Re: Slow start up time of runtime (correction: Windows real-time protection)

2018-03-21 Thread Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Wednesday, 21 March 2018 at 13:26:48 UTC, HeiHon wrote:
In Windows Security Center Settings (where you can disable 
realtime scan) there is also an entry "Exclusions" (in german 
windows "Ausschlüsse").
I added exclusions for the folder, where I installed dmd and 
ldc and I added an exclusion for the folder, where I compile my 
D programs. Now startup of dmd and freshly compiled programs is 
fast again.


Awesome tip!


Re: Slow start up time of runtime (correction: Windows real-time protection)

2018-03-21 Thread Dennis via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Wednesday, 21 March 2018 at 13:26:48 UTC, HeiHon wrote:
I added exclusions for the folder, where I installed dmd and 
ldc and I added an exclusion for the folder, where I compile my 
D programs. Now startup of dmd and freshly compiled programs is 
fast again.


I've done this too now, thanks for the tip!


Re: Slow start up time of runtime (correction: Windows real-time protection)

2018-03-21 Thread HeiHon via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 at 16:56:59 UTC, Dennis wrote:

On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 at 12:18:16 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 at 09:44:41 UTC, Dennis wrote:
This now leaves the question what's the best way to mitigate 
this, because I would gladly get rid of the second of delay any 
time I invoke dmd, ldc or dub as well as my own applications.


In Windows Security Center Settings (where you can disable 
realtime scan) there is also an entry "Exclusions" (in german 
windows "Ausschlüsse").
I added exclusions for the folder, where I installed dmd and ldc 
and I added an exclusion for the folder, where I compile my D 
programs. Now startup of dmd and freshly compiled programs is 
fast again.




Re: Slow start up time of runtime (correction: Windows real-time protection)

2018-03-20 Thread rumbu via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 at 16:56:59 UTC, Dennis wrote:

On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 at 12:18:16 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 at 09:44:41 UTC, Dennis wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the Windows antivirus hitting you. D 
runtime starts up in a tiny fraction of a second, you 
shouldn't be noticing it.


You're totally right, disabling real-time protection makes a 
massive difference. I always found a second exceptionally long 
for a runtime to initialize, but I couldn't think of any other 
differences between a simple dmd-compiled program and a simple 
dmc-compiled program.


On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 at 12:18:16 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
 I betcha you'll see this delay (and a similar one on dmd 
itself, your compiles could be running at half-speed with this 
too)


Definitely. I've tested how long tools take to simply print 
their help text: for the first time with virus scan, second 
time with virus scan and without any real-time protection. D 
tools seem to get the longest delay.


First   Second  No protection (miliseconds)
dmc 84  52  16
dmd 2400120024
dub 2300110025
ldc 4500180 30
gcc 240 100 18


On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 at 12:18:16 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
I don't know why the antivirus picks on D so much, but on my 
box it does and it sounds like it is on yours too. BTW that 
real time check box likes to keep turning itself on... so the 
slowness will keep coming back.


Typical Windows... It keeps turning on the Windows update 
service too.


This now leaves the question what's the best way to mitigate 
this, because I would gladly get rid of the second of delay any 
time I invoke dmd, ldc or dub as well as my own applications.


I cannot guarantee that this is the cause, but I observed that 
Bitdefender is very picky with Intel OMF format. I made a lot of 
complaints about this (it was impossible to debug a intel omf 
compiled exe with Bitdefender installed and the advice received 
from Bitdefender was to compile my executables in mscoff format. 
That's how my problem disappeared. Windows Defender incorporated 
last year Bitdefender scanning technology, maybe this is an 
explanation.


Re: Slow start up time of runtime (correction: Windows real-time protection)

2018-03-20 Thread Dennis via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 at 12:18:16 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 at 09:44:41 UTC, Dennis wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the Windows antivirus hitting you. D 
runtime starts up in a tiny fraction of a second, you shouldn't 
be noticing it.


You're totally right, disabling real-time protection makes a 
massive difference. I always found a second exceptionally long 
for a runtime to initialize, but I couldn't think of any other 
differences between a simple dmd-compiled program and a simple 
dmc-compiled program.


On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 at 12:18:16 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
 I betcha you'll see this delay (and a similar one on dmd 
itself, your compiles could be running at half-speed with this 
too)


Definitely. I've tested how long tools take to simply print their 
help text: for the first time with virus scan, second time with 
virus scan and without any real-time protection. D tools seem to 
get the longest delay.


First   Second  No protection (miliseconds)
dmc 84  52  16
dmd 2400120024
dub 2300110025
ldc 4500180 30
gcc 240 100 18


On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 at 12:18:16 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
I don't know why the antivirus picks on D so much, but on my 
box it does and it sounds like it is on yours too. BTW that 
real time check box likes to keep turning itself on... so the 
slowness will keep coming back.


Typical Windows... It keeps turning on the Windows update service 
too.


This now leaves the question what's the best way to mitigate 
this, because I would gladly get rid of the second of delay any 
time I invoke dmd, ldc or dub as well as my own applications.