Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

[Phil Barnett]

On Sunday 13 January 2008 08:15:45 pm John Becker, WØJAB wrote:

> The "anti-automatic"  and   "anti-everything-that-is-not-PSK31"
> hams have a very hard time understanding what the rest are doing.

Some of us are just ant-Bully In The Neighborhood.

You simply refuse to recognize that some modes are a bully on the bands.

I'm sure you have rationalized your choice, but that won't change the 
perception.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

[John Becker, WØJAB]

Comments in line

>Your problem, John, is that you are unable to stick to an argument of 
>the issues.  Instead, everything becomes personal with you as evidenced 
>by the above ad hominem remarks.  Disappointing.

Wrong again Roger.
I do pactor as well as RTTY and Amtor.
I can copy each of them modes unlike many that just complain.


>As to how I knew it was a Winlink station and not you, very simple.  1) 
>I doubt that you do Pactor keyboard QSOs more than once in a blue moon 
>(no one does);

Again wrong.

> 2) under the circumstances of the interference, I simply 
>refuse to believe that ANY live operator, including you, would have 
>operated in such a flagrantly inconsiderate manner. 

Maybe the poor guy just did not hear you.
As you may know it's very hard to ask in every mode known if
the frequency is busy.

But I feel that you just have this hate for the wide modes.

The "anti-automatic"  and   "anti-everything-that-is-not-PSK31"
hams have a very hard time understanding what the rest are doing.

Number one reason - because they CAN'T copy it with their sound card.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

[Roger J. Buffington]

John Becker, WØJAB wrote:
>
>  At 08:14 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote:
> > Twice in the last seven days I have had QSOs disrupted by a Pactor
> > Winlink station firing up on top of my QSO. Fortunately, both times
> > I turned the power way up (from about 40 watts to 200 watts) and we
> > were able to work through it.
>
>  Roger - how do you know it's WinLink stations and not me and K0ABC in
>  a keyboard to keyboard QSO?
>
>  I know you have had a anit-wide rant for a long long time. But it's
>  really be showing more and more in the last 2 weeks.

Your problem, John, is that you are unable to stick to an argument of 
the issues.  Instead, everything becomes personal with you as evidenced 
by the above ad hominem remarks.  Disappointing.

As to how I knew it was a Winlink station and not you, very simple.  1) 
I doubt that you do Pactor keyboard QSOs more than once in a blue moon 
(no one does); 2) under the circumstances of the interference, I simply 
refuse to believe that ANY live operator, including you, would have 
operated in such a flagrantly inconsiderate manner.  I sure hope that 
this helped your thinking, John.

de Roger W6VZV

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

[John Becker, WØJAB]

At 08:14 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote:
> Twice in the last seven days 
>I have had QSOs disrupted by a Pactor Winlink station firing up on top 
>of my QSO.  Fortunately, both times I turned the power way up (from 
>about 40 watts to 200 watts) and we were able to work through it. 


Roger - how do you know it's WinLink stations and not me and K0ABC
in a keyboard to keyboard QSO?


I know you have had a anit-wide rant for a long long time. But it's
really be showing more and more in the last 2 weeks.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

[John Becker, WØJAB]

At 08:05 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote:
>This is getting ridiculous!  It takes me nearly 10 seconds to say
>"This is AA5J   Is the frequency in use?"

In what mode?

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

[Box SisteenHundred]

Exactly...  they *just* don't get it  

Bill  KA8VIT


> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
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> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:22:37 -0500
> Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
> 
> Look at it this way - NO transmissions without listening first, either ALE 
> soundings, beacons, or mailboxes of any kind, are permissible on the 
> *shared* HF amateur bands, except in designated beacon areas or the 
> automatic subbands ( where it is presumed by the FCC to occur, since 
> unattended stations do not, and cannot, listen first for any other activity 
> within range of the unattended station).
> 
> It does not matter how short a time the unattended interference signal is on 
> either. If it disrupts a QSO, it is *too long*.
> 
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> 
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

[Roger J. Buffington]

expeditionradio wrote:

>
>  This is simply childish backlash directed at me personally because I
>  opposed the Digital Stone Age Petition. It really has nothing at all
>  to do with HFLINK or ALE. It will go away.
>
>  Bonnie KQ6XA

Actually, what is childish is the never-ending assertion by Winlink 
advocates that they can and should be allowed to operate in a fashion 
involving transmitting without listening.  Twice in the last seven days 
I have had QSOs disrupted by a Pactor Winlink station firing up on top 
of my QSO.  Fortunately, both times I turned the power way up (from 
about 40 watts to 200 watts) and we were able to work through it.  (QRO 
can come in handy when it comes to Pactor.)  But the Pactor station's 
actions were as illegal as heck.  This sort of thing needs to be put 
down by the FCC and I trust that it will be.

As boaters and RVers get Wi Fi access to the internet more and more, 
Pactor will die out.  As it should.

de Roger W6VZV

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

[Chuck Mayfield]

This is getting ridiculous!  It takes me nearly 10 seconds to say
"This is AA5J   Is the frequency in use?"

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

[Patricia (Elaine) Gibbons]

 
That's the way I look at it, Bill ... 
 

 
A sounding message is simply the station's callsign as the ALE ID,
and soundings are only done if the station has an operator present,
otherwise, the unattended stations are simply scanning the channels
on the HFlink netplan, and only respond if called by another station.. 
 
As far as the sounding messages, they are no different than coming 
up on the air in any other mode and saying  " .. This is wa6ube..." .. 
 

As Rodney King would say ... " Why can't we all just get along !!" ... 

 
 
 
Elaine 

--
Patricia (Elaine) Gibbons
WA6UBE / AAR9JA
http://www.qrz.com/wa6ube 

 

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From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink



Hard to discern what is actually happening; seems like a tempest in a
teapot.

73,

Bill N9DSJ

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