Re: [digitalradio] Continuing evolution of HF Ham radio communications:

2008-01-14 Thread bruce mallon
Elaine

You really know how to make Friends with comments like
 STONE AGE .

Seems to me that the ones dragging there knuckles on
the ground are those who fail to accept the fact that
there are other things but using the ham bands for
E-MAIL 

When you start to act like others exist and they have
rights too try again 

BTW .

I DON'T DO CODE . but have a open mind for thoes
who do ...


--- Patricia (Elaine) Gibbons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  
 Regarding the continuing vocal disagreement (and
 flame-wars)  between the 
 live chat operators, Morse operators, and the 
 BBS/Winlink or ALE network operators:
  
 Two HF bands are discussed below as examples of
 possible ongoing 
 evolution throughout the amateur radio service's
 spectrum allocations


 
  
 There is some history that relates to the popularity
 and use of various
 non-Morse
 operations prior to year 1995,  and now .  Non-Morse
 operation in the past 
 was only live keyboard to keyboard mode until the
 innovative spirit of
 amateur 
 radio operators realized the value of ARQ modes for
 error-free message 
 handling, starting first with HF Packet forwarding. 
 
  
 Back in the stone age of amateur radio, and before
 the advent of
 sound-card modes, 
 the prevailing location for Amtor and pactor was
 specifically between 
 14070 and 14080, with 14080 to 14099 being for RTTY
 operations. 
  
 Back in this Stone age,  40 meter Amtor/pactor was
 allocated to the 
 7070 to 7080 KHz segment, and RTTY operations from
 7080 to 7099 KHz  
  
 As time passed, fewer individual stations were using
 Amtor/pactor/G-tor for
 live-chat, which left primarily the pactor stations
 being used for BBS
 mailboxes
 and message forwarding ... This change in usage was
 primarily due to the  
 preference of radio amateurs to adopt less-costly
 methods of digital
 communications
 that did not require the investment of $300 or more
 for multi-mode TNC's
 of the time such as the early versions of the
 Kantronics KAM; MFJ-1278, and 
 AEA PK-232 hardware modems.  
  
 A solution to the interference problem between ARQ
 modes and widely popular
  sound-card, and other types of Live chat modes
 using data
 communications 
 would be to migrate live-chat operations farther
 down the band, such as 
  
 7050 to 7070 , and 14050 to 14070   
  
 Due to the elimination of Morse code as a
 requirement for an amateur radio
 license, it is likely in the future that the
 current use of the
 RTTY/DATA
 bands would be inverted in usage, i.e. Morse code
 operations would
 *primarily*
 be in a more narrowly-defined sub band, while data
 modes would exist over a
 much
 larger band segment in each amateur radio band than
 Morse operations ... 
  
 On a legal basis, Morse operations would continue to
 have access to the 
 full allocation of each amateur radio HF band... 
  
 This may ruffle the feathers of the old-timers,
 however Morse code will 
 still be of major importance as a very simple and
 manual mode of
 communications
 when more robust modes are not available.. Morse
 code will also remain
 important
 in the future as a part of living history ... 
  
 It is likely in the future that, for example, Morse
 operations may be in the
 
 14000 to 14050 segment, and data modes between 14050
 and 14099 
 and 14101 to 14120 KHz, while Morse operations on 40
 meters may 
 be between 7000 to 7050Khz with RTTY/data between
 7050 and 7150KHz. 
  
 Message forwarding operations would likely be toward
 the upper-portions of
 the 
 RTTY/DATA bands, while manual, Live chat
 operations would be farther down 
 in frequency with respect to the BBS/forwarding
 stations
 (whether they are Winlink or other modes yet to be
 developed) 
  
 Flame on this idea if you wish, however robust
 live-chat sound-card modes,
 ARQ messaging modes, and Automatic Link
 Establishment (ALE) 
 modes will all gain increased popularity,
 acceptance, and adoption because
 of their more efficient and reliable communication
 capabilities as compared
 to 
 manual and non-keyboard modes .. 
  
 Elaine ... 
 
 --
 Patricia (Elaine) Gibbons
 WA6UBE / AAR9JA
 http://www.qrz.com/wa6ube 
 Being a bush pilot does not
 mean that I care much for our President !!
 
 



  

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Re: [digitalradio] Continuing evolution of HF Ham radio communications:

2008-01-14 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 07:26 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote:

Seems to me that the ones dragging there knuckles on
the ground are those who fail to accept the fact that
there are other things but using the ham bands for
E-MAIL 


Bruce
If I may - here is one of the so called email that you referred to.

this message was from a ham at sea from last week.
It looked just like a message from the ARRL system.

look at all of hams at sea there at this URL

http://winlink.org/positions/PosReports.aspx


This message text just said:
Should arrive Sydney within 48 hours on the 
8th.

Addressed
St. Paul, MN
phone number 
e mail address.

Just like a ARRL message it has an email address attached just
in case that last station is not close and will not have to make
a toll call.

Can you tell me why you think that all the messages passed on the 
winlink system is email?

Why do I feel that you have *never* copied any of this traffic and are
just going by what you read or have been told? That's too bad because
neither have the people you have been listing too.

John, W0JAB