Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
On 06/02/2010 12:15 PM, Steinar Aanesland wrote: let's forget about this Mr. Ros without manners and his new a Yahoo list. There is a lot of decent programmers out there, making excellent HAM software. Mr. Ros is not worth the attention he and he's frequency-hopping spread spectrum software is getting. Mr Ros has the right to: - limit who uses his software - keep the ROS protocol info secret - limit who is allowed in his community Of course, either of these three modes alone is a serious deterrent to adoption of his modes by the ham radio community. All three together are a death knell. However, that is his choice. -- All rights reversed.
Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
Rein Really don't know what to say at this point. Still trying to understand why my call was added to the list of calls not able to use the ROS program. But since Jose will not say I'll just move on to things other then ROS. But I'm not the only one that this has happen to. No big deal I have gotten over it long ago. Now I'm just guessing but I think he may have misunderstood something I may have said in a post. Really not sure for the reason but since he is not talking about it I guess anyone of us that have been banned from using the program will never know. It all started when he posted a update to his program and then I found out that I could no longer us it. Like others. But I still have one of the first versions on a memory stick that I could use on the other computer if needed. Seems he is the *only* one that's knows and at this time is not saying. So be it - I got over it long ago. John, W0JAB
Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
Hello John, At the risk of being banned for live from this list readers might and I am interested in the details of this situation. I got the impression from your message that you had some contacts with Mr ROS on facebook/twitter? Now, I seems you are saying that you are banned/prevented from using ROS software! Are you sure it is not an installation problem of some kind? Mr, ROS had on web site yesterday I believe, a note about hour H and the day D that things were going to happen, with the users of ROS, their computer(s), the functionality of the program? It seems MR Ros has distributed actions in earlier released versions and that these will be activated at H and D. BTW, seriously John, I am not making this up. Not only that, have been warned about this sort of actions in the past by respected Mature radio amateurs, off the list. And would not believe it! You can also contact me of the list or you and others, interested in ROS questions, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosmodemusa/?yguid=1448749 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jun 2, 2010 3:25 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Rein Really don't know what to say at this point. Still trying to understand why my call was added to the list of calls not able to use the ROS program. But since Jose will not say I'll just move on to things other then ROS. But I'm not the only one that this has happen to. No big deal I have gotten over it long ago. Now I'm just guessing but I think he may have misunderstood something I may have said in a post. Really not sure for the reason but since he is not talking about it I guess anyone of us that have been banned from using the program will never know. It all started when he posted a update to his program and then I found out that I could no longer us it. Like others. But I still have one of the first versions on a memory stick that I could use on the other computer if needed. Seems he is the *only* one that's knows and at this time is not saying. So be it - I got over it long ago. John, W0JAB http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
Hi Rein let's forget about this Mr. Ros without manners and his new a Yahoo list. There is a lot of decent programmers out there, making excellent HAM software. Mr. Ros is not worth the attention he and he's frequency-hopping spread spectrum software is getting. 73 de LA5VNA Steinar On 02.06.2010 01:38, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Hello John, Please tell me what do you mean? Yahoo list(s)? It is very easy to get of a Yahoo list. ( I think and hope. ) Have changed the some 25 lists I am on often, delivery format etc. Also have never experienced this dictatorial action on a Yahoo List so far. As far as Mr. Ros is concerned there was a time not long ago, that I tried to defend him, Thought, he was misunderstood even when attacking good decent amateurs. Thought it was the language. Offered to skype with him. English is not my native Language. I have a flexible EU English skill and under stand English with a French, Swedish, German, Dutch, accent, you name it no problem. Others did warn me, but the idiot I am, did not believe them. So developed a pretty strong skin by now. Where did this happen Facebook? Well you ask Mr. Ros a question he does not like or gets to close to the bone, you get it. Verbal, lawyers, Interpol I was warned by a very nice Cuban professor, I don't know on what terms he is or was with Mr. Fidel Castro, before he stepped down. This professor speaks Spanish probably a few more languages and very good English, I do not, unfortunately, but that might have been the reason for me to be that slow in understanding all this. Right from the beginning, I warned Mr Ros about the IARU beacons on 14.100 kHz. Reason for the first conflict situations with Mr ROS. Long before the many of the present ROS users were aware of Mr. ROS A Mr. Ros has no manners whatever. B Mr. Ros has not even the most basic skills of dealing with people. C Mr. Ros has no idea, what amateur radio is ( no big deal really ) D Mr. Ros might not be straight with the users of his program. The way Mr. Ros behaves indicates to me that he has other interests than providing a program, being it very nice, free to the amateur radio community. Users might not care about that angle, I do not either as a matter of fact but I think it might explain things. Without a doubt we all will get to learn this over time. I have been trying to help us ( US amateurs ) in using ROS Modem. If Mr ROS had any concern in this regard, he would fix the problem and write a paper that we could present to our licensing agency. Mr ROS woud have trouble talking to that agency. Telling us that he had been in touch with that agency Thanks for your comments and nice words, John. I know it is so boring and OT. ( And Dave (G0DJA ) is your spam bin sufficient empty ) 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jun 1, 2010 6:51 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Rein Don't take it personal. For some reason even I got on his bad list. I did ask but never got an answer. Not sure but I think someone has been feeding bad info to him. Think he was told that I has said something that I really did not or it was misunderstood. John, W0JAB http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
Dear Steinar, Very true. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Sent: Jun 2, 2010 4:15 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Hi Rein let's forget about this Mr. Ros without manners and his new a Yahoo list. There is a lot of decent programmers out there, making excellent HAM software. Mr. Ros is not worth the attention he and he's frequency-hopping spread spectrum software is getting. 73 de LA5VNA Steinar On 02.06.2010 01:38, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Hello John, Please tell me what do you mean? Yahoo list(s)? It is very easy to get of a Yahoo list. ( I think and hope. ) Have changed the some 25 lists I am on often, delivery format etc. Also have never experienced this dictatorial action on a Yahoo List so far. As far as Mr. Ros is concerned there was a time not long ago, that I tried to defend him, Thought, he was misunderstood even when attacking good decent amateurs. Thought it was the language. Offered to skype with him. English is not my native Language. I have a flexible EU English skill and under stand English with a French, Swedish, German, Dutch, accent, you name it no problem. Others did warn me, but the idiot I am, did not believe them. So developed a pretty strong skin by now. Where did this happen Facebook? Well you ask Mr. Ros a question he does not like or gets to close to the bone, you get it. Verbal, lawyers, Interpol I was warned by a very nice Cuban professor, I don't know on what terms he is or was with Mr. Fidel Castro, before he stepped down. This professor speaks Spanish probably a few more languages and very good English, I do not, unfortunately, but that might have been the reason for me to be that slow in understanding all this. Right from the beginning, I warned Mr Ros about the IARU beacons on 14.100 kHz. Reason for the first conflict situations with Mr ROS. Long before the many of the present ROS users were aware of Mr. ROS A Mr. Ros has no manners whatever. B Mr. Ros has not even the most basic skills of dealing with people. C Mr. Ros has no idea, what amateur radio is ( no big deal really ) D Mr. Ros might not be straight with the users of his program. The way Mr. Ros behaves indicates to me that he has other interests than providing a program, being it very nice, free to the amateur radio community. Users might not care about that angle, I do not either as a matter of fact but I think it might explain things. Without a doubt we all will get to learn this over time. I have been trying to help us ( US amateurs ) in using ROS Modem. If Mr ROS had any concern in this regard, he would fix the problem and write a paper that we could present to our licensing agency. Mr ROS woud have trouble talking to that agency. Telling us that he had been in touch with that agency Thanks for your comments and nice words, John. I know it is so boring and OT. ( And Dave (G0DJA ) is your spam bin sufficient empty ) 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jun 1, 2010 6:51 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Rein Don't take it personal. For some reason even I got on his bad list. I did ask but never got an answer. Not sure but I think someone has been feeding bad info to him. Think he was told that I has said something that I really did not or it was misunderstood. John, W0JAB http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
No need to worry from being banned from this list from me. That's not my style of moderating. Yes I can no longer use ROS for some reason. I did ask but that went unanswered. All I know is that he posted a updated version and when ask for my call the program would shut down if I recall. Never did go back to it. But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine. What do you think? I think even Ray Charles could see that. Jose, if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to jump in here and make any needed corrections.
Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
- Original Message - But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine. What do you think? I think even Ray Charles could see that. Jose, if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to jump in here and make any needed corrections. I'd be surprised if your version were still compatible with the current version. Did you try making up a call and trying to put that in the program, just to make sure that it is your specific call that terminates the program and not any other random call? -- Dave AF6AS
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I think that is what I said below now in RED By my call I mean W0JAB At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote: - Original Message - But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine. What do you think? I think even Ray Charles could see that. Jose, if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to jump in here and make any needed corrections. I'd be surprised if your version were still compatible with the current version. Did you try making up a call and trying to put that in the program, just to make sure that it is your specific call that terminates the program and not any other random call? -- Dave AF6AS
Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
Oops, I missed that. What I *THOUGHT* you were saying is that you tried making a call (to a station with the current release) and succeeded. You might only be able to communicate with stations within a narrow range of release numbers near to the one you possess. I do think that demands for source code might be unnecessary, but IIRC a complete specification of the protocol is necessary. That's why PACTOR is legal. There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by the FCC (and the NSA). -- Dave - AF6AS - Original Message - From: John Becker, WØJAB To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP I think that is what I said below now in RED By my call I mean W0JAB At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote: - Original Message - But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine. What do you think? I think even Ray Charles could see that. Jose, if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to jump in here and make any needed corrections. I'd be surprised if your version were still compatible with the current version. Did you try making up a call and trying to put that in the program, just to make sure that it is your specific call that terminates the program and not any other random call? -- Dave AF6AS
Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
Hello Dave, AF6AS, IIRC what does it stand for? There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by the FCC (and the NSA). Is that documented somewhere, not that I want to question the statement or you. What about something like: Those need to be able to read/decode it under all circumstances 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Dave Sparks dspa...@pobox.com Sent: Jun 2, 2010 2:14 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Oops, I missed that. What I *THOUGHT* you were saying is that you tried making a call (to a station with the current release) and succeeded. You might only be able to communicate with stations within a narrow range of release numbers near to the one you possess. I do think that demands for source code might be unnecessary, but IIRC a complete specification of the protocol is necessary. That's why PACTOR is legal. There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by the FCC (and the NSA). -- Dave - AF6AS - Original Message - From: John Becker, WØJAB To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP I think that is what I said below now in RED By my call I mean W0JAB At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote: - Original Message - But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine. What do you think? I think even Ray Charles could see that. Jose, if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to jump in here and make any needed corrections. I'd be surprised if your version were still compatible with the current version. Did you try making up a call and trying to put that in the program, just to make sure that it is your specific call that terminates the program and not any other random call? -- Dave AF6AS
Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
IIRC = if I remember correctly. The documentation issue stemmed from someone who complained that PACTOR, and maybe other digital modes, could be considered codes or cyphers, and the FCC ruled that they weren't because they were publicly documented. The source code has not been released by SCS, however. A public spec would resolve the issue of whether ROS is SS or not. I can't locate a reference to this issue, but if no one else remembers it, I will do a more intensive search on the subject I'm still wondering how CHIP-64 seems to be allowed on HF by the FCC. It is admittedly Spread Spectrum. -- Dave - AF6AS -- From: rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Hello Dave, AF6AS, IIRC what does it stand for? There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by the FCC (and the NSA). Is that documented somewhere, not that I want to question the statement or you. What about something like: Those need to be able to read/decode it under all circumstances 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Dave Sparks dspa...@pobox.com Sent: Jun 2, 2010 2:14 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Oops, I missed that. What I *THOUGHT* you were saying is that you tried making a call (to a station with the current release) and succeeded. You might only be able to communicate with stations within a narrow range of release numbers near to the one you possess. I do think that demands for source code might be unnecessary, but IIRC a complete specification of the protocol is necessary. That's why PACTOR is legal. There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by the FCC (and the NSA). -- Dave - AF6AS - Original Message - From: John Becker, WØJAB To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP I think that is what I said below now in RED By my call I mean W0JAB At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote: - Original Message - But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine. What do you think? I think even Ray Charles could see that. Jose, if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to jump in here and make any needed corrections. I'd be surprised if your version were still compatible with the current version. Did you try making up a call and trying to put that in the program, just to make sure that it is your specific call that terminates the program and not any other random call? -- Dave AF6AS http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
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Hello Dave, Don't sse ypou much anymore on HF WSJT ,changes in antenna? OK and thanks. I contacted the people in VA and they replied right away. telling me that they had stopped the mode. as a result of this case and I believe a ruling / statement by ARRL ( probably only , no official FCC staements) Very hard to check what is true and false. The stop is TRUE though MT63 or 61 is in use with MARS But MT63 is no SS I believe (not published stepping patterns etc ) 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Dave Sparks dspa...@pobox.com Sent: Jun 2, 2010 4:27 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP IIRC = if I remember correctly. The documentation issue stemmed from someone who complained that PACTOR, and maybe other digital modes, could be considered codes or cyphers, and the FCC ruled that they weren't because they were publicly documented. The source code has not been released by SCS, however. A public spec would resolve the issue of whether ROS is SS or not. I can't locate a reference to this issue, but if no one else remembers it, I will do a more intensive search on the subject I'm still wondering how CHIP-64 seems to be allowed on HF by the FCC. It is admittedly Spread Spectrum. -- Dave - AF6AS -- From: rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Hello Dave, AF6AS, IIRC what does it stand for? There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by the FCC (and the NSA). Is that documented somewhere, not that I want to question the statement or you. What about something like: Those need to be able to read/decode it under all circumstances 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Dave Sparks dspa...@pobox.com Sent: Jun 2, 2010 2:14 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Oops, I missed that. What I *THOUGHT* you were saying is that you tried making a call (to a station with the current release) and succeeded. You might only be able to communicate with stations within a narrow range of release numbers near to the one you possess. I do think that demands for source code might be unnecessary, but IIRC a complete specification of the protocol is necessary. That's why PACTOR is legal. There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by the FCC (and the NSA). -- Dave - AF6AS - Original Message - From: John Becker, WØJAB To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP I think that is what I said below now in RED By my call I mean W0JAB At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote: - Original Message - But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine. What do you think? I think even Ray Charles could see that. Jose, if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to jump in here and make any needed corrections. I'd be surprised if your version were still compatible with the current version. Did you try making up a call and trying to put that in the program, just to make sure that it is your specific call that terminates the program and not any other random call? -- Dave AF6AS http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
Found the section. It is 97.309(a)(4) of the code: http://www.arrl.org/technical-characteristics The reverse-engineering part is an inference on my part. -- Dave Sparks AF6AS -- From: rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Hello Dave, AF6AS, IIRC what does it stand for? There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by the FCC (and the NSA). Is that documented somewhere, not that I want to question the statement or you. What about something like: Those need to be able to read/decode it under all circumstances 73 Rein W6SZ
Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
I have been experimenting with APRS-PSK63 lately. I'll probably get back to JT65 one of these days. I may even run ROS in beacon receive-only mode on occasion. -- Dave Sparks AF6AS -- From: rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:34 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Hello Dave, Don't sse ypou much anymore on HF WSJT ,changes in antenna? OK and thanks. I contacted the people in VA and they replied right away. telling me that they had stopped the mode. as a result of this case and I believe a ruling / statement by ARRL ( probably only , no official FCC staements) Very hard to check what is true and false. The stop is TRUE though MT63 or 61 is in use with MARS But MT63 is no SS I believe (not published stepping patterns etc ) 73 Rein W6SZ
Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
--- On Wed, 2/6/10, Dave Sparks dspa...@pobox.com wrote: Found the section. It is 97.309(a)(4) of the code: http://www.arrl.org/technical-characteristics The reverse-engineering part is an inference on my part. No chance of reverse-engineering Pactor III from the information provided. 73 Trevor M5AKA
[digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
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Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
Hello John, Please tell me what do you mean? Yahoo list(s)? It is very easy to get of a Yahoo list. ( I think and hope. ) Have changed the some 25 lists I am on often, delivery format etc. Also have never experienced this dictatorial action on a Yahoo List so far. As far as Mr. Ros is concerned there was a time not long ago, that I tried to defend him, Thought, he was misunderstood even when attacking good decent amateurs. Thought it was the language. Offered to skype with him. English is not my native Language. I have a flexible EU English skill and under stand English with a French, Swedish, German, Dutch, accent, you name it no problem. Others did warn me, but the idiot I am, did not believe them. So developed a pretty strong skin by now. Where did this happen Facebook? Well you ask Mr. Ros a question he does not like or gets to close to the bone, you get it. Verbal, lawyers, Interpol I was warned by a very nice Cuban professor, I don't know on what terms he is or was with Mr. Fidel Castro, before he stepped down. This professor speaks Spanish probably a few more languages and very good English, I do not, unfortunately, but that might have been the reason for me to be that slow in understanding all this. Right from the beginning, I warned Mr Ros about the IARU beacons on 14.100 kHz. Reason for the first conflict situations with Mr ROS. Long before the many of the present ROS users were aware of Mr. ROS A Mr. Ros has no manners whatever. B Mr. Ros has not even the most basic skills of dealing with people. C Mr. Ros has no idea, what amateur radio is ( no big deal really ) D Mr. Ros might not be straight with the users of his program. The way Mr. Ros behaves indicates to me that he has other interests than providing a program, being it very nice, free to the amateur radio community. Users might not care about that angle, I do not either as a matter of fact but I think it might explain things. Without a doubt we all will get to learn this over time. I have been trying to help us ( US amateurs ) in using ROS Modem. If Mr ROS had any concern in this regard, he would fix the problem and write a paper that we could present to our licensing agency. Mr ROS woud have trouble talking to that agency. Telling us that he had been in touch with that agency Thanks for your comments and nice words, John. I know it is so boring and OT. ( And Dave (G0DJA ) is your spam bin sufficient empty ) 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jun 1, 2010 6:51 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Rein Don't take it personal. For some reason even I got on his bad list. I did ask but never got an answer. Not sure but I think someone has been feeding bad info to him. Think he was told that I has said something that I really did not or it was misunderstood. John, W0JAB http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
