Re: [digitalradio] Re: Broken PC question

2008-12-22 Thread Ben W
I'm surprised you're not getting any Beeps out of the POST 
(Power On Self Test)
Did it Beep during normal boot up during the POST tests, 
before it had it's fall?

You mentioned that the fans are running and the CD is 
getting power..

Is the fan on the CPU working?
Check to see if the connector for the CPU fan is connected 
back to the motherboard, if it is running and is connected 
back to the motherboard for power then mother board is 
getting some power.

Before you get a Video card to try  One way to determine 
if the PC is coming up or not is to perform a shutdown 
blindly.

If running XP or Windows 2000 on my 3 reguarlly used PCs 
(1 at work and 2 at home) hitting the windows key on the 
left side of the keyboard brings up the windows menu, then 
Arrow up 1 time selects "Shutdown" and hitting enter once 
or twice sends it ot it's way to shutdown mode.

Another way is hit "[alt][cntl][delete]" which brings up a 
dialog box and hitting "s" for showtdown followed by 
"[Enter]"

Of course this depends on what programs may load on boot 
up requiring intervention in the shutdown process.

If same OS on the problematic machine and the one you're 
using here for email, Give that a shot on the working PC 
then try on the dead one.

If the PC is booting up, and performing the shutdown turns 
it off, then you can say it's something with the video.
Perhaps the Video connector got stressed and cracked at/in 
the Video connector between where it passes through the 
case / and connects to the motherboard.

73 Ben - ne5B



On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:56:12 -
  "John Taylor"  wrote:
> Andy, this sounds more like the power connection between 
>the power
> supply and the motherboard is loose. Each of the devices 
>you mention
> gets power through a separate cable and can mechanically 
>operate
> regardless of the motherboard status. If the motherboard 
>is not
> getting power, the onboard video will not be powered, 
>therefore
> leaving "no signal" from the video board.
> One thing to check is to see if any of the devices 
>receiving power
> from the motherboard directly rather than from the power 
>supply are
> functioning. One of the common items is the CPU fan. Is 
>the CPU
> cooling fan operating? If not, there is a chance the 
>connector
> supplying power to the motherboard is loose or 
>disconnected. On older
> machines, this is actually two connectors, but on most 
>later ones, it
> is known as an ATX connector and is all in one 
>connector. Make sure it
> is latched down with the clip on the side. Make sure 
>none of the pins
> on the motherboard did not become unsoldered or broken 
>loose from the
> motherboard from the shock of the fall (or the sudden 
>stop at the
> bottom of the fall).
> 
> John - KE5HAM
> 
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andy obrien" 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, I switched monitors and monitor cables to ones 
>>that are known to
>> be working...NO signal to the monitor at all.  The 
>>monitor is working,
>> just no signal.  The PC turns on, the CD ROM drive opens 
>>and closes
>> upon pressing the button , so something on the PC is 
>>working.  Since
>> the video is on the motherboard I am not sure if there 
>>is anything to
>> poke and prod, nothing obvious anyway.  I wiggled the 
>>monitor
>> connector to no avail.
>> 
>> Maybe I'll pick up a cheap video grahics card and see if 
>>that will
>> work, knowing my luck it may not work until I get inside 
>>the BIOS and
>> switch from the onboard video to PCI card.  I'd be 
>>really stuck then.
>> Mayne I'll remove the HD and stick in another PC.
>> 
>> Andy K3UK
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Andy obrien 
>> wrote:
>> > Thanks for the suggestions, I suspect a monitor 
>>related issue.  I just
>> > put in a Linux boot disk (FL-Digi) and I do not even 
>>get a signal to
>> > the monitor, nothing displayed at all, same when i try 
>>to boot the HD
>> > with Windows XP. .  The video is on the motherboard so 
>>there is no
>> > video CARD to reseat.  I'm going to switch video 
>>cables and see if it
>> > is a cable issue.
>> >
>> > Andy K3UK
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Andrew  
>>wrote:
>> >> Andy,
>> >>
>> >> I would suggest reseating (thats seat not set!) all 
>>the cards,
>> >> especially the memory chips. Had that one before 
>>myself.
>> >>
>> >> If that fails I would guess the HD might has taken 
>>the knock.
>> >>
>> >> Andrew
>> >> LY/ES2DY
>> >>
>> >> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" 
>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Please excuse the non-radio question...
>> >>>
>> >>> We have a PC that just stopped working, looking for 
>>some possible
>> >>> ideas. The PC (a desk top) was knocked over by a 
>>frustrated
>> >> teenager
>> >>> , when plugged back in the power light comes back on 
>>but nothing is
>> >>> seen by the monitor , no Windows attempting to boot 
>>or anything, no
>> >>> beep codes. The fans are going, I do not see the HD 
>>LED light up,
>> >>> and after a few s

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Broken PC question

2008-12-22 Thread Andy obrien
Hmmm, I switched monitors and monitor cables to ones that are known to
be working...NO signal to the monitor at all.  The monitor is working,
just no signal.  The PC turns on, the CD ROM drive opens and closes
upon pressing the button , so something on the PC is working.  Since
the video is on the motherboard I am not sure if there is anything to
poke and prod, nothing obvious anyway.  I wiggled the monitor
connector to no avail.

Maybe I'll pick up a cheap video grahics card and see if that will
work, knowing my luck it may not work until I get inside the BIOS and
switch from the onboard video to PCI card.  I'd be really stuck then.
Mayne I'll remove the HD and stick in another PC.

Andy K3UK


On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Andy obrien  wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, I suspect a monitor related issue.  I just
> put in a Linux boot disk (FL-Digi) and I do not even get a signal to
> the monitor, nothing displayed at all, same when i try to boot the HD
> with Windows XP. .  The video is on the motherboard so there is no
> video CARD to reseat.  I'm going to switch video cables and see if it
> is a cable issue.
>
> Andy K3UK
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Andrew  wrote:
>> Andy,
>>
>> I would suggest reseating (thats seat not set!) all the cards,
>> especially the memory chips. Had that one before myself.
>>
>> If that fails I would guess the HD might has taken the knock.
>>
>> Andrew
>> LY/ES2DY
>>
>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Please excuse the non-radio question...
>>>
>>> We have a PC that just stopped working, looking for some possible
>>> ideas. The PC (a desk top) was knocked over by a frustrated
>> teenager
>>> , when plugged back in the power light comes back on but nothing is
>>> seen by the monitor , no Windows attempting to boot or anything, no
>>> beep codes. The fans are going, I do not see the HD LED light up,
>>> and after a few seconds at boot-up, I hear a slight click like the
>> HD
>>> is trying without success. If the HD has gone kaput, would I not
>> get
>>> some indication from the PC rather than just nothing at all ?
>>>
>>> Andy K3UK
>>>
>>
>> 
>


Re: [digitalradio] Re: Broken PC question

2008-12-22 Thread Andy obrien
Thanks for the suggestions, I suspect a monitor related issue.  I just
put in a Linux boot disk (FL-Digi) and I do not even get a signal to
the monitor, nothing displayed at all, same when i try to boot the HD
with Windows XP. .  The video is on the motherboard so there is no
video CARD to reseat.  I'm going to switch video cables and see if it
is a cable issue.

Andy K3UK



On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Andrew  wrote:
> Andy,
>
> I would suggest reseating (thats seat not set!) all the cards,
> especially the memory chips. Had that one before myself.
>
> If that fails I would guess the HD might has taken the knock.
>
> Andrew
> LY/ES2DY
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Please excuse the non-radio question...
>>
>> We have a PC that just stopped working, looking for some possible
>> ideas. The PC (a desk top) was knocked over by a frustrated
> teenager
>> , when plugged back in the power light comes back on but nothing is
>> seen by the monitor , no Windows attempting to boot or anything, no
>> beep codes. The fans are going, I do not see the HD LED light up,
>> and after a few seconds at boot-up, I hear a slight click like the
> HD
>> is trying without success. If the HD has gone kaput, would I not
> get
>> some indication from the PC rather than just nothing at all ?
>>
>> Andy K3UK
>>
>
>