RE: [digitalradio] KQ6XA Recommendation IARU Region 2 Bandplan to ARRL

[Box SixteenHundred]

Mike,

I agree with your assessment.

73 - Bill KA8VIT




> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> From: mi...@mikea.ath.cx
> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:00:10 -0500
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] KQ6XA Recommendation IARU Region 2 Bandplan to 
> ARRL
> 
> On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 10:10:22AM -0400, KH6TY wrote:
> > Yes, do it! I just received this response from ARRL:
> > 
> > Thank you for taking the time to respond to the ARRL's invitation
> > to submit comments on the IARU Region 2 Band Plans to the ARRL Ad
> > Hoc Band Planning Committee. Your comments will be read and
> > considered by committee members as they prepare recommended ARRL
> > positions for the Region 2 Conference later this year.
> 
> I just submitted this; no response yet: 
> 
> TO: ARRL BOARD OF DIRECTORS' BAND PLANNING COMMITEE
> REPRESENTING USA FOR IARU REGION 2 BANDPLAN COMMITTEE
> ARRL, NEWINGTON, CT, USA
> 
> From: Mike Andrews, W5EGO
> 
> Bonnie Crystal, KQ6XA, submitted the following proposal to you 
> at the last possible instant, so as to preclude or forestall comment or
> opposition within the time limits established by the ARRL BoD for
> submission of recommendations, supporting comments, or opposition. 
> 
> I oppose her recommendation in its entirety. 
> 

  
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Re: [digitalradio] KQ6XA Recommendation IARU Region 2 Bandplan to ARRL

[mikea]

On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 10:10:22AM -0400, KH6TY wrote:
> Yes, do it! I just received this response from ARRL:
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to respond to the ARRL's invitation
> to submit comments on the IARU Region 2 Band Plans to the ARRL Ad
> Hoc Band Planning Committee. Your comments will be read and
> considered by committee members as they prepare recommended ARRL
> positions for the Region 2 Conference later this year.

I just submitted this; no response yet: 

TO: ARRL BOARD OF DIRECTORS' BAND PLANNING COMMITEE
REPRESENTING USA FOR IARU REGION 2 BANDPLAN COMMITTEE
ARRL, NEWINGTON, CT, USA

From: Mike Andrews, W5EGO

Bonnie Crystal, KQ6XA, submitted the following proposal to you 
at the last possible instant, so as to preclude or forestall comment or
opposition within the time limits established by the ARRL BoD for
submission of recommendations, supporting comments, or opposition. 

I oppose her recommendation in its entirety. 

Ms. Crystal would reserve roughly 15% of each HF band for robot
stations, and -- if I judge rightly -- about 50% of 30 meters, an
already narrow band. 

Automatic stations already are a blight on the amateur bands,
transmitting without regard to existing traffic, disrupting existing
communications, and thereby operating in conflict with accepted amateur
radio practice and FCC rules. 

In the event of an emergency, up to 100% of the amateur bands are available
for emergency traffic. Ms. Crystal would carve out an excessive and
unreasonably large part of each band outside emergencies for stations which
_might_, during an emergency, be called on to carry such traffic.

Ms. Crystal appears to have determined to carry the flag of EMCOMM to
the exclusion of other amateur radio communications modes, almost all of
them of far longer standing, and to the detriment of amateurs not
involved in her own particular sub-branch of the hobby that is amateur
radio. 

Her plan is excessive in its scope, but far too limited in its vision,
and should not be implemented as submitted. 

I was taught, when I was growing up, that if something was working well
enough, one shouldn't tinker with it. The current band plan for HF is,
indeed, working well enough, and should not be tinkered with. 

:   FROM: BONNIE CRYSTAL KQ6XA,
:   International Coordinator, Global ALE High Frequency Network (HFN)
:   
:   DATE: 05 APRIL 2010
:   
:   SUBJECT: RECOMMENDATION FOR CHANGE TO IARU REGION 2 BANDPLAN
:   
:   Dear Band Planning Committee Members,
:   
:   In response to "ARRL Seeks Input for New IARU Region 2 Band Plan"
:   http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2010/03/04/11374/?nc=1
:   
:   Here is an offering of essential recommendations with a
:   carefully researched band segmentation chart, to help
:   enable ARRL to represent hams effectively in the process
:   of committee deliberations, for the upcoming
:   IARU Region 2 Bandplan this year.
:   
:   INTRODUCTION AND BACKGROUND
:   I write to you, as a very active operator in USA's Amateur
:   Radio Service, and in my capacity as International Coordinator
:   for the Global ALE High Frequency Network, a 24-7-365 interconnected
:   network of hams operating simultaneously on all international
:   HF bands for the past 3 years. I have presented papers and
:   participated in expert panels at Global Amateur Radio
:   Emergency Communications (GAREC) and other HF Conferences,
:   on the subject of international emergency / disaster
:   communications and HF Automatically Controlled Data Station
:   innovations. I have worked with groups and nets of digital
:   and analog modes to achieve voluntary HF net coordination.
:   I maintain a survey of HF band activity and a
:   comprehensive up-to-date international ham radio
:   bandplanning resource at http://hflink.com/bandplans
:   
:   MOTIVATION AND HOPE FOR A NEW HF BANDPLAN
:   The motivation for this correspondence is the hope that
:   the ARRL Representative to IARU Region 2 bandplanning
:   committee can work aggressively toward a better bandplan
:   this year, especially one that is both compatible
:   with USA's FCC Amateur Radio Service rules, and
:   designates adequate spectrum space for automatic
:   fast data stations. The previous plan had many
:   many errors, mostly due to essentially being copied
:   from an old IARU Region 1 bandplan, without regard
:   to appropriateness for Region 2 hams.
:   
:   THE EMCOMM BACKBONE: HF AUTOMATICALLY CONTROLLED DATA STATIONS
:   HF Automatically Controlled Data Stations have become
:   a vital lifeline for many stations in remote areas
:   of our IARU Region. The networks of ham operators
:   that use and keep these fast data stations on the
:   air daily have become the main backbone of
:   emergency/disaster HF communications in the North
:

Re: [digitalradio] KQ6XA Recommendation IARU Region 2 Bandplan to ARRL

[KH6TY]

Yes, do it! I just received this response from ARRL:

Thank you for taking the time to respond to the ARRL's invitation
to submit comments on the IARU Region 2 Band Plans to the ARRL Ad
Hoc Band Planning Committee. Your comments will be read and
considered by committee members as they prepare recommended ARRL
positions for the Region 2 Conference later this year.


73 - Skip KH6TY




Dave Wright wrote:
 

The ARRL deadline for comments/suggestions was April 5th.  I wonder 
why Bonnie waited until the very last minute to submit her suggestion 
to the ARRL?  Could it be that she anticipated a backlash against the 
15%+ proposal (her suggested band plan gives 50% of 30m to 
fast/automatic stations!) from other amateurs that do not share her 
passion for EMCOMM?  By waiting until the very last minute, she 
effectively prevents anyone from commenting directly for or against 
her proposal.


Kudos to Bonnie for her political awareness and for knowing how to 
work the system.  Now, regardless of the deadline, I'm going to be 
sure to send in my two-cents worth.


Dave
K3DCW

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Andy obrien > wrote:


 




-- Forwarded message --
From: *expeditionradio*
Date: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 1:02 AM
Subject: [WINMOR] KQ6XA Recommendation IARU Region 2 Bandplan to ARRL
To: win...@yahoogroups.com 


 


If WINMOR/WINLINK operators would like to contact
the ARRL Bandplan Committee and ARRL officials
in support of the KQ6XA Recommendation, attached
below, you may do so by sending an email to
bandplan2...@arrl.org 
bandplan2010@ arrl.org 

and to your appropriate ARRL Section officers.

You may reference this website containing the
recommendation with charts and images:
http://hflink.com/bandplans/iaru_region_2.html


Voicing your support is needed (the sooner, the better)
for us to build a future for advanced HF
ham radio communications.

73 Bonnie Crystal KQ6XA

TO: ARRL BOARD OF DIRECTORS' BAND PLANNING COMMITEE
REPRESENTING USA FOR IARU REGION 2 BANDPLAN COMMITTEE
ARRL, NEWINGTON, CT, USA

FROM: BONNIE CRYSTAL KQ6XA,
International Coordinator, Global ALE High Frequency Network (HFN)

DATE: 05 APRIL 2010

SUBJECT: RECOMMENDATION FOR CHANGE TO IARU REGION 2 BANDPLAN

Dear Band Planning Committee Members,

In response to "ARRL Seeks Input for New IARU Region 2 Band Plan"
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2010/03/04/11374/?nc=1


Here is an offering of essential recommendations with a
carefully researched band segmentation chart, to help
enable ARRL to represent hams effectively in the process
of committee deliberations, for the upcoming
IARU Region 2 Bandplan this year.

INTRODUCTION AND BACKGROUND
I write to you, as a very active operator in USA's Amateur
Radio Service, and in my capacity as International Coordinator
for the Global ALE High Frequency Network, a 24-7-365 interconnected
network of hams operating simultaneously on all international
HF bands for the past 3 years. I have presented papers and
participated in expert panels at Global Amateur Radio
Emergency Communications (GAREC) and other HF Conferences,
on the subject of international emergency / disaster
communications and HF Automatically Controlled Data Station
innovations. I have worked with groups and nets of digital
and analog modes to achieve voluntary HF net coordination.
I maintain a survey of HF band activity and a
comprehensive up-to-date international ham radio
bandplanning resource at http://hflink.com/bandplans


MOTIVATION AND HOPE FOR A NEW HF BANDPLAN
The motivation for this correspondence is the hope that
the ARRL Representative to IARU Region 2 bandplanning
committee can work aggressively toward a better bandplan
this year, especially one that is both compatible
with USA's FCC Amateur Radio Service rules, and
designates adequate spectrum space for automatic
fast data stations. The previous plan had many
many errors, mostly due to essentially being copied
from an old IARU Region 1 bandplan, without regard
to appropriateness for Region 2 hams.

THE EMCOMM BACKBONE: HF AUTOMATICALLY CONTROLLED DATA STATIONS
HF Automatically Controlled Data Stations have become
a vital lifeline for many stations in remote areas
of our IARU Region. The networks of ham operators
that use and keep these fast data stations on the
air daily have become the main backbone of
emergency/disaster HF communications in the North
American and Caribbean area within recent years. A huge
community of hams is being

Re: [digitalradio] KQ6XA Recommendation IARU Region 2 Bandplan to ARRL

[Dave Wright]

The ARRL deadline for comments/suggestions was April 5th.  I wonder why
Bonnie waited until the very last minute to submit her suggestion to the
ARRL?  Could it be that she anticipated a backlash against the 15%+ proposal
(her suggested band plan gives 50% of 30m to fast/automatic stations!) from
other amateurs that do not share her passion for EMCOMM?  By waiting until
the very last minute, she effectively prevents anyone from commenting
directly for or against her proposal.

Kudos to Bonnie for her political awareness and for knowing how to work the
system.  Now, regardless of the deadline, I'm going to be sure to send in my
two-cents worth.

Dave
K3DCW

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Andy obrien  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: expeditionradio
> Date: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 1:02 AM
> Subject: [WINMOR] KQ6XA Recommendation IARU Region 2 Bandplan to ARRL
> To: win...@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
> If WINMOR/WINLINK operators would like to contact
> the ARRL Bandplan Committee and ARRL officials
> in support of the KQ6XA Recommendation, attached
> below, you may do so by sending an email to
> bandplan2...@arrl.org 
> bandplan2010@ arrl.org
>
> and to your appropriate ARRL Section officers.
>
> You may reference this website containing the
> recommendation with charts and images:
> http://hflink.com/bandplans/iaru_region_2.html
>
> Voicing your support is needed (the sooner, the better)
> for us to build a future for advanced HF
> ham radio communications.
>
> 73 Bonnie Crystal KQ6XA
>
> TO: ARRL BOARD OF DIRECTORS' BAND PLANNING COMMITEE
> REPRESENTING USA FOR IARU REGION 2 BANDPLAN COMMITTEE
> ARRL, NEWINGTON, CT, USA
>
> FROM: BONNIE CRYSTAL KQ6XA,
> International Coordinator, Global ALE High Frequency Network (HFN)
>
> DATE: 05 APRIL 2010
>
> SUBJECT: RECOMMENDATION FOR CHANGE TO IARU REGION 2 BANDPLAN
>
> Dear Band Planning Committee Members,
>
> In response to "ARRL Seeks Input for New IARU Region 2 Band Plan"
> http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2010/03/04/11374/?nc=1
>
> Here is an offering of essential recommendations with a
> carefully researched band segmentation chart, to help
> enable ARRL to represent hams effectively in the process
> of committee deliberations, for the upcoming
> IARU Region 2 Bandplan this year.
>
> INTRODUCTION AND BACKGROUND
> I write to you, as a very active operator in USA's Amateur
> Radio Service, and in my capacity as International Coordinator
> for the Global ALE High Frequency Network, a 24-7-365 interconnected
> network of hams operating simultaneously on all international
> HF bands for the past 3 years. I have presented papers and
> participated in expert panels at Global Amateur Radio
> Emergency Communications (GAREC) and other HF Conferences,
> on the subject of international emergency / disaster
> communications and HF Automatically Controlled Data Station
> innovations. I have worked with groups and nets of digital
> and analog modes to achieve voluntary HF net coordination.
> I maintain a survey of HF band activity and a
> comprehensive up-to-date international ham radio
> bandplanning resource at http://hflink.com/bandplans
>
> MOTIVATION AND HOPE FOR A NEW HF BANDPLAN
> The motivation for this correspondence is the hope that
> the ARRL Representative to IARU Region 2 bandplanning
> committee can work aggressively toward a better bandplan
> this year, especially one that is both compatible
> with USA's FCC Amateur Radio Service rules, and
> designates adequate spectrum space for automatic
> fast data stations. The previous plan had many
> many errors, mostly due to essentially being copied
> from an old IARU Region 1 bandplan, without regard
> to appropriateness for Region 2 hams.
>
> THE EMCOMM BACKBONE: HF AUTOMATICALLY CONTROLLED DATA STATIONS
> HF Automatically Controlled Data Stations have become
> a vital lifeline for many stations in remote areas
> of our IARU Region. The networks of ham operators
> that use and keep these fast data stations on the
> air daily have become the main backbone of
> emergency/disaster HF communications in the North
> American and Caribbean area within recent years. A huge
> community of hams is being served daily by HF data networks,
> especially with email and short text messaging, resulting
> in thousands of contacts per day logged on a steady basis.
> Recent developments in "soundcard ARQ digimodes" has brought
> fast HF data within the budget of almost every ham in the
> Americas. During emergencies or disasters, this fast data
> traffic increases exponentially in the extremely crowded
> automatic bandplan segments.
>
> REGION 2 LEADS WORLD IN HF FAST DIGITAL DATA EMCOMM NETWORKING
> It is a well known fact that IARU Region 2 has a much
> higher use of HF Automatically Controlled Fast Digimode
> traffic than the other IARU Regions (supporting network
> logs are available to the representative on request).
> Due to high speed ARQ, these efficient data communications
> using normal 2700Hz bandw

Re: [digitalradio] KQ6XA Recommendation IARU Region 2 Bandplan to ARRL

[KH6TY]

15% of the HF bands for automatic data stations that serve no more 1% of 
the hams in the US or 0.3% of the hams in the world? I DON'T THINK SO! 
In times of real emergencies, ALL frequencies are available for emcomm.


If you value your DX chasing, ragchewing, or contesting, Please 
reference and comment AGAINST the KQ6XA proposal to take over 15% of the 
ham bands with automatic robot stations that never listen for a clear 
frequency before transmitting.


73 - Skip KH6TY




Andy obrien wrote:
 




-- Forwarded message --
From: *expeditionradio*
Date: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 1:02 AM
Subject: [WINMOR] KQ6XA Recommendation IARU Region 2 Bandplan to ARRL
To: win...@yahoogroups.com 


 


If WINMOR/WINLINK operators would like to contact
the ARRL Bandplan Committee and ARRL officials
in support of the KQ6XA Recommendation, attached
below, you may do so by sending an email to
bandplan2...@arrl.org 
bandplan2010@ arrl.org 

and to your appropriate ARRL Section officers.

You may reference this website containing the
recommendation with charts and images:
http://hflink.com/bandplans/iaru_region_2.html 



Voicing your support is needed (the sooner, the better)
for us to build a future for advanced HF
ham radio communications.

73 Bonnie Crystal KQ6XA

TO: ARRL BOARD OF DIRECTORS' BAND PLANNING COMMITEE
REPRESENTING USA FOR IARU REGION 2 BANDPLAN COMMITTEE
ARRL, NEWINGTON, CT, USA

FROM: BONNIE CRYSTAL KQ6XA,
International Coordinator, Global ALE High Frequency Network (HFN)

DATE: 05 APRIL 2010

SUBJECT: RECOMMENDATION FOR CHANGE TO IARU REGION 2 BANDPLAN

Dear Band Planning Committee Members,

In response to "ARRL Seeks Input for New IARU Region 2 Band Plan"
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2010/03/04/11374/?nc=1 



Here is an offering of essential recommendations with a
carefully researched band segmentation chart, to help
enable ARRL to represent hams effectively in the process
of committee deliberations, for the upcoming
IARU Region 2 Bandplan this year.

INTRODUCTION AND BACKGROUND
I write to you, as a very active operator in USA's Amateur
Radio Service, and in my capacity as International Coordinator
for the Global ALE High Frequency Network, a 24-7-365 interconnected
network of hams operating simultaneously on all international
HF bands for the past 3 years. I have presented papers and
participated in expert panels at Global Amateur Radio
Emergency Communications (GAREC) and other HF Conferences,
on the subject of international emergency / disaster
communications and HF Automatically Controlled Data Station
innovations. I have worked with groups and nets of digital
and analog modes to achieve voluntary HF net coordination.
I maintain a survey of HF band activity and a
comprehensive up-to-date international ham radio
bandplanning resource at http://hflink.com/bandplans 



MOTIVATION AND HOPE FOR A NEW HF BANDPLAN
The motivation for this correspondence is the hope that
the ARRL Representative to IARU Region 2 bandplanning
committee can work aggressively toward a better bandplan
this year, especially one that is both compatible
with USA's FCC Amateur Radio Service rules, and
designates adequate spectrum space for automatic
fast data stations. The previous plan had many
many errors, mostly due to essentially being copied
from an old IARU Region 1 bandplan, without regard
to appropriateness for Region 2 hams.

THE EMCOMM BACKBONE: HF AUTOMATICALLY CONTROLLED DATA STATIONS
HF Automatically Controlled Data Stations have become
a vital lifeline for many stations in remote areas
of our IARU Region. The networks of ham operators
that use and keep these fast data stations on the
air daily have become the main backbone of
emergency/disaster HF communications in the North
American and Caribbean area within recent years. A huge
community of hams is being served daily by HF data networks,
especially with email and short text messaging, resulting
in thousands of contacts per day logged on a steady basis.
Recent developments in "soundcard ARQ digimodes" has brought
fast HF data within the budget of almost every ham in the
Americas. During emergencies or disasters, this fast data
traffic increases exponentially in the extremely crowded
automatic bandplan segments.

REGION 2 LEADS WORLD IN HF FAST DIGITAL DATA EMCOMM NETWORKING
It is a well known fact that IARU Region 2 has a much
higher use of HF Automatically Controlled Fast Digimode
traffic than the other IARU Regions (supporting network
logs are available to the representative on request).
Due to high speed ARQ, these efficient data communications
using normal 2700Hz bandwidths are able for time sharing
spectrum for traffic more effectively than slower digimodes.
However, the previous HF bandplan for Region 2 failed to
designate adequate band