[digitalradio] WinDRM setup
I am trying to get WinDRM working. I don't know the version number, but it's the one included in windrm-23-jul-08.zip. It is running on a Dell laptop (Windows XP Home), with a: 1. built-in SigmaTel Audio soundcard. 2. built-in QuickCam for Dell Notebook microphone. 3. USB telephone handset. I am using the SigmaTel for the RX input and TX output. I am using the USB handset for the voice input and voice output. (These are the same devices that I used to use for FDMDV). Everything seems to work except for the USB voice output. When I click on Soundcard > Open Mixer > Voice Output, the "Capture" volume control for the QuickCam mic pops up, instead of the "Speaker" control for the USB device. Any ideas on what's going wrong here? -- 73 Ian, G3NRW
[digitalradio] WinDRM with Siognalink SL+1 ?
I guess this is ok to use - is anyone using one ? Can / does this mike plug into the mike socket on the signalink or the pc ?
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM Digital Voice
At 11:47 AM 5/13/2007, you wrote in part: >This is one of the reasons that I do not expect DV to ever become >all that popular on HF. It is doing very well at this time.
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM Digital Voice
It would be difficult to pause without notice with DV due to the latency issue. This is one of the reasons that I do not expect DV to ever become all that popular on HF. And if there are attempts to improve the sensitivity and robustness, the latency would have to become even more noticeable since I doubt that there is any chance to have wider bandwidth modes such as you have on VHF and up with over 6 kHz wide signals. Latency can be acceptable for text modes, but much more problematic with voice. DV does not really lend itself to fast break in technique such as used on net operation or quick round tables where individuals make rapid back and forth comments. Without some major breakthrough, which at this time seems unlikely to contravene the laws of physics, HF DV seems destined as a niche player, similar to the way AM is still used. I have been getting a bit concerned with some of the strong statements being made lately by some of the more overzealous proponents of digital. Based upon the Dayton Hamvention Digital Forum presentations, it is getting a bit much, with claims that digital technology is destined to replace most analog technology. Because of the many downsides to digital technology, this is most unlikely on HF. It may eventually become more popular on VHF and higher frequencies due to the allowance of wider bandwidth modes. There are good uses for digital and there are good uses for analog and one is not always the best choice over the other. 73, Rick, KV9U kd4e wrote: > Couldn't DV include a automated brief pause every > 1 or 2 min to check for doubling? > > It would be so brief as to be almost indiscernible > to the op and would trigger a warning of some sort > only if doubling (defined by certain parameters) > were detected. > > WDYT? > >
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM Digital Voice
I don't think it is needed. I have been on DV for 4 years and have never seen anyone talk for a min... it just don't happen on DV. It's just not a long winded mode. John, W0JAB At 06:59 PM 5/12/2007, you wrote: >Couldn't DV include a automated brief pause every >1 or 2 min to check for doubling? > >It would be so brief as to be almost indiscernible >to the op and would trigger a warning of some sort >only if doubling (defined by certain parameters) >were detected.
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM Digital Voice
Couldn't DV include a automated brief pause every 1 or 2 min to check for doubling? It would be so brief as to be almost indiscernible to the op and would trigger a warning of some sort only if doubling (defined by certain parameters) were detected. WDYT? > From listening to DV users on the higher bands, the mode is similar to > the older AM operations where one station has the frequency for a while > and then turns it over to another station. If two stations were > transmitting at the same time and did not know it (doubling), you might > not have any communications at all and this could go on for a while if > there is a long monolog. > > It seems that DV will never be able to compete well with analog voice > due to the limitations of physical science and the ability of analog to > easily and very quickly switch between stations, similar to the QSK > ability of CW which probably surpasses and other mode when you have > savvy operators in a structured net environment. > > 73, > > Rick, KV9U -- Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E Personal: http://bibleseven.com/kd4e.html Ham QTH: http://mysite.verizon.net/kd4e/
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM Digital Voice
Here in the northern midwest U.S., we have a great deal of QRN that begins in the early evening. It is not always easy to maintain comfortable analog voice communications with 100 watt stations during the summer months. When you use 160 what power levels are you running in order to keep the S/N ratio above the necessary S/N ratio plus enough reserve to prevent loss of data during the inevitable QSB? Are you using WinDRM for image data or voice or both? From listening to DV users on the higher bands, the mode is similar to the older AM operations where one station has the frequency for a while and then turns it over to another station. If two stations were transmitting at the same time and did not know it (doubling), you might not have any communications at all and this could go on for a while if there is a long monolog. It seems that DV will never be able to compete well with analog voice due to the limitations of physical science and the ability of analog to easily and very quickly switch between stations, similar to the QSK ability of CW which probably surpasses and other mode when you have savvy operators in a structured net environment. 73, Rick, KV9U jr1961bobo wrote: > I had a couple QSO's on 20 meters with WinDRM but allot of QSB made > things difficult. Anyone in the Northeast want to try WinDRM on 160 > meters? I am starting to call cq on some nights at 9:00 pm Est. on > 1.990. Since the band usually opens up well after sunset it may be a > good place to get a small group of WinDRM users together for a little > ragchewing. > > >
[digitalradio] WinDRM Digital Voice
I had a couple QSO's on 20 meters with WinDRM but allot of QSB made things difficult. Anyone in the Northeast want to try WinDRM on 160 meters? I am starting to call cq on some nights at 9:00 pm Est. on 1.990. Since the band usually opens up well after sunset it may be a good place to get a small group of WinDRM users together for a little ragchewing.
[digitalradio] WINDRM DV -- PLEASE MIND YOUR ALC!
ALL: A LITTLE REMINDER ABOUT TXING DIGITAL VOICE... IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE ALC DEFLECTION AT A MINIMUM WITH WINDRM. DO NOT OVERDRIVE YOUR RIG OR AMPLIFIER AS THIS WILL CAUSE THE SNR TO DROP. ONCE THE SNR GOES BELOW THE THRESHOLD (ABT 8DB) THE MODE WILL FAIL REGARDLESS OF HOW STRONG YOUR SIGNAL IS! A SIGNAL STRENGTH OF S9-PLUS WITH AN SNR OF ONLY 6DB SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING. IT IS NOT THE MODES POWER REQUIREMENT CAUSING THE DECODE FAILURE, IT'S THE NONLINEAR TRANSMIT SIGNAL. TONY KT2Q
[digitalradio] WINdrm via Narrow band FM?
Anyone try WinDRM on VHF /UHF using FM simplex ? 73 Thanks in Advance John
[digitalradio] WinDRM Ｈｅｌｌｏ Digital Ｆｏｒｋｓ
-- Forwarded message -- From: Rick Wakatori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Jan 8, 2007 6:10 AM Subject: [WinDRM] Ｈｅｌｌｏ Digital Ｆｏｒｋｓ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am Rick Wakatori, 7L1RLL, and just sent an application for getting the permission to transmit J1E and J2E in Japan. This permission will be got in my hands in end of this January. I hope to see you in WinDRM at 0.7, 6, 10, 15, 20 and 40 meters band soon. You can call me by EchoLink and CQ100 and find my photograph at QRZ.com. == =. . --... .-.. . .-. .-.. .-.. === 7L1RLL Rick Wakatori[E139.30'36'', N35.35'24'' URL = 10.1.0.225 L1RLL A @ JP1YIW A) URL = http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html == -.. --- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. ...-.
RE: [digitalradio] windrm
Yes, I did this as well but I cannot get the rig to key. I am using Comm 3 which is what MixW uses with ease and I have tried every conceivable PTT checkbox combination under "SETUP". What am I missing??? Rick - KH2DF _ From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:13 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] windrm Hi Andy, I have the file now and Windrm is working. 73 Art WB4MNK - Original Message - From: Andrew <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> O'Brien To: digitalradio@ <mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] windrm I uploaded the DLL to the files section but then discovered that the melp dll is copyright protected so I took it down. There is a way to build the melp dll file one's self. I am testing that out tonight, if I can do it anyone can! Andy K3UK On 1/2/07, wb4mnk <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> net> wrote: I need the melp.dll that is used with Windrm. I need this dll where Windrm will work. I have tried the web site with out any luck down loading this file. Where might I find this file for download? 73 Art WB4MNK -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb. <http://www.obriensweb.com> com _ size=2 width="100%" align=center> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM
Re: [digitalradio] windrm
Hi Andy, I have the file now and Windrm is working. 73 Art WB4MNK - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] windrm I uploaded the DLL to the files section but then discovered that the melp dll is copyright protected so I took it down. There is a way to build the melp dll file one's self. I am testing that out tonight, if I can do it anyone can! Andy K3UK On 1/2/07, wb4mnk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I need the melp.dll that is used with Windrm. I need this dll where Windrm will work. I have tried the web site with out any luck down loading this file. Where might I find this file for download? 73 Art WB4MNK -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM
Re: [digitalradio] windrm
I uploaded the DLL to the files section but then discovered that the melp dll is copyright protected so I took it down. There is a way to build the melp dll file one's self. I am testing that out tonight, if I can do it anyone can! Andy K3UK On 1/2/07, wb4mnk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I need the melp.dll that is used with Windrm. I need this dll where Windrm will work. I have tried the web site with out any luck down loading this file. Where might I find this file for download? 73 Art WB4MNK -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb.com
[digitalradio] windrm
I need the melp.dll that is used with Windrm. I need this dll where Windrm will work. I have tried the web site with out any luck down loading this file. Where might I find this file for download? 73 Art WB4MNK
Re: [digitalradio] WinDrm
Well, I tried the link and brought up a page which sez the account has been suspended. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN - Original Message - From: wb4mnk To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: [digitalradio] WinDrm I have tried this web site www.rarewares.org/files/others/melp_dll.zip but for some reason the web site will not come up. Any suggestions?
Re: [digitalradio] WinDrm
Andy, Thanks for the information. I have already deleted the program so when we have the time I will give it another shot. Thanks for all your help. 73 Art WB4MNK - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] WinDrm > > Hi Andy, Thanks for up loading the file to the files area but I installed it in the windrm folder on the desk top and now have no windrm .exe file so I have no clue what I have done. > Art, I suggest you download the Windrm again, install it over the old files in the SAME folder. the melp DLL should remain and you should have a fresh exe file. Andy. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/609 - Release Date: 12/29/2006 4:48 PM
Re: [digitalradio] WinDrm
> > Hi Andy, Thanks for up loading the file to the files area but I installed it > in the windrm folder on the desk top and now have no windrm .exe file so I > have no clue what I have done. > Art, I suggest you download the Windrm again, install it over the old files in the SAME folder. the melp DLL should remain and you should have a fresh exe file. Andy.
Re: [digitalradio] WinDrm
Hi Andy, Thanks for up loading the file to the files area but I installed it in the windrm folder on the desk top and now have no windrm .exe file so I have no clue what I have done. 73 Art - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] WinDrm I will upload it to the files section here. Andy K3UK On 12/30/06, wb4mnk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am trying to get Windrm setup but can not fine the melp_dll.zip file and when we try and open we get an error message. I have tried this web site www.rarewares.org/files/others/melp_dll.zip but for some reason the web site will not come up. Any suggestions? Thanks Art WB4MNK -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/609 - Release Date: 12/29/2006 4:48 PM
Re: [digitalradio] WinDrm
I will upload it to the files section here. Andy K3UK On 12/30/06, wb4mnk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am trying to get Windrm setup but can not fine the melp_dll.zip file and when we try and open we get an error message. I have tried this web site www.rarewares.org/files/others/melp_dll.zip but for some reason the web site will not come up. Any suggestions? Thanks Art WB4MNK -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb.com
[digitalradio] WinDrm
I am trying to get Windrm setup but can not fine the melp_dll.zip file and when we try and open we get an error message. I have tried this web site www.rarewares.org/files/others/melp_dll.zip but for some reason the web site will not come up. Any suggestions? Thanks Art WB4MNK
[digitalradio] WinDRM working?
Think I found the secret code! It appears to be working, but won't know until I hook up with someone. Listening on 14.236 just in case at 2121Z 73 Dave KB3MOW
[digitalradio] WinDRM with MicroHam Microkeyer?
Hi to all Is there anyone out there successfully using a MicroHam MicroKeyer to run the WinDRM software? If so, would you mind sharing your settings and helping me to get set up for this?? Particularly interested in the Digital Voice aspects of WinDRM... 73 de Barry ZS2EZ (EX ZR2DX / ZR6DXB) KF26TA - Port Elizabeth,South Africa Member : PEARS, SARL, ARRL, SA AMSAT
[digitalradio] WinDRM Variant
All: Had fun playing with the WinDRM variant this evening on 40 meters. The audio quality isn't the same as MELP mode, but Mel (K0PFX/4) sounded pretty good. His PC mic works well and seems to improve the audio. Many thanks to Cesco, HB9TLK for his efforts. Tony KT2Q Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?
I need a new ALINCO (or somebodies) Operating Priviliges chart. This is all too confusing. I went and got my Extra decades ago so I wouldnt have to remember (or care) about all this stuff. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "KV9U" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules? > Many years ago, Peter, TY1PS sent a compressed audio file from Benin to > the USA and it could have been the first "digital" file of this type. > This was done on Clover II since for a short time this was a popular > digital mode with the Winlink system (not the same as the internet/ham > radio interface Winlink 2000 system). It seems that someone did ask the > FCC if this was legal, or if it was too much like broadcasing "music," > and it seems that there were at least some views at the FCC that this > might be legal to do since it was "data." > > For those of you who were members of ADRS/IDRA prior to the collapse of > both "organizations," Peter even made a clever program (TY1PS Express) > that allowed two parties who had this same program to automatically send > and display a thumbnail of themselves. Unfortunately, this was > considered borderline "data" since it had an image and so this never got > very far. In a few weeks, this techology will be legal here in the U.S. > It only took, what, about 15 years? > > I firmly believe that the only reason that all of this crazy division > ever occured between image and data was due to the idea that since > "image" was a huge transfer of data, it required at least a phone > bandwidth size pipeline and "data" data was mostly RTTY which used > narrower BW's. But to me, all pictures are really only a subset of > "data." Not some separate entity as the rules currently try and delineate. > > What really changed things was when digital "data" became extremely > wide, e.g., MT-63 and Pactor 3. Once that was permitted to happen, it > seems to me that any kind of data should have been allowed to be used on > the non-phone "data" portions of the bands or else restrict that part of > the bands to narrow modes only, such as a maximum of 500 Hz. > > Perhaps someday the FCC will address this situation with the bandwidth > proposals? I sure hope so. The only rational approach would be to make > the current "data" portions of the bands smaller (except for 80 meters > where this has already been done), and only allow 500 Hz BW's in that > area and then allow any mode or content in the phone/wide section. > > Anything else, just seems to make things unnecessarily (ridiculously?) > complicated. The only other tweak would be to decide whether narrow band > modes could operate in the wide band areas as does CW now in most cases > (except for 60 meters). > > 73, > > > Rick, KV9U > > > > > Joe Veldhuis wrote: > > >If you sent a text file, that would be considered "data". As would, if I > >understand correctly, essentially any other kind of file except one > >containing some type of sound, image or video. > > > >An interesting question would be, what would an MP3 recording of a PSK31 > >signal count as? > > > >-Joe, KD8ATU > > > >Andrew O'Brien wrote: > > > > > >>I don't quite understand Mark's point about using "data" via something like > >>WinDRM. What is "data"? WindDRM sends images and DV, when it us in receive > >>mode and is decoding a picture it indicates it is receiving "data". I > >>would not expect to be allowed to send a picture in the RTTY/DATA sub-bands. > >> > >> > > > > > >Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org > > > >Other areas of interest: > > > >The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > >DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org > > Other areas of interest: > > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?
Many years ago, Peter, TY1PS sent a compressed audio file from Benin to the USA and it could have been the first "digital" file of this type. This was done on Clover II since for a short time this was a popular digital mode with the Winlink system (not the same as the internet/ham radio interface Winlink 2000 system). It seems that someone did ask the FCC if this was legal, or if it was too much like broadcasing "music," and it seems that there were at least some views at the FCC that this might be legal to do since it was "data." For those of you who were members of ADRS/IDRA prior to the collapse of both "organizations," Peter even made a clever program (TY1PS Express) that allowed two parties who had this same program to automatically send and display a thumbnail of themselves. Unfortunately, this was considered borderline "data" since it had an image and so this never got very far. In a few weeks, this techology will be legal here in the U.S. It only took, what, about 15 years? I firmly believe that the only reason that all of this crazy division ever occured between image and data was due to the idea that since "image" was a huge transfer of data, it required at least a phone bandwidth size pipeline and "data" data was mostly RTTY which used narrower BW's. But to me, all pictures are really only a subset of "data." Not some separate entity as the rules currently try and delineate. What really changed things was when digital "data" became extremely wide, e.g., MT-63 and Pactor 3. Once that was permitted to happen, it seems to me that any kind of data should have been allowed to be used on the non-phone "data" portions of the bands or else restrict that part of the bands to narrow modes only, such as a maximum of 500 Hz. Perhaps someday the FCC will address this situation with the bandwidth proposals? I sure hope so. The only rational approach would be to make the current "data" portions of the bands smaller (except for 80 meters where this has already been done), and only allow 500 Hz BW's in that area and then allow any mode or content in the phone/wide section. Anything else, just seems to make things unnecessarily (ridiculously?) complicated. The only other tweak would be to decide whether narrow band modes could operate in the wide band areas as does CW now in most cases (except for 60 meters). 73, Rick, KV9U Joe Veldhuis wrote: >If you sent a text file, that would be considered "data". As would, if I >understand correctly, essentially any other kind of file except one >containing some type of sound, image or video. > >An interesting question would be, what would an MP3 recording of a PSK31 >signal count as? > >-Joe, KD8ATU > >Andrew O'Brien wrote: > > >>I don't quite understand Mark's point about using "data" via something like >>WinDRM. What is "data"? WindDRM sends images and DV, when it us in receive >>mode and is decoding a picture it indicates it is receiving "data". I >>would not expect to be allowed to send a picture in the RTTY/DATA sub-bands. >> >> > > >Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org > >Other areas of interest: > >The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ >DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?
Mark, If I use uuencode/uudecode on an image, then it becomes ASCII data. Would that be permissable to be sent on the RTTY/Data portion of a band? Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:13 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules? > >> You can use WinDRM to transmit digital voice and images in the > > Phone/Image subbbands. You can use WinDRM to transmit data in the > > RTTY/Data subbands. > > >I don't quite understand Mark's point about using "data" via something like >WinDRM. What is "data"? WindDRM sends images and DV, when it us in receive >mode and is decoding a picture it indicates it is receiving "data". I >would not expect to be allowed to send a picture in the RTTY/DATA sub-bands. If you send a file that is not an image, then it can be data. When we use the term digital with reference to part 97 we are referring to the second symbol of the ITU emissions designator. When we use the terms data, image, and phone (telephony) we are referring to the third symbol of the ITU emissions designator. I did go back an re-read new definition in part 97.3 c 2 and J2D is included in the modes that are limited to 500 Hz. J2D is when you use a TNC or SCS modem connected to the MIC jack or ACCESSORY jack of a SSB transmitter. I would say that PACTOR III is in trouble now. 73, Mark N5RFX Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?
It's a FAX... ;@) -- John "Smokey Behr" Gleichweit FF1/EMT, CCNA, MCSE IPN-CAL023 N6FOG UP Fresno Sub MP183.5 ECV1852 List Owner x6, Moderator x4 CA-OES 51-507 http://smokeybehr.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/smokeybehr -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of kd4e Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:42 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules? Hey, what would they call a picture of a data file? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/473 - Release Date: 10/12/2006 Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?
They try to keep the new regs very general (vague) so they won't have to re-write them so often. Look how long it took for the FCC to out with this little bit of drivel! (HI) 73, John - K8OCL >From: kd4e <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules? >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:42:14 -0400 > >Hey, what would they call a picture of a data file? > >:-) > >Seems we are putting too fine a point on things. > >For emergency communications purposes we *need* >to have tested and implemented non-proprietary >modes that are multi-format, data, voice, and >images. > >Bureaucrats have once again partially addressed the >issues enough so that they will have work sorting >through the confusion they have created -- it's >sure to justify their paychecks for another year. > >Sigh ... doc > > > If you sent a text file, that would be considered "data". As would, if I > > understand correctly, essentially any other kind of file except one > > containing some type of sound, image or video. > > > > An interesting question would be, what would an MP3 recording of a PSK31 > > signal count as? > > > > -Joe, KD8ATU > > > > Andrew O'Brien wrote: > >> I don't quite understand Mark's point about using "data" via something >like > >> WinDRM. What is "data"? WindDRM sends images and DV, when it us in >receive > >> mode and is decoding a picture it indicates it is receiving "data". I > >> would not expect to be allowed to send a picture in the RTTY/DATA >sub-bands. > > >-- > >Thanks! & 73, >doc, KD4E >... somewhere in FL >URL: bibleseven (dot) com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?
>I'm not so sure of that. As I understand it, "D" means telemetry or >telecommand. D - Data transmission, telemetry, telecommand No I am not out to banish Pactor III, but I am wondering why the FCC included J2D in the list of 500Hz maximum occupied bandwidth modes. 73, Mark N5RFX Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?
Good one Joe, this is a good example of how authorizing emissions, based on emissions designators is not very precise. It is that third symbol that is the most troublesome, because it attempts to define the content of the emission. >An interesting question would be, what would an MP3 recording of a PSK31 >signal count as? Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?
Hey, what would they call a picture of a data file? :-) Seems we are putting too fine a point on things. For emergency communications purposes we *need* to have tested and implemented non-proprietary modes that are multi-format, data, voice, and images. Bureaucrats have once again partially addressed the issues enough so that they will have work sorting through the confusion they have created -- it's sure to justify their paychecks for another year. Sigh ... doc > If you sent a text file, that would be considered "data". As would, if I > understand correctly, essentially any other kind of file except one > containing some type of sound, image or video. > > An interesting question would be, what would an MP3 recording of a PSK31 > signal count as? > > -Joe, KD8ATU > > Andrew O'Brien wrote: >> I don't quite understand Mark's point about using "data" via something like >> WinDRM. What is "data"? WindDRM sends images and DV, when it us in receive >> mode and is decoding a picture it indicates it is receiving "data". I >> would not expect to be allowed to send a picture in the RTTY/DATA sub-bands. -- Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E ... somewhere in FL URL: bibleseven (dot) com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?
I'm not so sure of that. As I understand it, "D" means telemetry or telecommand. Although I don't use an SCS modem and thus couldn't give you first-hand info, I think that Pactor 2 (which is less than 500 Hz) is used for all the commands, with Pactor 3 only being used for the transfer of information in response to those commands. Though, if you were straining for a reason to banish these proprietary modes from the ham bands, perhaps the ARQ exchanges could be considered a form of telecommand... -Joe, KD8ATU Mark Miller wrote: > I did go back an re-read new definition in part 97.3 c 2 and J2D is > included in the modes that are limited to 500 Hz. J2D is when you > use a TNC or SCS modem connected to the MIC jack or ACCESSORY jack of > a SSB transmitter. I would say that PACTOR III is in trouble now. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?
If you sent a text file, that would be considered "data". As would, if I understand correctly, essentially any other kind of file except one containing some type of sound, image or video. An interesting question would be, what would an MP3 recording of a PSK31 signal count as? -Joe, KD8ATU Andrew O'Brien wrote: > I don't quite understand Mark's point about using "data" via something like > WinDRM. What is "data"? WindDRM sends images and DV, when it us in receive > mode and is decoding a picture it indicates it is receiving "data". I > would not expect to be allowed to send a picture in the RTTY/DATA sub-bands. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?
> >> You can use WinDRM to transmit digital voice and images in the > > Phone/Image subbbands. You can use WinDRM to transmit data in the > > RTTY/Data subbands. > > >I don't quite understand Mark's point about using "data" via something like >WinDRM. What is "data"? WindDRM sends images and DV, when it us in receive >mode and is decoding a picture it indicates it is receiving "data". I >would not expect to be allowed to send a picture in the RTTY/DATA sub-bands. If you send a file that is not an image, then it can be data. When we use the term digital with reference to part 97 we are referring to the second symbol of the ITU emissions designator. When we use the terms data, image, and phone (telephony) we are referring to the third symbol of the ITU emissions designator. I did go back an re-read new definition in part 97.3 c 2 and J2D is included in the modes that are limited to 500 Hz. J2D is when you use a TNC or SCS modem connected to the MIC jack or ACCESSORY jack of a SSB transmitter. I would say that PACTOR III is in trouble now. 73, Mark N5RFX Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?
- Original Message - From: "Mark Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Revised FCC rules for data/image communication > > > You can use WinDRM to transmit digital voice and images in the > Phone/Image subbbands. You can use WinDRM to transmit data in the > RTTY/Data subbands. > I don't quite understand Mark's point about using "data" via something like WinDRM. What is "data"? WindDRM sends images and DV, when it us in receive mode and is decoding a picture it indicates it is receiving "data". I would not expect to be allowed to send a picture in the RTTY/DATA sub-bands. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] WinDRM Hiss???
All: Having a blast with WinDRM, but I've received reports about a hiss on my DV signal. It seems to get worse when the windows mic input is set higher. The hiss is reduced somewhat with the mic input on the lowest possible setting, but then the mic audio is too low. I noticed that the hiss goes away when the mic slider is set to zero so I would assume this means the sound card itself is generating noise? The output card is a Turtle Beach USB and the PC card is Avance 97 built into a Toshiba Laptop. I've noticed a very slight hiss on most DV signals, but this is realy taking away from the DV S/N. Any suggestions? Tony KT2Q Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] WinDRM
Title: Message I've QSY'd up to 7.291 USB due to heavy SSB QRM on 86. -Original Message-From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NickSent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:55 AMTo: digitalradio@yahoogroups.comSubject: [digitalradio] WinDRM Also on 7.286 and RX/TXing. Zero experience with this app so welcomeany help. Tks Nick KU2A __._,_.___ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Hobby photography Hobby toy Ham radio Ham radio antenna Ham radio sales Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[digitalradio] WinDRM
Also on 7.286 and RX/TXing. Zero experience with this app so welcome any help. Tks Nick KU2A Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] WinDRM freqs
6. What frequencies do others use WinDRM? This varies from country to country but essentially these are the most popular frequencies, USB, VFO dial frequency: 3.733 (LSB), 3.857 (7AM EST Mon-Sat), 7.173, 7.228 and 7.290 to 7.299, 14.236, 14.255, 18.1625, 21.370. The online finder at http://n1su.us/windrm_online.html is a good way to find each other on the bands. Weekends typically are the best days to find activity. >From the WinDRM website. Also use the K3UK cluster for skeds telnet://cluster.dynalias.org -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb.com www.myspace.com/k3uk Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM voice tonight anyone?
Try 7296 USB. At 06:05 PM 9/27/2006, you wrote: >I am interested in trying my first digital voice QSO, using WINDRM, anyone >want to also try it tonight ? Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] WinDRM voice tonight anyone?
I am interested in trying my first digital voice QSO, using WINDRM, anyone want to also try it tonight ? -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb.com www.myspace.com/k3uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
