Re: [digitalradio] finding someone to have a qso with

2009-04-24 Thread Rick W
I always assumed that it had a lot to do with the amount of activity vs. 
finding someone. CW or other operators wanting to make a specific 
contact on a band or location, such as for an award, need some way to 
find a similar operator.

There is a smaller subset of digital hams and those digital hams mostly 
use PSK31. They only have need for extra help if they want to go beyond 
PSK31 and work less commonly used modes or for awards perhaps?

No matter how much we have tried to promote the newer modes, some of 
which have special attributes such as being far more robust than PSK31, 
have ARQ capability that is not available to keyboard chat modes, etc., 
the reaction I have personally gotten from other hams is that PSK31 is 
good enough and when it doesn't work, they do other things.

As a recent example, a ham from a nearby community is was introduced as 
the digital expert so I was very interested in seeing if he would be 
interested in working some of the new modes, especially because a large 
focus of his group was with public service communication. I was quite 
surprised when he seemed almost annoyed with me for even suggesting that 
any other digital modes exist than PSK31 or should even be used on the 
ham bands.

Since most digital hams use only PSK31, and there are well known 
watering hole frequencies on the popular bands, they never need any help 
with internet coordination. If a given band is open, they can almost 
always find someone.

By the way, what is the LOTW group intended to be used for?

73,

Rick, KV9U


Andrew O'Brien wrote:
 -My sentiments exactly Bob.  I have tried and tried over the years and cannot 
 figure out why the digital part of the K3UK Sked  page is not used more.  As 
 you know, the SKCC and LOTW K3UK Sked pages are used constantly.  The irony 
 is that the SKCC and LOTW pages were established as after thoughts, the 
 digitalradio sked page was my first goal and the initial  design code was 
 provided gratis by a member of this group N8FQ.

 Another irony is that the LOTW page that you suggested is quite often the 
 group that spurs people to try digital modes like Feld Held for the first 
 time.  There are more digital mode skeds made via the LOTW page than the 
 digitalradio sked page.

 Andy K3UK

   



[digitalradio] Olivia

2009-04-24 Thread B. A. Thunman
   wahat happened toOlivia?  I hear nobody on 14106 anymore . . .
W8ISG/Bo


B. A. Thunman
w8...@mindspring.com
EarthLink Revolves Around You.




[digitalradio] Olivia

2009-04-24 Thread B. A. Thunman
   What happened to Olivia???  I hear nobody on 14106.5 anymore . . . 


B. A. Thunman
w8...@mindspring.com
EarthLink Revolves Around You.




[digitalradio] Re: finding someone to have a qso with

2009-04-24 Thread Andrew O'Brien
--someone.
 
 By the way, what is the LOTW group intended to be used for?
 
 73,
 
 Rick, KV9U
 


Rick, I intended it to be used for any LOTW sked pursuits but it is REALLY 
popular because of the Triple Play LOTW award.  LOTS of fun.

Andy K3UK



[digitalradio] Re: Old MFJ 1272B TNC/Mic switch circuit or manual?

2009-04-24 Thread Al Woodhull
Dave's help was just what I needed, my thanks to others who
responded. As it happened I had disassembled the unit to take
pictures of both the bottom and top of the circuit board to help
me try to regenerate a schematic, so I was ready to send a picture
immediately upon reading Dave's reply.

73, Al N1AW
Amherst, MA

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave wej ve3...@... wrote:

 I have several types here, can you email a picture of the inside for me
 
 Dave Garber
 VE3WEJ/VE3IE ve3...@... 
 
 
   - Original Message - 
   From: Al Woodhull 
   To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:30 PM
   Subject: [digitalradio] Old MFJ 1272B TNC/Mic switch circuit or manual?

   I have an old MFJ 1272B that I bought at a flea market. There have
   evidently been major changes in the design of units sold under this
   model number over the years. The manual that is currently available
   on the MFJ website is not useful for my older one. 
...




[digitalradio] psk31 frequency

2009-04-24 Thread ve3wej
Whatever happened to the psk being at **070.15 usb on 20 meters, etc i see 
the dx spots all over the place 71 72 73, usb lsb

i know with the sound card, clicking on the vertical mark is easy, but it seems 
that the original way was to be at 14070.15, and select the hz freq. then you 
could spot at the hz freq and everyone would be at the same freq

just wondering

Dave ve3wej/ve3ie





Re: [digitalradio] psk31 frequency

2009-04-24 Thread Andy obrien
I think that the PSK part of 20M is so crowded these days that people
spread out.  They also do not want to be on 14070.15 and be too far
out on the extremes of their rig's passband since it impacts the
efficiency of the signal

Andy K3UK

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:06 PM, ve3wej ve3...@gmail.com wrote:


 Whatever happened to the psk being at **070.15 usb on 20 meters, etc i
 see the dx spots all over the place 71 72 73, usb lsb

 i know with the sound card, clicking on the vertical mark is easy, but it
 seems that the original way was to be at 14070.15, and select the hz freq.
 then you could spot at the hz freq and everyone would be at the same freq

 just wondering



[digitalradio] 5 digital modes you need, the only 5.

2009-04-24 Thread Andrew O'Brien
With the varying discussions about the performance of specific modes , and the 
comments about lack of activity for some modes, I present the following list of 
5 modes the digital mode ham should have...and probably all you really need.

1. PSK31 (and other variants up to PSK250) , plenty of activities both brief 
and rag chew  , activity 24 hours per day. Use PSKmail to send email if you 
wish.  Consider QPSK for tougher conditions . ARQ PSK available in FL-digi for 
emcomm work (available for free via Winwarbler. FL-Digi , DM780, Multipsk, 
Pocket PSK and MMVARI.

2. RTTY still DX to be had via this mode and contesting if you like contests 
((available for free via Winwarbler, FL-Digi , DM780, Multipsk, MMTTY, and 
MMVARI.


3. JT65A.  If low power DXing is you thing, this is your mode.  Brief exchanges 
of signal reports and location, no conversation mode (available for free via 
WSJT, Multipsk, and soon to be released JT65-HF)

4. Olivia , weak signal capable plus keyboard conversations.Wide and narrow 
versions to vary with conditions ((available for free via  FL-Digi , DM780, 
Multipsk, )


5. Feld Hell.  Good speed, surprising robust, a fair amount of activity, easier 
on your duty cycle that other modes, not good after a couple of beers.  
((available for free via  FL-Digi , DM780, Multipsk )


That's it, all you need.  Yes, I left out MFSK16 despite it being a good mode.  
It is too fusy at times and most things you can do with MFSK16 ,you can do 
with an Olivia variant.  MT63 is effective but just too much of a bandwidth 
hog, hardly any activity.  If you don't want the super robust brief exchanges 
of JT65A, you could substitute DominoEX but you could go a week without hearing 
anyone else.  MFTT at quarter speed seems useful, has promise.

I won't count ALE as a specific mode but will still argue that all hams 
should be ALE capable.  Still a great concept. Pactor..well great at P3 but 
costs too many Euros.  The rest can be great fun, but if you want just five, 
the above are what you need.

Andy K3UK



Re: [digitalradio] 5 digital modes you need, the only 5.

2009-04-24 Thread Sholto Fisher
Don't forget CW the first digital mode :)

I know...I know...

Sholto
K7TMG


Re: [digitalradio] 5 digital modes you need, the only 5.

2009-04-24 Thread David
Hi yes Sholto some forget about that one
digital ...on and off with a key...
have to use Digits to make it work
on either Key ..Keyer or Keyboard

Hi Hi

73 David VK4BDJ


Sholto Fisher wrote:


 Don't forget CW the first digital mode :)

 I know...I know...

 Sholto
 K7TMG

 



Re: [digitalradio] 5 digital modes you need, the only 5.

2009-04-24 Thread Sholto Fisher
It's still a fun mode to use.

I've wondered perhaps if someone couldn't invent a 21st century Morse, 
perhaps using ternary psk, the 3rd phase being the gap in the chars?

It might even be possible to still send it by hand with an interface but 
you'd obviously need a computer for decoding.

73

Sholto.


David wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi yes Sholto some forget about that one
 digital ...on and off with a key...
 have to use Digits to make it work
 on either Key ..Keyer or Keyboard
 
 Hi Hi
 
 73 David VK4BDJ
 
 Sholto Fisher wrote:
  
  
   Don't forget CW the first digital mode :)
  
   I know...I know...
  
   Sholto
   K7TMG
  
  
 
 


Re: [digitalradio] 5 digital modes you need, the only 5.

2009-04-24 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Hi Andy

What about ALE400 ARQ ? It is  great  for those who need a robust arq mode.

73 de LA5VA Steinar




Andrew O'Brien wrote:
 With the varying discussions about the performance of specific modes , and 
 the comments about lack of activity for some modes, I present the following 
 list of 5 modes the digital mode ham should have...and probably all you 
 really need.

 1. PSK31 (and other variants up to PSK250) , plenty of activities both brief 
 and rag chew  , activity 24 hours per day. Use PSKmail to send email if you 
 wish.  Consider QPSK for tougher conditions . ARQ PSK available in FL-digi 
 for emcomm work (available for free via Winwarbler. FL-Digi , DM780, 
 Multipsk, Pocket PSK and MMVARI.

 2. RTTY still DX to be had via this mode and contesting if you like contests 
 ((available for free via Winwarbler, FL-Digi , DM780, Multipsk, MMTTY, and 
 MMVARI.


 3. JT65A.  If low power DXing is you thing, this is your mode.  Brief 
 exchanges of signal reports and location, no conversation mode (available 
 for free via WSJT, Multipsk, and soon to be released JT65-HF)

 4. Olivia , weak signal capable plus keyboard conversations.Wide and narrow 
 versions to vary with conditions ((available for free via  FL-Digi , DM780, 
 Multipsk, )


 5. Feld Hell.  Good speed, surprising robust, a fair amount of activity, 
 easier on your duty cycle that other modes, not good after a couple of beers. 
  ((available for free via  FL-Digi , DM780, Multipsk )


 That's it, all you need.  Yes, I left out MFSK16 despite it being a good 
 mode.  It is too fusy at times and most things you can do with MFSK16 ,you 
 can do with an Olivia variant.  MT63 is effective but just too much of a 
 bandwidth hog, hardly any activity.  If you don't want the super robust brief 
 exchanges of JT65A, you could substitute DominoEX but you could go a week 
 without hearing anyone else.  MFTT at quarter speed seems useful, has promise.

 I won't count ALE as a specific mode but will still argue that all hams 
 should be ALE capable.  Still a great concept. Pactor..well great at P3 but 
 costs too many Euros.  The rest can be great fun, but if you want just five, 
 the above are what you need.

 Andy K3UK