RE: [digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

I normally just lurk on this list, but I wanted to jump in and make an 
important clarification.
 
>Mr. Dan Henderson is a paid lawyer ( unusual for ARRL officials )
>Enough said here. He is a liaison person for among other organizations, the 
>FCC.
>He communicates, does not ask questions

Dan Henderson, N1ND, is not employed at ARRL Headquarters as an attorney. He is 
our Regulatory Branch Manager, not an "official." (Officials are ARRL corporate 
officers and Division Directors.) Dan only represents the ARRL in his work, not 
other organizations.
 
You are probably confusing Dan with Chris Imlay, the ARRL General Counsel. 
Chris *is* an attorney and represents the ARRL in that capacity before the FCC 
and in other matters.
 
73 . . . 
 
Steve Ford, WB8IMY
ARRL

 


From: Rein A [mailto:rein...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Mon 7/12/2010 6:00 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum


  



Hi Skip,

I like to see this ruling revisited by technical personal
within the FCC. The FCC, not ARRL. That's all.

Mr. Dan Henderson is a paid lawyer ( unusual for ARRL officials )
Enough said here. He is a liaison person for among other organizations, the FCC.
He communicates, does not ask questions

I do not think and did not think the day it was made, it was
done by the right person(s). What is "Is is up to the people etc
we don't rule on the mode or its content/operation?"

You and others here promoted the decision as in concrete. I think
you and others like it to be so ( just an opinion )

All the stupidity of Jose and now this cluster thing make
revisiting harder and harder, if not impossible indeed.

If the few of us here who are interested to use ROS had been
united and not scared by the please lets move on crowd we could
have been able to at least reconsider the situation.

Therefore we all should force Jose to fix this and the users 
outside the US should stop using it. Of course they are mot reading
this or even part from this group.

Clear and simple

73 Rein W6SZ

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com  , 
KH6TY  wrote:
>
> It was not my idea. The author wanted the FCC to say it was not spread 
> spectrum. Unfortunately for all of us in the US, it is spread spectrum, 
> and the FCC rules do not allow that below 222 MHz.
> 
> I am not potentially damaging the hobby as a whole, just posting what I 
> know.
> 
> Go ahead and use ROS if you think you will be legal! You will do more 
> damage to the hobby than anyone who refuses to use it, by flaunting the 
> regulations.
> 
> 73, Skip KH6TY.
> 
> On 7/12/2010 1:52 PM, W2XJ wrote:
> >
> > Why do you persist in getting the FCC involved? You are potentially 
> > damaging the hobby as a whole. If one is qualified to hold a license 
> > the FCC presumes ones ability to determine what operations are legal.
> >
> >
> > On 7/12/10 1:28 PM, "KH6TY" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lester,
> > The "inventor" has shown over and over that he is not to be
> > trusted, and so his block diagram would not be believed either. I
> > suggested months ago to him to just send his code in confidence to
> > the FCC, which they would keep private, and be done with it. He
> > replied that, arrogantly, "The FCC would have to purchase the code
> > from him". To me, that suggests that he is unwilling to disclose
> > the code because it would prove once and for all that it was
> > spread spectrum, and instead, he tried to bluff his way to
> > approval, even by changing his original description of the code as
> > spread spectrum, which obviously did not work.
> >
> > ROS's best advantage, IMHO, is for EME, and it is legal there for
> > US hams for 432 and 1296 EME. I only wish it were legal on 2M also
> > and I could use it for EME on that band.
> >
> > Yes, it should be open-source, and that would end the discussion,
> > but he has (for perhaps devious or commercial) personal reasons
> > for refusing to do so.
> >
> > That is just not going to happen, so let's end the discussion on
> > that note and get on the air instead!
> >
> > 73, Skip KH6TY
> >
> > On 7/12/2010 1:14 PM, Lester Veenstra wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Skip:
> >
> > Spectral analysis cannot differentiate between a high
> > rate FEC operating after, as it invariably must, a randomizer,
> > and a true spread spectrum system. And a spread spectrum
> > system does not need to employ frequency hopping. And a signal
> > that "frequency hops" is not necessarily a spread spectrum
> > signal. I refer you to the old favorite of the UK Diplomatic
> > service, the Piccolo.
> >
> >
> >
> > As I advocated in an earlier post, the way to end this endless
> > discussion would be for the "inventor" to disclose the block
> > diagram of the various steps in his encoding/modulation
> > system. In fact I was rash enough to suggest that IMHO, all of
> > these systems being played with by hams, should be open
> > sourced, so t

[digitalradio] Final Call for Papers--2010 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 29th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 24-26,
2010 near Portland, Oregon. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2010. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: m...@arrl.org

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2010 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 29th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 24-26,
2010 in Portland, Oregon. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2010. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: m...@arrl.org.

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2010 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 29th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 24-26,
2010 in Portland, Oregon. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2010. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: m...@arrl.org

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2010 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 29th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 24-26,
2010 near Portland, Oregon. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2010. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: m...@arrl.org

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2010 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 29th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 24-26,
2010 in Portland, Oregon. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2010. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: m...@arrl.org

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Use the *$%#ing RS ID!/QST article

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

I'd definitely be interested, Andy.

 

 

73 . . . Steve Ford, WB8IMY

QST Editor/Publications Manager

ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio

225 Main Street

Newington CT 06111-1494

Telephone: 860-594-0200

Fax: 860-594-0259

email:sf...@arrl.org

 

 

 

From: Andy obrien [mailto:k3uka...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:03 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Cc: wb8...@arrl.net
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Use the *$%#ing RS ID!/QST article

 






Steve Ford from ARLL/QST is on this list. Maybe it is something he
can fit in to an edition. I can work with him if he is interested .

Andy K3UK

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Vojtech Bubnikmailto:bubnikv%40seznam.cz> > wrote:
>
>
> Who voluteers to write an article for QST? This is exactly the
publicity
> this tool needs.
> 73, Vojtech OK1IAK
>

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2009 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 28th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 25-27,
2009 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2009. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: m...@arrl.org

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2009 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 28th Annual ARRL and 
TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 25-27, 2009 in 
Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the Conference 
Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have your paper 
included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July 31, 2009. Please 
send papers to:

Maty Weinberg 
ARRL 
225 Main St 
Newington, CT 06111 

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: m...@arrl.org 

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain all 
rights. 

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY 
ARRL 

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2009 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 28th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 25-27,
2009 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2009. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: m...@arrl.org

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2009 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 28th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 25-27,
2009 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2009. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: m...@arrl.org

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 27th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 26-28,
2008 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 27th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 26-28,
2008 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 27th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 26-28,
2008 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2008. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 27th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 26-28,
2008 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2008. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

RE: [digitalradio] Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Yes, they will be available for purchase after the conference.
 
73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
 



From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com on behalf of W2ZEY
Sent: Sun 6/1/2008 12:06 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital 
Communications Conference



Steve,

Apologies for the belated reply to your post - been busy here with the recent 
Rochester Hamfest.  Will the Proceedings of the conference be available for 
purchase by those who cannot attend?  Thanks.

 

73, Larry / W2ZEY

 



From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ford, 
Steve, WB8IMY
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:32 AM
To: RTTY Reflector; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications 
Conference

 

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 27th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 26-28,
2008 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2008. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:maty%40arrl.org> 

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL 

 

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 27th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 26-28,
2008 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2008. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 27th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 26-28,
2008 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2008. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 27th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 26-28,
2008 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2008. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2007 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

  
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 26th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 28-30,
2007 in Hartford, Connecticut. These papers will also be published in
the Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to
have your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is
July 31, 2007. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2007 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

  
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 26th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 28-30,
2007 in Hartford, Connecticut. These papers will also be published in
the Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to
have your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is
July 31, 2007. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] RE: Call for Papers--2007 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

  
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 26th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 28-30,
2007 in Hartford, Connecticut. These papers will also be published in
the Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to
have your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is
July 31, 2007. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2007 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

 
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 26th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 28-30,
2007 in Hartford, Connecticut. These papers will also be published in
the Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to
have your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is
July 31, 2007. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2007 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

  
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 26th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 28-30,
2007 in Hartford, Connecticut. These papers will also be published in
the Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to
have your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is
July 31, 2007. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2007 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

  
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 26th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 28-30,
2007 in Hartford, Connecticut. These papers will also be published in
the Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to
have your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is
July 31, 2007. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2007 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

 
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 26th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 28-30,
2007 in Hartford, Connecticut. These papers will also be published in
the Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to
have your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is
July 31, 2007. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

RE: [digitalradio] FSK versus AFSK in BARTG ??????

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Andy:
 
I'm willing to bet that your FSK tones were inverted.
 
I own a TS-2000 and the same thing happened to me just yesterday, with a bit of 
a twist. My TS-2000 had been working just fine in FSK. On Friday I installed a 
new motherboard in the station computer. When I attempted to work BARTG, I 
duplicated your experience--no one would answer me.
 
Turns out that the COM port in the new motherboard was communicating with my 
FSK interface in a different fashion and the result in the TS-2000 was inverted 
FSK tones. The solution is to access MENU 39 in the TS-2000 and select 
"INVERSE."
 
Also, the bands really were terrible.
 
73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
 



From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Andrew O'Brien
Sent: Sat 3/17/2007 11:25 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [digitalradio] FSK versus AFSK in BARTG ??



After several years of doing RTTY via AFSK, I thought I would use the
BARTG RTTY contest this weekend to practice my FSK "skills" with the
new radio.

I was surprised that I was not being heard so well. I know the band
is fairly poor but stations that I could hear fairly well would not
respond to me, they often called CQ CQ after I called them. My
antenna situation is not the best but I am used to being heard after a
few tries. I did work some stations but much less than I am used to,
I tried 40, 80 and 20M.

Tonight, I tried again...just trying a few east coast stations, none
were running pile-ups. Same result. many endlessly calling CQ and
apparently not hearing my 100 watts of FSK.

So, I switched to sound card AFSK and gave a call, first attempt the
station came back to me. Another station then answered me on the
second attempt. I switched back to FSK on the same band and antenna
and very few responded.

I'm new to FSK operations, is there something fundamental that I am
missing? I am making sure I am transmitting on the same freq as I am
receiving. I have made sure I have high tone selected properly. I
set FSK for 100 watts with moderate amount of ALC showing. I set AFSK
for 70 watts and NO ALC.

It may still be just band conditions but I am wondering...

-- 
Andy K3UK
Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73
www.obriensweb.com


 

[digitalradio] RE: Call for Papers--2007 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

  
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 26th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 28-30,
2007 in Hartford, Connecticut. These papers will also be published in
the Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to
have your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is
July 31, 2007. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2007 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

 
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 26th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 28-30,
2007 in Hartford, Connecticut. These papers will also be published in
the Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to
have your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is
July 31, 2007. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL

[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2006 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

 
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 25th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 15-17,
2006 in Tucson, Arizona. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2006. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
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Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
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[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2006 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

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Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 25th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 15-17,
2006 in Tucson, Arizona. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
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[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2006 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

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Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 25th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 15-17,
2006 in Tucson, Arizona. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
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[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2006 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

 
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 25th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 15-17,
2006 in Tucson, Arizona. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2006. Please send papers to:

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ARRL
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[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2006 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Title: RE: Call for Papers--2006 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference








Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 
25th Annual ARRL and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 
15-17, 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. These papers will also be published in the 
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have your 
paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July 31, 2006. 
Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg ARRL 225 Main St Newington, CT 06111 
or you can make your submission via e-mail to: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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retain all rights. 
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[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2006 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

 
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 25th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 15-17,
2006 in Tucson, Arizona. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2006. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
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[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2006 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

 
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 25th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 15-17,
2006 in Tucson, Arizona. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2006. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
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[digitalradio] RE: Call for Papers--2006 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

 
Correction to announcement below. Submission deadline is July 31, 2006.

73 . . .  Steve, WB8IMY


-Original Message-
From: Ford, Steve, WB8IMY 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:07 AM
To: 'RTTY Reflector'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]';
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'digitalradio@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: Call for Papers--2006 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications
Conference

 
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 25th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 15-17,
2006 in Tucson, Arizona. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2005. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL





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[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2006 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

 
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 25th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 15-17,
2006 in Tucson, Arizona. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2005. Please send papers to:

Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111

or you can make your submission via e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL





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[digitalradio] PAX Information?

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Title: Re: [digitalradio] Bandwidth-Based FCC Rules for USA








Can anyone point me to a location for more information 
about the PAX mode? Protocol details? A description of how it works, 
etc?
 
Thanks!
 
73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
 







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[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2005 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

 
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 24th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 23-25,
2005 in Santa Ana, California, and for publication in the Conference
Proceedings. Presentation at the conference is NOT required for
publication. Submission of papers are due by August 9th, 2005 and should
be submitted to

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[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2005 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

 

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 24th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 23-25,
2005 in Santa Ana, California, and for publication in the Conference
Proceedings. Presentation at the conference is NOT required for
publication. Submission of papers are due by August 9th, 2005 and should
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[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2005 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 24th Annual ARRL and 
TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 23-25, 2005 in 
Santa Ana, California, and for publication in the Conference Proceedings. 
Presentation at the conference is NOT required for publication. Submission of 
papers are due by August 9th, 2005 and should be submitted to

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[digitalradio] RE: Call for Papers--2005 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 24th Annual ARRL and 
TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 23-25, 2005 in 
Santa Ana, California, and for publication in the Conference Proceedings. 
Presentation at the conference is NOT required for publication. Papers must be 
submitted by August 9th, 2005 and should be sent to

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[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2005 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 24th Annual ARRL and 
TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 23-25, 2005 in 
Santa Ana, California, and for publication in the Conference Proceedings. 
Presentation at the conference is NOT required for publication. Papers are due 
by August 9th, 2005 and should be submitted to:

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[digitalradio] Call for Papers--2005 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 24th Annual ARRL and 
TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 23-25, 2005 in 
Santa Ana, California, and for publication in the Conference Proceedings. 
Presentation at the conference is NOT required for publication. Submission of 
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RE: [digitalradio] Olivia

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The FCC requires all digital modes to be publicly documented before they can be 
considered "valid:"
 
 97.309(a)(4) 

An amateur station transmitting a RTTY or data emission using a digital 
code specified in this paragraph may use any technique whose technical 
characteristics have been documented publicly, such as CLOVER, G-TOR, or 
PacTOR, for the purpose of facilitating communications.

Documentation should be adequate to (a) recognize the technique or 
protocol when observed on the air, (b) determine call signs of stations in 
communication and read the content of the transmissions.

 

After some discussion with Riley Hollingsworth, the League created a 
page on the ARRLWeb for exactly this purpose. You'll find it at:

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/techchar/

 

We don't have a description of Olivia posted at the moment, but if we 
receive one that satisfies the requirements, I'll make sure it is posted right 
away.

Of course, a description doesn't have to be posted on the ARRLWeb to be 
valid. We created the page to make it easy for the amateur community and the 
FCC to quickly find and access descriptions (a kind of "central library").

73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY

 

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sat 2/5/2005 4:46 PM 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Olivia




How can Olivia be not valid? Are you sure they have not overreacted? 
What
rule violation did they claim?

My understanding is that new modes are permitted as long as they follow 
the
rules and have the mode "published." The specification of Olivia are 
rather
the same as MFSK16 are they not? How can MFSK16 or for that matter other
digital modes be OK if Olivia is not OK?

Finally, this brings up an interesting point. If it is really true that
Olivia is not valid, and the only reason that I can think of why this 
would
be true is that the specifications are not published adequately, how can
Pactor II and Pactor III be permitted to operate when the 
specifications are
not only not published, but there is no way to even monitor the
transmissions without a proprietary device to provide self policing?

The MixW picture issue was a interpretation of the rules whereby 
something
that is turned into digital data is an "image," based upon its initial 
form
being an image. You are right, this must not stand.

What rule violation did the FCC claim?

Have you considered advising your ARRL Division Director of this 
situation?

Finally, Steve Ford, WB8IMY, has posted to this group and will surely 
take
notice of it. Perhaps he can help clarify things. Since you could say he
wrote the book on amateur radio digital:)

73,

Rick, KV9U




-Original Message-
From: ronchap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 2:35 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Olivia



Don't worry about Olivia anymore here in US at least.
The mode is not valid at this time. I'm afraid It's going the way of 
MIXW
Narrow band pictures,.
I received a  Cease and Desist Letter from the regional office to stop
transmitting both Olivia and WinDRM.
My call has been forwarded to the FCC for using Invalid modes.

So much for DRM and Olivia.
Maybe this time next year changes to the rules will be made.


Baclk to MFSK16.  Olivia was fun while she lasted.







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[digitalradio] OLIVIA WAV File?

[Ford, Steve, WB8IMY]

Does anyone have a WAV file of a typical Olivia transmission that you'd care to 
share? I'm looking for one for a PowerPoint presentation.

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