AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster - NOT

[Siegfried Jackstien]

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Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juli 2010 15:26
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, "Siegfried Jackstien"  wrote:
>
> Marc . i agree that jose is as dummy . if you see his behaviour in some
> situations
> 
> I do not wanna defend him (AS I DO NOT LIKE HIDDEN FUNCTIONS TOO)
> 
> I just like the new mode as it works so well
> 
> I just like experimenting with new "toys"
> 
> That's all
> 


Try PSK31 or contestia to contact VK. I think it is not so much the mode
(since how can that be?) but the contact you made that made you favor ROS.

I like experimenting and it is a new toy … thats why i favor it .. and I
wrote that I worked vk and zl with the mode 

And I had no luck with other modes for such a big distance…

> 
> Jose made 3 qrg on 20m band to give more users a chance .
> 



MORE ROS USERS … but you surely know that

 


More Pactor, Packet and WINMOR users??? Since that is what I am saying with
my "SSTV argument": a growing number of users implies more patience by ROS
users, and a better timing when to call CQ for those users. It does NOT
imply more calling frequencies. No other mode "claims" three calling
frequencies on one band.

> 
> I see only low traffic on 115 most is on 103 and 112 so time will show if
> the third is needed

A third??? Needed??? More patience and better operating practice is needed
for ROS users.

As it is needed for all hams in a pileup … agree with that … stay cool and
wait till you et the qso … if not try next day



> 
> If I look in the bandplan I see that automatic stations is upper limit 112
> so maybe we shoud use the lower qrg for (low power)beaconing with ros and
> only 115 for keyboard to keyboard qsos

Better not make QSO's at all in a wideband digi section were "unattended"
servers reside

It is digital and it is wideband …. And can be used as beacon … so wherelse
as in the digital area should ros go??

Jose changed the qrg several times … and asked on the hp for qrg to put it
in the soft … okay maybe 1 qrg would be easier to find than 3 of them …. 

. It is asking for QRM since often "automatic forwarding" takes place on
these frequencies. The frequencies are crowded there already so why try to
fit in with a 2200Hz wide mode? Better try to find an "own" watering hole
for ROS SINCE it is that wide.

It would be like using ROS on the SSTV frequency. But since that is a KNOWN
frequency for SSTV, people do not use 14.230 for any other mode. So why not
apply the same logic on 14.103/14.112/14.115 since all these frequencies are
used almost non stop by billboard systems and alike.

 

ALL USED BY BBS ??? how many qrgs for the bbs??? the whole area???



> 
> Marc you said only one qrg on 20 for sstv??? I see traffic on 14230 as
> centre of activity . but also on 233, 236, 240(digi)

Digital SSTV is a completely different mode. Just listen to them and you
will know/hear the big difference. The only resemblance between the two is
sending pics. So the two modes SHARE the frequency.



As i know 240 is digital … and the other analog so no sharing

 

And on 14.227 and 14.233 there are no other modes operating on fixed
frequencies like packet/pactor BBS do on 14.103, 14.112 and 14.115, that is
a big difference.

> Same story but other mode ... most traffic is on 230 in sstv .. As it is
on
> 103 for ros
> 
> And if there is more users on air or other modes using 103 I (and others)
> qsy to 112 and 115
> Like the sstv gang is doing . traffic on 230 . move to 233 or 236
> 

If and ONLY if that frequency is free. And most of the times 14.233 or
14.227 are free. There is rarely SSTV traffic beyond these frequencies
except in August during the JASTA contest. Then the "SSTV gang" as you call
them, use 14.230 +/- 3Kc/6Kc. But even then during contest most traffic is
still on 14.230

So maybe 14.236 would have been a good frequency for ROS, since it is rarely
used since it is so close to the SSTV and digital SSTV center of activity
and can easily be SHARED with these modes.

I hear the ssty guys crying : marc why you said the ros guys to move on OUR
qrg???



The calling frequencieS for ROS are most of the time in use, and have been
in use for years for many pactor servers or packet BBS. So it was quite
incosiderate by José and the ROS users to choose these frequencieS. That is
again a big difference.

Tell jose better qrg … he changed it several times and the digital area is
not so very wide …

Can we move outside the digital area … I think not as we have to stay in the
digital area written down in the bandplans

Moving completely out of digital is not okay I think … but others maybe know
it better

Greetz

sigi

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster - NOT

[Siegfried Jackstien]

Marc . i agree that jose is as dummy . if you see his behaviour in some
situations

I do not wanna defend him (AS I DO NOT LIKE HIDDEN FUNCTIONS TOO)

I just like the new mode as it works so well

I just like experimenting with new "toys"

That's all

Sure it would be way easier if he had a lis and if he knew better how to
invoke new stuff to the crowd

I often asked him about some things that could be made better . but he has
his own thoughts

Some things in the soft came from my ideas (example distance calculation)

It was ME that sent several dozen mails to users that I have seen in the
cluster . just to tell them to shut the autospot off

Days before it was ME that wrote how to stop the spotting with a firewall
(in versions before there was no switch)

Just to make pressure on jose to make that switch available .

So I have some same thoughts as you and some are different

If I see a pactor station in waterfall I do qsy . others may think ros does
it even if there is some other mode on the qrg and send ontop of the pactor
station but that's the fault of the user .. not of the developer 

I just hope that after some time ALL users shut off the spotting

Just because I do not want that more and more cluster sysops block ros-spots

Sending ontop other stations is not okay . agree 100x100

Jose made 3 qrg on 20m band to give more users a chance .

As this mode goes "around the blue marble" with a few watts he programmed
the 3 qrg on 20m

Now we have only a few hundred users (yet) so when there are a few thousands
the 3 qrg are "a must" I think

Time will show it ...

I see only low traffic on 115 most is on 103 and 112 so time will show if
the third is needed

If I look in the bandplan I see that automatic stations is upper limit 112
so maybe we shoud use the lower qrg for (low power)beaconing with ros and
only 115 for keyboard to keyboard qsos

 

Marc you said only one qrg on 20 for sstv??? I see traffic on 14230 as
centre of activity . but also on 233, 236, 240(digi)

Same story but other mode ... most traffic is on 230 in sstv .. As it is on
103 for ros

And if there is more users on air or other modes using 103 I (and others)
qsy to 112 and 115

Like the sstv gang is doing . traffic on 230 . move to 233 or 236

 

>changing one's motives and mindset is a completely different matter...



Right and well said Marc .. Not easy to change joses mind in some cases ..

Sometimes friendly asking helps . sometimes you have to give him a kick in
his back hi hi (see the sent mails by me as such a kick)

 

I do not know him very well . just had some emails with him and I also do
not like all he does .

But now we have to live with what we have . just make it wise .

Wait if there are other stations ... stay cool .

I can wait if there is other traffic . as I know I can work the world with
this mode there is no time pressure for me

I worked vk4 with a few watts and so there is no next goal for me (so I
often only monitor now)

But others are new and so they are experimenting like I did in the first
weeks

 

73

Sigi

 

 

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ros clusterspots

[Siegfried Jackstien]

You forgot that there is not only a silencer but also the safety pin .. And
the user guide that says do not hold that gun in the direction of any human
. if it is not you mother in law .. grin 

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster - NOT

[Siegfried Jackstien]

it's hard coded banned calls list, it's three calling frequencies on 20m,
it's inferior [to contestia] wide band mode, it's auto spotting on DX
clusters).

 

"hall of shame" does not exist anymore (as I know)

 

3 qrg on 20 . yes it is the most used dx band .. How many phone channels of
3khz ???

You argue about the bandwith . as wide as a phone conversation so what?

Would you also tell the same to any phone operator?!? Hey your voice is 3kc
wide . could you please use cw or psk???

It is another experimental mode . time will show if it is longer used or not
(like many other modes)

 

Autospotfunction can now be switched off by the user so we all can switch it
off

No autospots > no more sysops of clusters will ban the mode

 

Okay joses behaviour in bringing the mode further is not okay . but he made
a great software

So why not use what we have?!?

 

In the newest version he made a autoreport to pskreporter map

As we can see the traffic now on a map we do not need the autospot anymore

So hopefully all users will upgrade their soft and switch the spotting off

 

Greetz

Dg9bfc

Sigi

 

>> plough the land with an M1 Abrahams ... what a nice idea

Why not use it for bringing the kids to school?

Not very economical but very patriotic . (just kidding)

 

 

 

 

 

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster - NOT

[Siegfried Jackstien]

A gun can be a weapon to kill . or just a sport gun .. for precisely making
a hole in a paper some ten feet away

So it depends on for what you use that gun

I like the sportive way .

See how far I can go with a few watts on a simple antenna

But others might use it for :how many winmore stations can I make angry .

So you see it depends on the users .. .and what are the users .. WE ARE

So it is our role to handle the gun safely in a sportive way . not kill
somebody

So you see I also can tell stories in metaphors

Greetz

Sigi

 

Re: AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

[AA0OI]

I wasn't alway this way,, and someday we'll have to take it back !!
 
Garrett / AA0OI





From: Siegfried Jackstien 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 8:43:53 AM
Subject: AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

  
And not to start another argument, but incase you haven't noticed we've lost 
control of our "Government" and that includes the FCC
 
Snip……
 
Is there ANY country in the world where the people have control over their 
government?? ?
Where can I get a flight ticket to there??
Just kidding
 
 



  

Re: AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

[AA0OI]

No eveyone is Leonardo DaVinchi, or me ! 
Garrett / AA0OI





From: Siegfried Jackstien 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 5:45:34 AM
Subject: AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

  
The inventor is an idiot … not cause he invented the mode nor cause he said it 
is spread spectrum
Bur because he still hold on the software that does send the false 
autogenerated 
spots
 



  

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

[Siegfried Jackstien]

And not to start another argument, but incase you haven't noticed we've lost
control of our "Government" and that includes the FCC
 

Snip..

 

Is there ANY country in the world where the people have control over their
government???

Where can I get a flight ticket to there??

Just kidding

 

 

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

[Siegfried Jackstien]

The inventor is an idiot . not cause he invented the mode nor cause he said
it is spread spectrum

Bur because he still hold on the software that does send the false
autogenerated spots

 

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS

[Siegfried Jackstien]

No . just block adif exe in a firewall and everything is fine

You can use the soft with or without email but without spotting is only
possible when using a firewall

The soft does not spot later . think you have no inet at home today.
tomorrow you get inet . if now the soft would spot later there were hundreds
of spots (of no need cause from yesterday) so the soft sends right on time
(or is quiet)

Hope I could help

sigi

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

[Siegfried Jackstien]

Autospot can now be switched of . so operator HAS control over it (in some
kind)

So you can use it as it is . or just switch it off

Greetings

Sigi

 

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters

[Siegfried Jackstien]

*   exactly every minute

 

so the other stations must have made their beacontext with a stopwatch

 

if you send the beacon in ros to 1 minute the soft DOES NOT transmit exactly
every minute for more than just one reason:

first of all the duration of the beacontext is added to the timer cause
timer restarts AFTER sending . that is why I said the stopwatch thing

okay say duration of text is 15 sec so you set beacon to 45 sec . does now
the soft send every minute?

NO NO NO

The second thing is that jose made another timer with 150 sec in the soft
THAT CAN NOT BE MADE SHORTER BY THE USER

And that timer is resetted if there is traffic . so the beacon does only
work if there is NO TRAFFIC

Beacon does not send if others use that qrg (in mode ros)

 

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters

[Siegfried Jackstien]

>Mercedes has a speed limiter for fun I presume...

No the limiter is for safety . but with a laptop and the right software the
limiter is away (and you also get some more power)

 

Okay jose should implement an rf sniffer in the software . if you switch on
you pa the audio is turned down automatic

If you transmit more than 3 times with too much output the soft sends an
email to fcc (or other local regulation agency) ... kidding of

 

 

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters

[Siegfried Jackstien]

The qrm is NOT from beacon function in the soft

I see you do not know his software

If the qrg is in use (of other ros transmissions) the beacontimer is
resetted and no beacon is sent

 

 

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters

[Siegfried Jackstien]

You have the same thing if you have a rare dx on the band and everybody is
stepping on the others shoe

With a beam and a gallon of power

Sadly that is also hamradio :-(

The lack of socialism is not the fault of the programmer

Dg9bfc

Sigi

 

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters

[Siegfried Jackstien]

As most dx is done on 20m and to give more hams a chance for a qso jose made
3 qrg on 20m . and he changed them SEVERAL TIMES after there were some other
telling there is a pactor qrg or this is a packet qrg etc. .. he asked
several times about qrg so I do not see where you have a problem . yes it is
a wide mode but it is used for LONG DISTANCE DX with low power .. From italy
to spain with a beam and a gallon of output you can do it with voice, psk,
or something else .

Ros is programmed for low power qrppp experiments . with a few watt and a
groundplane for a 16000 km path .. But there are users thinking more power
is better . and using ros the wrong way ..  With lots of power and a beam .
so to give others a better chance there are 3 qrg on 20m . that's all

Sometimes I hear packet or pactor on one or two of the 20m qrg so if I hear
that I go to the third qrg and try it there .

Greetz

Dg9bfc

Sigi

 

AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS ACTIVITY

[Siegfried Jackstien]

Tnx …

Best 73´s

Dg9bfc

Sigi

 

 

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