Re: [digitalradio] Re: another non- contest on a no contest band
Hi AllSSB is allowed by all countries on 30m.. SSB stands for Single Side Band and is a form of modulation and not a Mode as suggested by some.many people use SSB to mean Speech or Voice which is a Mode and a misuse of the term SSB. RTTY is sent in LSB or Lower Side Band form of SSBmost digital modes are USB another form of SSB.all allowed on 30m. i think you will find in most Amateur Radio Regulations of all countries that Voice or Speech is donated as such and not SSB Yes i know this is a usage hangover from the 'wars' between ops of AM and SSB but by now should be buried and the terms used correctly.AM Voice or SSB Voicejust as the new technology is being called Digital Voice The misuse of terms is also confusing to new hams who in classes are taught correctly.. I know im going to get some flames for this but who cares...i dont as it is correct 73 David VK4BDJ Laurent Laborde wrote: 2008/4/12, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dhobson123%40aol.com: What would you suggest David to promote the 30 Meter band? I'm all ears and you can list all your ideas here or email me direct if you wish. Simple. The 30m band don't need any promotion :) I like and use 30m because : - There is no contest - There is no SSB - There is no CW pile-up with tons of OMG CQ D FFS 59 KTHXBYE running on overstressed KiloWatt-class amp (who said CW had no bandwidth ? :p ) - lot of QRPer, fuzzy mode, Visual MEPT, ... - in 1 word : peacefull band :) The 30m band have many unofficial (a real gentlman agreement) sub-sub-sub-band. And bringing people that are not used to the lovely 30m band is a bad idea. I love the idea to promote QRP, QRPp, unusual digital mode. And the 30m band is perfect for that. The 30m is perfect for that, exactly because there is no event, no contest, no pile-up, no DX chasing, ... Well, because it's quiet and there is a lot of free bandwidth for experimentation. I don't know about other country, but the french law explain in the radioamateur definition that you can transmit ONLY for learning purpose and technical experimentation. Event, Contest, ... shouldn't happen. It is, of course, totally ignored by most operator. But i'd like to keep the 30m for learning purpose and experimentation... as it's supposed to be on every band. That's why i'm personally against this non-contest/event/weekend. And about the bring it on. It look like a random signature from his mail client. *hugs* -- F4FQM Kerunix Flan Laurent Laborde
Re: [digitalradio] Re: another non- contest on a no contest band
2008/4/12, David [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes i know this is a usage hangover from the 'wars' between ops of AM and SSB but by now should be buried and the terms used correctly.AM Voice or SSB Voicejust as the new technology is being called Digital Voice And SSB voice is AM :) Ah ! Next time i'll use A3E, J3E, A1A, ... intead of keeping it simple and writing AM, SSB, CW, ... -- F4FQM Kerunix Flan Laurent Laborde
Re: [digitalradio] Re: another non- contest on a no contest band
If it's a ham band and open why not use it for whatever? After all a contest is only 24 or 48 hours. John
Re: [digitalradio] Re: another non- contest on a no contest band
Don As one of the moderators of this list let you thank you for you post stating what I really can't. BTW - I did sent him a note saying that we really don't need the screw you comment. John, W0JAB At 09:04 PM 4/11/2008, you wrote: David WD4KPD, I guess the bring it on means you want a response. I noticed reading many of your replies that you leave these types of remarks below your name/call when you reply to message posts to get a point across for what ever reason so I can only assume by what you have listed before on other posts you want me to respond or as you say bring it on. I for one want to let you know that I did NOT provoke a response like you have given me but my post was in good and positive spirit of Ham Radio. I also did NOT post the 30 Meter Digital QRP Weekend to be belittled by you or anyone else you have voiced your opinion and I can't change that nor will I try but by you voicing it publicly you are trying to sway others in your views they will have to decide what is right and wrong or what they agree or disagree with according to facts so far the facts are not on the Internet but by listening to the great bunch of digital ops on the 30 Meter band that have no intentions of contesting on the 30 Meter band. If you don't mind David I will answer your post publicly since you were so fast at responding to my message post that again didn't warrant such a reply you have given it but then again you have your own opinions so that is a right no one can take away and many have died for you to have that right here in the good old USA. for all intents and purposes, this non-contest is still a contest ..Right from the start your reply message changes my message post from a 30 Meter Digital QRP Weekend to ANOTHER NON-CONTEST ON A NO CONTEST BAND is of a mean spirited nature and negative and I'm not sure why that is but that is your call (many times I just use my delete key if not intersted)for those of you that do decide to work the 30 Meter Digital QRP Weekend on April 19/20 you are going to be very disappointed if you are looking for a contest. All you are going to find is a bunch of really nice digital ops making casual contacts, experimenting with low power, long ragchews and DX if the band allowsyou will NOT find is any rules on about a contest because there is no contest no rules for exchange no time limits ..no points .no logs are requested to be sent in for any contest prize for the weekend because there are none .the only winners are those that participate and have fun. there is a sponsor .a sponsor is one that spends money maybe on a contest or something and I guess would give out prizes for those winners and might gain something from all this. Again we might be putting the word out to give 30 Meters a try and we do hope for more Hams to participate on the 30 Meter band so that is true (could care less if they join the 30MDG because our main focus or goal is to have an increase awareness and usage of digital modes on 30 Meters if they join in 30MDG so be it but not our goal) ..having fun on Ham Radio is FREE and we don't spend any money on FREE fun again there is no winner for the most contacts or having the most points on the QRP Weekend because again David there are no points, contest like exchanges or contact limits and good luck on having fast contacts because there is a nice bunch of long winded ragchew digital operators on the 30 Meter band so you will have a hard time getting to that next contact very quickly even if you wanted to. and bragging rights are earned by contesters in the organization .oh really? I think bragging about how far a QRP signal may go or who hears your low power signal and maybe how many contacts you make using low power and to what areas of the World those contacts are made is what we do all the time, right? You David post your MEPT reports and I don't think that is contesting on 30 Meters yet it is bragging of sorts and very informative (thanks for doing that by the way). BTW, we are NOT an organization but a group of average `Joe digital operators just having fun on the 30 Meter band. I agree though there are some contesters in our group and some darn good ones, I understand you don't like contesting and that is fine and you have that right to not like it as I'm not much on contesting myself but even though there are contesters in our group doesn't mean they are contesting on the 30 Meter band in fact just the opposite as I think from reading the mail on many of them since 30 Meters is a WARC band and a NO CONTEST band they seems to like this place to come to and ragchew and get to know other Hams vs when on the other bands getting hammered by folks just needing a fast contact and 599 report to get them in the log and sometimes QRM'd to the degree they couldn't carry on a good ragchew if they wanted to. it may be legal .yes it is legal to use the 30 Meter Band (we are secondary users should give way to gov/com'l
Re: [digitalradio] Re: another non- contest on a no contest band
Sorry all that was meant to go direct.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: another non- contest on a no contest band
John Becker, WØJAB wrote: Sorry all that was meant to go direct. Some of us lurkers appreciate that it did not. Tim, N9PUZ
Re: [digitalradio] Re: another non- contest on a no contest band
2008/4/12, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What would you suggest David to promote the 30 Meter band? I'm all ears and you can list all your ideas here or email me direct if you wish. Simple. The 30m band don't need any promotion :) I like and use 30m because : - There is no contest - There is no SSB - There is no CW pile-up with tons of OMG CQ D FFS 59 KTHXBYE running on overstressed KiloWatt-class amp (who said CW had no bandwidth ? :p ) - lot of QRPer, fuzzy mode, Visual MEPT, ... - in 1 word : peacefull band :) The 30m band have many unofficial (a real gentlman agreement) sub-sub-sub-band. And bringing people that are not used to the lovely 30m band is a bad idea. I love the idea to promote QRP, QRPp, unusual digital mode. And the 30m band is perfect for that. The 30m is perfect for that, exactly because there is no event, no contest, no pile-up, no DX chasing, ... Well, because it's quiet and there is a lot of free bandwidth for experimentation. I don't know about other country, but the french law explain in the radioamateur definition that you can transmit ONLY for learning purpose and technical experimentation. Event, Contest, ... shouldn't happen. It is, of course, totally ignored by most operator. But i'd like to keep the 30m for learning purpose and experimentation... as it's supposed to be on every band. That's why i'm personally against this non-contest/event/weekend. And about the bring it on. It look like a random signature from his mail client. *hugs* -- F4FQM Kerunix Flan Laurent Laborde
