Re: [digitalradio] Re: Standard sideband for digi modes?

2008-01-05 Thread Jose A. Amador

MultiPSK also has a reverse button for QPSK modes.

Jose, CO2JA

Demetre SV1UY wrote:

 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 [snip]
 And don't forget that really it does not matter if you use USB or LSB
 and you can always flick the REVERSE SWITCH. This is true for all
 narrow digital modes with the exception of QPSK31.
 [snip] 
 73 de Demetre SV1UY

 
 I forgot to mention that the REVERSE SWITCH is only present in RTTY,
 the other narrow modes (except QPSK31) do not care what sideband you
 are on.
 
 73 de Demetre SV1UY


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Re: [digitalradio] Re: Standard sideband for digi modes?

2008-01-01 Thread Rick
The only time you would need specific tones as Demetre mentions below, 
is if you have filters that are preset for those tones. This is the way 
it used to be in the past with one filter tuned for the mark frequency 
and the other for the shift frequency offset. Mostly that was 
standardized with a 170 Hz shift in later years. Early equipment had 850 
Hz and commercial equipment often used 425 Hz. So having different 
filter combinations from the standard ones was not practical since 
they were tuned and fixed as best you could get them and each discrete 
filter was relatively expensive.

In the late 1970's the integrated circuit made it much easier to build 
filters that were easily adjustable with a potentiometer instead of 
adding and subtracting capacitors from an array of 88 mH and /or 44 mH 
toroids (remember those!). One of my early homebrew TU's used the 
XR-2206 tone generator and XR-2211 tone decoder. Not as good as the 
older equipment, but incredibly compact, inexpensive, low voltages, etc. 
Until packet radio wiped out VHF RTTY in our area, I used that TU with a 
Model 15 teleprinter for local contacts through our RTTY regenerative 
repeater.

Today the filter is often in the software program you are running on 
your computer and it no longer matters what the tones are. You move the 
cursor along the waterfall to place your signal or to decode the signal 
and the mark tone may be 500 Hz, 1214 Hz, 2001Hz, but it could even be 
2125 Hz if you so choose and want to tune the rig so that the tone is at 
that point. But it is not necessary to do this as long as the 
relationship (the shift) remains proper at 170 Hz for most cases, and 
with the mark tone high, as it relates to FSK. With AFSK and using a 
different sideband things are a bit reversed, but as I mentioned 
earlier, the programmers have mostly standardized on leaving the rig on 
USB if using AFSK and they make the tones work correctly as if you were 
actually transmitting FSK with mark high.

73,

Rick, KV9U


Demetre SV1UY wrote:
 For RTTY whoever uses the American Tones (Mark 2125Hz - Space 2295Hz)
 always uses LSB, whereus if you used the European Tones (Space 1275Hz
 - Mark 1445Hz) you have to use USB so that the 2 systems are
 compatible to each other. 

 All my old homemade terminal units were using the European Tones so I
 always used USB. 

 I always favoured the European Tones because they were chosen more
 wisely to be in the center of the passband of the crystal filter of
 the old transceivers that only had an SSB crystal filter and also
 because I liked to listen to the sound around 1360 Hz (the center of
 the European Tones) while tuning and and afterwards during the QSO. It
 is a more natural sound to me. Whenever I heard the higher tones that
 the american terminal units used, I always ended up with a headache.

 Of course f you did not follow this norm, you could always switch your
 tones the other way around with the REVERSE SWITCH that all terminals
 used to have incase someone was not using the correct combination. Is
 you notice at the tones I described in the first paragraph, the
 Americans tones are Mark-Space where the Europeans always are Space-Mark.

 Now with the soundcard programs usually they tell you to use 1500 HZ
 as a center frequency and use USB. Of course if everybody follows this
 protocol there is no problem. Some soundcard programs have a SOFTWARE
 REVERSE SWITCH so that you can change it in case there is any
 incompatibility in the tone pairs.

 73 de Demetre SV1UY


   



Re: [digitalradio] Re: Standard sideband for digi modes?

2008-01-01 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
And MFSK, Olivia, and Domino EX.   They are (or can be) =500Hz.
Leigh/WA5ZNU
  and you can always flick the REVERSE SWITCH. This is true for all
  narrow digital modes with the exception of QPSK31.
 [snip]
  73 de Demetre SV1UY


 I forgot to mention that the REVERSE SWITCH is only present in RTTY,
 the other narrow modes (except QPSK31) do not care what sideband you
 are on.

 73 de Demetre SV1UY