Re: [digitalradio] Re: [multipsk] ALE 400 coming out of the woodwork

[H Stang]

Hi Phil,

Thanks for my first contact. 

 I couldn't believe it!  This past two weeks I have made my first 
Olivia,Contestia,Hell (I worked PSK31 for a good while 2 years ago) . I work 
the Votar contest 6 contacts  LOL.  Worked the Hell contest Saturday morning  
13 contacts.  I am moving upward.  This of course does not reflect , antenna 
building,Macro's etc. testing to dummy load by countless hours.

Now the story behind ALE 400:

I saw all the email here on ALE 400. Went to dummy load tested for the  sound.  
I never heard if before.

 I have more time in the dummy load than on the air   LOL!.  -

Being New to digital modes. 

 I am in the middle of a Olivia QSO (I have the Solomon Reed ID on plus the 
rest of them - I clicked them all) Bingo my QSO flips to ALE 400 - HEY! this is 
"neat" I am in ALE 400.  I had figured that the other ham had flipped over to 
the other mode.  I didn't know how transmitt, call, send or what to do -  LOL 
got to love it.  

That started me reading on ALE 400.  Then everybody on the reflector said Tony 
has this great article.  WHERE  I said.  Finally got my QST and NCJ magazine.  
HELLO there was the article.  Thanks Tony it was a great article.  (still 
working on "Auxillary"  HI! )  Now I am really pumped. I spent months getting 
things setup for RTTY.  AFSK/FSK /RTS /CTS/DTR  ??? . But it has worked out.

Phil, thanks for my first ALE 400 contact and your patience.  I think I hit the 
"End" button several times.  LOL/HI  and sorry I was so "liddy" .  It reminded 
me on my first CW contacts as a Novice. It was a lot of fun.

Phil,  have a great week ,  hope to work you soon, 73 and thanks again.

Hal Stang
WD4MDA
Hellschrieber #: FD 2599
wd4...@comcast.net
Jacksonville FL


  - Original Message - 
  From: Andy obrien 
  To: multi...@yahoogroups.com ; digitalradio 
  Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:21 PM
  Subject: [digitalradio] Re: [multipsk] ALE 400 coming out of the woodwork




  "KE1AF DE WD4MDA MY NAME IS HAL QTH IS JACKSONVILLE FL NEW ON THIS MODE FIRST 
CONTACT. CALL IS WD4MDA WD4MDA KA1GMN DE N4HO go od afternoon ...name is phil 
and i am located in euless,texas. "

  Another new one...





  


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Re: [digitalradio] Re: [multipsk] Re: Multimode Madness Hours May 3 1300-1400 and 2300-000 UTC

[Mike Blazek]

Unfortunately, I didn't have much luck. Propagation didn't cooperate at 
all for the first segment, and I wasn't able to work the second segment. 
Oh well, there's always next weekend!

73,
Mike N5UKZ


Andy obrien wrote:
>
>
> Thanks to all those that tried. Nice to hear the 20m segment busy
> with odd sounding modes. The form for results is at
>
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=cnRnbThrWFZvMEVwcFVjSmpwVHlGS3c6MA..
>  
> 
>
> Let me know if you have any difficulty posting your scores.
>
> The morning session was quiet but hear a few signals at the 2300 
> madness hour.
>
> RSID was fun, very helpful. MFSK16/8, Olivia and DominoEX seemed to
> be the most common and most effective for the few Qs I had. Chip 64
> and MT63 seemed to fail with people that could copy me on Dominoex or
> Olivia.
>
> I think for the next Multimode Madness, I will amend the rules to
> limit QSOs with same call sign on same band to no more than 3 modes.
> Also perhaps no more that three speed changes with a particular mode
> (e.g PSK . Dominoex, Olivia maximum of three settings per band).
>
> How did you all do ?
>
> Andy
>
> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Andy obrien  > wrote:
> > OK  Juergen, nice to hear from you as always.  I will changed NEXT
> > Sunday to be 1300-1400 and then 2100-2200 UTC.I will keep it 2300
> > UTC for today.
> >
> >
> > Today, as I was calling CQ Multimode Madness using Multipsk, another
> > station using RSID switched me over to DominoEX.  The fun thing about
> > a Madness Hour is that using  Rx RS ID and multipsk, we can do things
> > like that!  Crazy but fun..
> >
> > Andy K3UK
> >
> > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:30 AM, dl8le  > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> A good idea, Andy! I hope this will increase the activity in 
> digital modes
> >> like Olivia, MFSK etc.. There is only one proposal:
> >>
> >> 2300 UTC is extremely late in EU. Could 2100 UTC be an alternative for
> >> future activies? I would believe that May 3 should not be the first 
> and only
> >> Sunday for this activity.
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> Juergen, DL8LE
> >>
> >> --- In multi...@yahoogroups.com 
> , Andy obrien  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Date and time : 1300 to 1400 UTC and 2300- UTC Each UTC Sunday
> >>>
> >>> Modes: Any digital modes EXCEPT standard RTTY , PSK31, QPSK31 , and
> >>> CW. See below for full details
> >>>
> >>> Exchange : Call sign and RST
> >>>
> >>> Bands : Any authorized digital portions of 80, 40. 20, 15, or 10 are
> >>> allowed . To foster more interaction, 14077 to 14080 and 7036-7038
> >>> are encouraged if allowed in your country. Please avoid traditional
> >>> PSK31 frequencies and ALE sounding frequencies.
> >>>
> >>> Power : 100 watts and under .
> >>>
> >>> Suggested CQ : "CQ MMH" or "CQ Multimode Madness Hour"
> >>>
> >>> Points: 5 points per QSO
> >>>
> >>> Multipliers: Modes worked.
> >>>
> >>> Scoring: Total QSO x modes worked
> >>>
> >>> e.g 10 QSO = 50 points x six different modes successfully worked = 300
> >>> points
> >>>
> >>> You may work each station once PER mode
> >>>
> >>> Other : Use of RS-ID is encouraged.
> >>>
> >>> Submit Scores to
> >>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rtgm8kXVo0EppUcJjpTyFKw 
> 
> >>>
> >>> * Modes with varying speeds, or number of tones, DO count as
> >>> different modes but "reverse" settings DO NOT. Example, Olivia
> >>> 500/16 and 500/8 would count as two different modes but
> >>> reverse/inverse MFSK16 or Olivia would not count.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> 

Re: [digitalradio] Re: multipsk

[Ken Hucksoll]

we are without internet for a few days...I did read your guide but am a slw 
learner...figured out my multipsk problemappreciate the response.it 
will be next week before we have good internet.. .thank you for your helpat 
that time I will ask a few more questionsI have a Icom-703 comming to 
replace the scout 555...have a nice weekend..Ken N5LYJ/5

--- On Thu, 3/19/09, Andrew O'Brien  wrote:

From: Andrew O'Brien 
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: multipsk
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 7:15 AM












--- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, "skip19755"  
wrote:

>

> can not figure out my problemusing MULTIPSK...do you have to purchase it 
> before you can xmit on JT65??? It RX greatbut can not figure out how to 
> TXworks on RTTY and PSK...I know the program has limitations for non 
> registered users...while on the other hand...using K1JT program can not RX 
> but can TXI have another radio coming but on 20 meters what I have should 
> be FB...Thank You Ken N5LYJ/5

>



No, u can use Multipsk in JT65A without a Multipsk license.  However be aware 
that the program is designed so that ur transmit begins at the top of the 
minute.  Did you read my guide to JT65A via WSJT ?



http://www.obriensw eb.com/bozoguide jt65a.htm



Andy K3UK




 

  




 

















  

Re: [digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A

[Patrick Lindecker]

Hello Skip,

Not too bad this ARQ FAE QSO monitoring. In ARQ modes in general (especially 
in AMTOR ARQ),  it is a bit difficult to understand the message (due to 
retries and lack of decoding).

73
Patrick


- Original Message - 
From: "kh6ty" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A


> John, Rick,
>
> Copied the following on 3584.5, 1631.1 Hz. It might help to specify the 
> tone
> frequency next time. Not sure I every copied John on my end.
>
>
>
> CQ KV9U>VE5MU CQ KV9U>VE5MU CQ KV9U>VE5MU CQ KV9U>VE5MU VE5MU DE KV9U H H 
> ad
> to get me sound card switched back properly to mike in put from auxilary
> input. This happ to mike in put from auxilary input. This happ ens every
> time I run my contest logging progra m, n1mm. Very odd. Good to make the
> connecti on this evening. Running 20 watts at the moment . lly think that
> this mode is w ay underutilized for public ser ivice and emergency use 
> since
> it is fairly sensitive and not too wide either. I tried 40 meters first 
> but
> no thing connected and there is foreign br oadcast stations on or very 
> near
> the frequenc on the disc. AS
> DE K(V9U
> VE5MU DE KV9U Sign Sign als are just at the noise level at the moment . . 
> W
> ell on second thought, not qui te true, several s units above the noise .
> I would be surprised if 141A will work but lets try it. Why not connect 
> and
> try and send message from you to me again?
> DE KV9U
> End of QSO VE5MU DE KV9U F or some reason it will someti mes lock up and I
> can not seem to stop the current status and reset job though had to
> completely terminat e the program a few times and restart . Maybe I just
> don't know the correct procedu and it was very close to a cw station that 
> I
> could not clip off without affecting the lower tone. wish that this mode 
> was
> in the NBEMS suite , but thus far they feel that this may be beyond their
> ability to include. I thi I thi nk that Winmor, if it has a peer to peer
> mode, w ill be VERY popular since once you set it up f or one mode such as
> e-mail it can adapt to other conditions. And the nice thing is that you 
> can
> u se the narrow modes down to 200 Hz wide which should make it ham 
> friendly
> when you don't nee d the speed. The Winlink 2000 group holds it s cards 
> very
> close to the vest as they are not rea lly looking at what is good for
> amateur radio, but what is good for Winlink 2000. That is past deeds of 
> not
> being willing to open even the protocol. But maybe they will even the
> protocol. But maybe they will ve several specific frequencies I 
> understand.
> If you have listened to their sample, it is really not a pleasant sounding
> mode, and is mor e like you get with higher baud rate signals. D E 
> KV9U
> H FLink tried to go t heir own way, then tried to "interoperate " with
> Winlink 2000 which is really not ver y practical and is downright foolish
> when you Instead they put their system in line with Winli nk's servers, so
> if Winlink 2000 fails , they are likely to fail as well. They have not 
> been
> able to give me a reason why they want to use Winlink's system when they
> really don't h ave to do this. Bonnie had a real shouting match 00 site 
> and
> the next day, everything was OK an d all FB. Needless to say, she had to 
> get
> on the phone and agreed to just do whatever they wanted because she knew
> that she wou ld be frozen out otherwise.
> DE KV9u ... i , it sure is a nice setu p, but with my situatiuon, I would
> have no ohter stat ions to communicate with here in Wiscosnsin, since no 
> one
> else has it to speak of and Pactor itself, the ori ginal pactor is not 
> going
> t o be competitive with PWinmor. Even P2 will get some competition with
> Winmor exc really poor condx. I thnk I thnink the signal to noise ratioi 
> is
> getting a b it better than when we started. Y es, the tremendous advan 
> tage
> with a stand alone box that uses the computer primarily as a dumb terminal
> is that it is so much easier to get it to work. We have had the local EC
> demonstarate the VHF type of Winlink 2000 on two separate times to our
> group. Both times it failed to work even one mi le to the Telpac!!! pretty
> bad. Not sure what was causing the problem, but obviously no t a good 
> thing
> to fail if we had really needed i t. I can type fairly fast, but I can't
> keep the error rate down wit hout going back quite often and redo stuff. S
> ometimes I can get a good stream going and then e verything falls apart, 
> HI
> HI. DE KV9U
> \
> OK John great to chat a bit and try something like file transfers t

Re: [digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A

[kh6ty]

John, Rick,

Copied the following on 3584.5, 1631.1 Hz. It might help to specify the tone 
frequency next time. Not sure I every copied John on my end.



CQ KV9U>VE5MU CQ KV9U>VE5MU CQ KV9U>VE5MU CQ KV9U>VE5MU VE5MU DE KV9U H H ad 
to get me sound card switched back properly to mike in put from auxilary 
input. This happ to mike in put from auxilary input. This happ ens every 
time I run my contest logging progra m, n1mm. Very odd. Good to make the 
connecti on this evening. Running 20 watts at the moment . lly think that 
this mode is w ay underutilized for public ser ivice and emergency use since 
it is fairly sensitive and not too wide either. I tried 40 meters first but 
no thing connected and there is foreign br oadcast stations on or very near 
the frequenc on the disc. AS
DE K(V9U
VE5MU DE KV9U Sign Sign als are just at the noise level at the moment . . W 
ell on second thought, not qui te true, several s units above the noise .
I would be surprised if 141A will work but lets try it. Why not connect and 
try and send message from you to me again?
DE KV9U
End of QSO VE5MU DE KV9U F or some reason it will someti mes lock up and I 
can not seem to stop the current status and reset job though had to 
completely terminat e the program a few times and restart . Maybe I just 
don't know the correct procedu and it was very close to a cw station that I 
could not clip off without affecting the lower tone. wish that this mode was 
in the NBEMS suite , but thus far they feel that this may be beyond their 
ability to include. I thi I thi nk that Winmor, if it has a peer to peer 
mode, w ill be VERY popular since once you set it up f or one mode such as 
e-mail it can adapt to other conditions. And the nice thing is that you can 
u se the narrow modes down to 200 Hz wide which should make it ham friendly 
when you don't nee d the speed. The Winlink 2000 group holds it s cards very 
close to the vest as they are not rea lly looking at what is good for 
amateur radio, but what is good for Winlink 2000. That is past deeds of not 
being willing to open even the protocol. But maybe they will even the 
protocol. But maybe they will ve several specific frequencies I understand. 
If you have listened to their sample, it is really not a pleasant sounding 
mode, and is mor e like you get with higher baud rate signals. D E KV9U
H FLink tried to go t heir own way, then tried to "interoperate " with 
Winlink 2000 which is really not ver y practical and is downright foolish 
when you Instead they put their system in line with Winli nk's servers, so 
if Winlink 2000 fails , they are likely to fail as well. They have not been 
able to give me a reason why they want to use Winlink's system when they 
really don't h ave to do this. Bonnie had a real shouting match 00 site and 
the next day, everything was OK an d all FB. Needless to say, she had to get 
on the phone and agreed to just do whatever they wanted because she knew 
that she wou ld be frozen out otherwise.
DE KV9u ... i , it sure is a nice setu p, but with my situatiuon, I would 
have no ohter stat ions to communicate with here in Wiscosnsin, since no one 
else has it to speak of and Pactor itself, the ori ginal pactor is not going 
t o be competitive with PWinmor. Even P2 will get some competition with 
Winmor exc really poor condx. I thnk I thnink the signal to noise ratioi is 
getting a b it better than when we started. Y es, the tremendous advan tage 
with a stand alone box that uses the computer primarily as a dumb terminal 
is that it is so much easier to get it to work. We have had the local EC 
demonstarate the VHF type of Winlink 2000 on two separate times to our 
group. Both times it failed to work even one mi le to the Telpac!!! pretty 
bad. Not sure what was causing the problem, but obviously no t a good thing 
to fail if we had really needed i t. I can type fairly fast, but I can't 
keep the error rate down wit hout going back quite often and redo stuff. S 
ometimes I can get a good stream going and then e verything falls apart, HI 
HI. DE KV9U
\
OK John great to chat a bit and try something like file transfers that 
actually work AR Q. HI. 7 7 3's for now VE5MU DE KV9U and see u later this 
has bee 3's for now VE5MU DE KV9U CLyou disco\nnect
Signals were easily visible on the waterfall, but sometimes there was no 
decoding. Fast QSB here in South Carolina. Signal from Rick were 2 S-units 
over the noise level.

73, Skip KH6TY




- Original Message - 
From: "John Bradley" 
To: ; 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:27 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A


> As of 22:30 UTC  both stations are beaconing every 2 minutes using
> ALE400FAE.  Both stations are transmitting callsign and locator
>
>
>
> VE5GPM 7110.5 USB (unlicensed version)
>
>
>
> VE5MU 3584.5 USB
>
>
>
> Try a connect , or at least listen for these stations on these 
> frequencies.
> They will operate until 0400Z
>
>
>
> John
>
> VE5MU
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Fr

Re: [digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A

[Patrick Lindecker]

Hello to all,

The way to work (RX and TX) an ARQ FAE beacon is presented in this file: "The 
ARQ FAE beacon easy with Multipsk"

Here is the WEB address to fetch this Word file:
http://f6cte.free.fr/The_ARQ_FAE_beacon_easy_with_Multipsk.doc

73
Patrick
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Bradley 
  To: multi...@yahoogroups.com ; digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:27 PM
  Subject: [digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A


  As of 22:30 UTC  both stations are beaconing every 2 minutes using ALE400FAE. 
 Both stations are transmitting callsign and locator

   

  VE5GPM 7110.5 USB (unlicensed version)

   

  VE5MU 3584.5 USB

   

  Try a connect , or at least listen for these stations on these frequencies. 
They will operate until 0400Z

   

  John

  VE5MU

   

   

   

   

   

  From: multi...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:multi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Patrick Lindecker
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:04 PM
  To: multi...@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A

   

  Hello John,

   

  RR for all.

   

  I don't know if you use the ARQ FAE beacon mode but I think it would be 
really simpler from everyone to locate your transmission and if, moreover, you 
add a RS ID, it will be even really easier to tune exactly to your frequency 
and to leave you a message.

   

  A beacon message every 2 minutes for example would be sufficient.

   

  73

  Patrick

   

- Original Message - 

From: John Bradley 

To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com ; multi...@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:40 AM

Subject: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A

 

In answer to your questions...

 

· did not have any luck with a connect from anyone other than local 
hams on both 141A and ALE400 , but the bands were in particularly bad shape 
over the weekend . Am in the process of installing a 800watt solid state amp at 
VE5GPM, so will try that later this week , probably running 300 W on both 
ALE400 and 141A.. will let you know where/when. GPM is located at an EOC and I 
have remote control abilities on that station.

Very interested in seeing how this works for text messaging up to 3K in 
size.

 

· Have given up on the PCALE and HFlink bunch, since there seems to 
be no interest in doing anything other than sending 1 line messages to each 
other , or simply sounding. The MARS version of PCALE might work, but the 
author is not allowing use of this software outside of the MARS side. why is 
anyone's guess. As far as I can see no progress has been made to get some sort 
of practical message handling system in place, using ALE to establish contacts.

 

· Have not talked to Dmitri for some time so have no idea where he 
is at with RFSM8000 . It is a great piece of software, requires fairly strong 
signal to operate at any speed. Still play with it from time to time.

 

· From our point of view have thrown in the towel and will likely 
go with SCS Modems using Pactor 3 for some of the longer haul stuff we do, and 
our served agencies seem ready to purchase the necessary gear. Still interested 
in a sound card messaging mode which could link to the internet when required.

 

· Am going to send Patrick a separate email about doing a striped 
down version of multipsk for emergency comms, something that would do 
PSK,MFSK,Olivia and the ALE modes, and nothing else...AND with a message 
gateway... that's all I want for next Christmas , hee hee.

 

· Am anxious to get a few folks experimenting with modes suitable 
for emergency comms, up and using them somewhere

 

 

John

VE5MU

 

 

 

 

Hi John,

Did you have any luck with either station getting a connect? I tried 
both frequencies last night but no luck. The 141A mode is not very 
sensitive compared to the more modern modes developed in the past 
decade. Have you considered the FAE400 mode for this purpose? I am not 
sure if it has the capability to do what you want in terms of 
networking, but it works very much deeper into the noise. Can the FAE 
modes do what the 141A type of mode can do? I have only used FAE400 for 
ARQ chatting, which I really liked, but almost no one else did:(

I can hear some 141A transmissions on 14.109 this morning but not able 
to decode them. Tried calling QRZ but no luck either. Based on their 
signal strength, they would decode very well with most of the sound card 
modes.

Can you update us on how things are going with the RFSM8000 product? My 
wife and I have been testing digital modes, particularly the ARQ 
messaging modes, and if nothing else, the RFSM2400 software seems to be 
the easiest messaging software available. Even though we can not use 
this on MF/HF (except maybe for image, but who knows, as the FCC won't 
  

Re: [digitalradio] Re: multipsk

[Patrick Lindecker]

Hello Lynn,

As said by Bill, you installed the program from the desktop (which must not be 
done): Multipsk considered the desktop as the installation folder and installed 
all the files in this "folder".

To install Multipsk, read _READ_ME.TXT in the Multipsk package first.

Hereafter is the beginning of this file.

For questions about this soft, PSE, ask to the Multipsk Yahoo group.

73
Patrick

Beginning of _READ_ME.TXT 

To install the programs on your hard disk,from the WINDOWS Explorer:

  1) Unzip the MULTIPSK.ZIP file to a temporary directory, for example
"C:\TEMP".

  ATTENTION: don't unzip MULTIPSK.ZIP from the desktop. If you do this, you 
will have
  a lot of files on it (the desktop is a sort of directory)!

  2) From the temporary directory, not from MULTIPSK.ZIP, start the 
INSTAL file:
2.1) if you are installing the program for the first time, choose,
  for example, "C:\MULTIPSK". If you are updating a previuos version,
  use the actual directory name,
2.2) double-click on "Installation" if it is an original installation,
  otherwise on "Updating".
..


  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill McLaughlin 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:54 AM
  Subject: [digitalradio] Re: multipsk


  Hello Lynn,

  That is not a normal install. Perhaps you inadvertently unzipped the
  files into your desk top? You might also ask on the dedicated Multipsk
  group - alot of very helpful people there, although I am sure Patrick
  monitors this group also.

  73,

  Bill N9DSJ 

  --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "n0alo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >
  > Greetings
  > Am new to the list and do have a problem. I downloaded multipsk and
  was able to
  > run the program but when I shut it down, it left the desktop full of
  folders. Did miss
  > something in the installation?
  > Thanks
  > Lynn
  >



   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: MultiPSK newest version

[Omar Shabsigh]

Thank you Juergen and Happy New Year. 

Maybe. Thank you for the explanation.  Take care


73

Omar YK1AO


  - Original Message - 
  From: dl8le 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:16 AM
  Subject: [digitalradio] Re: MultiPSK newest version


  Hello Omar,

  as far as I know the latest version of Multipsk is 4.6.

  Could it be that you have mixed this with the new DXKeeper 6.0x?

  73, HNY

  Juergen, DL8LE

  --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "o." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >
  > Hi Group and Happy New Year;
  > 
  > I have MultiPSK Ver. 6 but lately I have noted in the group talk 
  about Ver.6 *
  > 
  > Can anybody confirm please?
  > 
  > 73
  > 
  > de
  > 
  > Omar YK1AO
  >



   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [multipsk] Re: Tests in ARQ FAE

[John Bradley]

Steinar;

I'll listen for you on 30m and 20M , on 10136.5 now but probably too late. 

Have heard Europe today so maybe band is improving, will sit on 14109.5 as of 
0600Z tomorrow. See if you can get my station to answer

John
VE5MU


  - Original Message - 
  From: Steinar Aanesland 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 4:57 AM
  Subject: [digitalradio] Re: [multipsk] Re: Tests in ARQ FAE


  Hi Patrick,

  What about trying 10.136,500 later this evening ?
  The 30m is a lovely band free from contest qrm .

  73 de LA5VNA Steinar

  Patrick Lindecker skrev:
  >
  > Hello to all,
  > 
  > As there is a WW RTTY contest, the 14109.5 frequency is and will not
  > be free. So this ARQ FAE test will be done another day.
  > 
  > 73
  > Patrick
  > 
  >
  > - Original Message -
  > *From:* Patrick Lindecker 
  > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >  ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >  ; digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
  > 
  > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 11:21 PM
  > *Subject:* Tests in ARQ FAE
  >
  > Hello to all,
  >
  > I will be QRV for tests to-morrow saturday morning in 14109.5 KHz
  > USB at 10h00 UTC, for the ones interested. I will call CQ in ARQ
  > FAE up to 10h30 UTC.
  >
  > A 4.4.2 Multipsk test version in a ZIP test package is available
  > in my site. It contains the Multipsk test version (with ARQ FAE
  > bugs fixed).
  > http://f6cte.free.fr/MULTIPSK_TEST_22_09_2007.ZIP
  > 
  >
  > Paste this adress in your Internet Explorer or equivalent.
  > Download the file.
  > Create a tempory folder (C:\TEST, for example), unzip the file in
  > it and start C:\TEST\Multipsk.exe (the auxiliary files will be
  > created automatically).
  >
  > 73
  >
  > Patrick
  >
  > 



   


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Re: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW

[Patrick Lindecker]

Hello Dave,

TKS for the Windows references.

1 ms would be sufficient for Pactor 1 100 bauds, as a bit is 10 ms long.

Now, I wonder how transceivers can switch from RX to TX and TX to RX with 
respect to the required precision (<=1 ms) under the Pactor 1 protocol:  960 
msec of TX frame and 290 msec of RX, this cyclically...a mystery but nothing 
to see with Windows...

73
Patrick





- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:38 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW


> The claimed precision is ~1 ms; see
>
> http://windowssdk.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?
> url=/library/en-us/Multimed/htm/_win32_about_multimedia_timers.asp
>
> I have not noticed any serious problems with software-generated CW
> up to ~40 wpm or so, though certain Windows actions are inexplicably
> pre-emptive: dragging the Task Manager window, for example.
>
> The general reference for multimedia timers is
>
> http://windowssdk.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?
> url=/library/en-us/Multimed/htm/_win32_multimedia_timers.asp
>
> Is 1 ms precision sufficient for Pactor ARQ?
>
>   73,
>
>   Dave, AA6YQ
>
>
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Lindecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> TKS Dave for the information.
>> I will see what are Windows "callbacks", as this seems to be the
> key.
>>
>> One question: do you know the precision of the event timing (as
> far as I
>> know each thread is switched 80 times/sec maximum, so the
> precision might be
>> 12,5 ms which might not be sufficient to key CW, so I must miss
>> something...). Suppose you can really start an event at a precise
> predefined
>> time (as an interruption under DOS), what would prevent to program
> Pactor1
>> ARQ under Windows (I have a doubt now)?
>>
>> 73
>> Patrick
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:10 AM
>> Subject: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW
>>
>>
>> > OK. Check out the Delphi interfaces to the Windows Multimedia
>> > Library. Assuming Delphi supports callbacks, you should find the
>> > appropriate mechanism there.
>> >
>> >   73,
>> >
>> >  Dave, AA6YQ
>> >
>> > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Lindecker" 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello Dave,
>> >>
>> >> MultiPSK is written in Pascal. I use Delphi 6 (Borland).
>> >>
>> >> 73
>> >> Patrick
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message - 
>> >> From: "Dave" 
>> >> To: 
>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:36 PM
>> >> Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > In what programming language is MultiPSK written, Patrick, and
>> > what
>> >> > compiler
>> >> > or development environment are you using?
>> >> >
>> >> >73,
>> >> >
>> >> >   Dave, AA6YQ
>> >> >
>> >> > -Original Message-
>> >> > From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> > On
>> >> > Behalf Of Patrick Lindecker
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 17:29 PM
>> >> > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > TKS Dave,
>> >> >
>> >> > I did know this (I'm an amateur in programmation). Do you have
>> > the name of
>> >> > a
>> >> >
>> >> > Windows API (or some key word) which could give me a first
> step
>> > in the
>> >> > search of information?
>> >> >
>> >> > 73
>> >> > Patrick
>> >> >
>> >> > - Original Message - 
>> >> > From: "Dave Bernstein" 
>> >> > To: 
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:08 PM
>> >> > Subject: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Windows supports an eventing model that eliminates the need
> to
>> > busy-
>> >> >> wait the CPU. You specify a duration and the code to be
&

Re: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW

[Patrick Lindecker]

TKS Dave for the information.
I will see what are Windows "callbacks", as this seems to be the key.

One question: do you know the precision of the event timing (as far as I 
know each thread is switched 80 times/sec maximum, so the precision might be 
12,5 ms which might not be sufficient to key CW, so I must miss 
something...). Suppose you can really start an event at a precise predefined 
time (as an interruption under DOS), what would prevent to program Pactor1 
ARQ under Windows (I have a doubt now)?

73
Patrick

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:10 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW


> OK. Check out the Delphi interfaces to the Windows Multimedia
> Library. Assuming Delphi supports callbacks, you should find the
> appropriate mechanism there.
>
>   73,
>
>  Dave, AA6YQ
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Lindecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Dave,
>>
>> MultiPSK is written in Pascal. I use Delphi 6 (Borland).
>>
>> 73
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message - 
>> From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:36 PM
>> Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW
>>
>>
>> > In what programming language is MultiPSK written, Patrick, and
> what
>> > compiler
>> > or development environment are you using?
>> >
>> >73,
>> >
>> >   Dave, AA6YQ
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Patrick Lindecker
>> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 17:29 PM
>> > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW
>> >
>> >
>> > TKS Dave,
>> >
>> > I did know this (I'm an amateur in programmation). Do you have
> the name of
>> > a
>> >
>> > Windows API (or some key word) which could give me a first step
> in the
>> > search of information?
>> >
>> > 73
>> > Patrick
>> >
>> > - Original Message - 
>> > From: "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:08 PM
>> > Subject: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW
>> >
>> >
>> >> Windows supports an eventing model that eliminates the need to
> busy-
>> >> wait the CPU. You specify a duration and the code to be invoked
> on
>> >> callback, and then terminate the thread. When the interval
> expires,
>> >> the specified code is invoked.
>> >>
>> >> I do this with TimerMM.DLL, but you may want to use the Windows
>> >> Multimedia Library directly depending on the language in which
>> >> MultiPSK is written.
>> >>
>> >>   73,
>> >>
>> >>  Dave, AA6YQ
>> >>
>> >> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Lindecker"
> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello Dave,
>> >>>
>> >>> If I transmit via the Windows buffering in a tone to the sound
>> >> card, no
>> >>> problem. If I transmit through the serial port, I need to
> control
>> >> the time
>> >>> ellapsed (for a dot or a dash). As under Windows there are no
>> >> interruptions
>> >>> (sniff), there is no way to know at which moment is the end of
> the
>> >> dot (or
>> >>> the dash). So I keep the CPU working in a loop, testing the
>> >> Windows timer,
>> >>> until the end of the dot. It is not a very elegant method but I
>> >> don't know
>> >>> an other way to do it.
>> >>> Note: the Delphi system timer is not sufficiently rapid
> (maximum
>> >> between 20
>> >>> to 60 /sec).
>> >>>
>> >>> 73
>> >>> Patrick
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> - Original Message -
>> >>> From: "Dave" 
>> >>> To: 
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:53 AM
>> >>> Subject: RE: [digitalradio] MULTIPSK CW
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> >A 50% cpu load seems 

Re: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW

[Patrick Lindecker]

Hello Dave,

MultiPSK is written in Pascal. I use Delphi 6 (Borland).

73
Patrick


- Original Message - 
From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:36 PM
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW


> In what programming language is MultiPSK written, Patrick, and what 
> compiler
> or development environment are you using?
>
>73,
>
>   Dave, AA6YQ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On
> Behalf Of Patrick Lindecker
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 17:29 PM
> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW
>
>
> TKS Dave,
>
> I did know this (I'm an amateur in programmation). Do you have the name of 
> a
>
> Windows API (or some key word) which could give me a first step in the
> search of information?
>
> 73
> Patrick
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:08 PM
> Subject: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW
>
>
>> Windows supports an eventing model that eliminates the need to busy-
>> wait the CPU. You specify a duration and the code to be invoked on
>> callback, and then terminate the thread. When the interval expires,
>> the specified code is invoked.
>>
>> I do this with TimerMM.DLL, but you may want to use the Windows
>> Multimedia Library directly depending on the language in which
>> MultiPSK is written.
>>
>>   73,
>>
>>  Dave, AA6YQ
>>
>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Lindecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Dave,
>>>
>>> If I transmit via the Windows buffering in a tone to the sound
>> card, no
>>> problem. If I transmit through the serial port, I need to control
>> the time
>>> ellapsed (for a dot or a dash). As under Windows there are no
>> interruptions
>>> (sniff), there is no way to know at which moment is the end of the
>> dot (or
>>> the dash). So I keep the CPU working in a loop, testing the
>> Windows timer,
>>> until the end of the dot. It is not a very elegant method but I
>> don't know
>>> an other way to do it.
>>> Note: the Delphi system timer is not sufficiently rapid (maximum
>> between 20
>>> to 60 /sec).
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:53 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [digitalradio] MULTIPSK CW
>>>
>>>
>>> >A 50% cpu load seems really high, Patrick. WinWarbler consumes
>> less than 1%
>>> > of a 1.5 ghz Pentium 4 when generating CW via software. It uses
>> ticks from
>>> > TimerMM.dll to drive a state machine. What sort of timer are you
>> using?
>>> >
>>> >  73,
>>> >
>>> >  Dave, AA6YQ
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > On
>>> > Behalf Of Patrick Lindecker
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 18:27 PM
>>> > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] MULTIPSK CW
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hello Bill and Paul,
>>> >
>>> > Multipsk can directly key the transceiver (I use it this way).
>> However, it
>>> > is not advised under Windows XP because it takes about 50 % of
>> the
>>> > computing
>>> >
>>> > power (due to the obligation to manage a pseudo "timer").
>>> >
>>> > The most simple to do CW is to do it as PSK31 (in USB).
>>> >
>>> > 73
>>> > Patrick
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: "Box SisteenHundred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> > To: 
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:36 PM
>>> > Subject: RE: [digitalradio] MULTIPSK CW
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> That IS cw Paul.
>>> >>
>>> >> In reality, that's how your rig probably generates CW
>>> >>
>>> >> By injecting an audio tone into a SSB transmitter.
>>> >>
>>> >> When

RE: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW

[Dave]

In what programming language is MultiPSK written, Patrick, and what compiler
or development environment are you using?

73,

   Dave, AA6YQ

-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Lindecker
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 17:29 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW


TKS Dave,

I did know this (I'm an amateur in programmation). Do you have the name of a

Windows API (or some key word) which could give me a first step in the 
search of information?

73
Patrick

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:08 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW


> Windows supports an eventing model that eliminates the need to busy- 
> wait the CPU. You specify a duration and the code to be invoked on 
> callback, and then terminate the thread. When the interval expires, 
> the specified code is invoked.
>
> I do this with TimerMM.DLL, but you may want to use the Windows 
> Multimedia Library directly depending on the language in which 
> MultiPSK is written.
>
>   73,
>
>  Dave, AA6YQ
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Lindecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Dave,
>>
>> If I transmit via the Windows buffering in a tone to the sound
> card, no
>> problem. If I transmit through the serial port, I need to control
> the time
>> ellapsed (for a dot or a dash). As under Windows there are no
> interruptions
>> (sniff), there is no way to know at which moment is the end of the
> dot (or
>> the dash). So I keep the CPU working in a loop, testing the
> Windows timer,
>> until the end of the dot. It is not a very elegant method but I
> don't know
>> an other way to do it.
>> Note: the Delphi system timer is not sufficiently rapid (maximum
> between 20
>> to 60 /sec).
>>
>> 73
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:53 AM
>> Subject: RE: [digitalradio] MULTIPSK CW
>>
>>
>> >A 50% cpu load seems really high, Patrick. WinWarbler consumes
> less than 1%
>> > of a 1.5 ghz Pentium 4 when generating CW via software. It uses
> ticks from
>> > TimerMM.dll to drive a state machine. What sort of timer are you
> using?
>> >
>> >  73,
>> >
>> >  Dave, AA6YQ
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Patrick Lindecker
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 18:27 PM
>> > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] MULTIPSK CW
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Bill and Paul,
>> >
>> > Multipsk can directly key the transceiver (I use it this way).
> However, it
>> > is not advised under Windows XP because it takes about 50 % of
> the
>> > computing
>> >
>> > power (due to the obligation to manage a pseudo "timer").
>> >
>> > The most simple to do CW is to do it as PSK31 (in USB).
>> >
>> > 73
>> > Patrick
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Box SisteenHundred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:36 PM
>> > Subject: RE: [digitalradio] MULTIPSK CW
>> >
>> >
>> >> That IS cw Paul.
>> >>
>> >> In reality, that's how your rig probably generates CW
>> >>
>> >> By injecting an audio tone into a SSB transmitter.
>> >>
>> >> When you say won't do "regular" cw...  do you mean
>> >> keying a circuit open and closed so you can connect it
>> >> to the key jack of your rig?
>> >>
>> >> 73
>> >>
>> >> Bill  KA8VIT
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> http://ka8vit.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>>Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> >>>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> >>>Subject: [digitalradio] MULTIPSK CW
>> >>>Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:56:36 -
>> >>>
>> >>>  MULTI PSK ONLY XMTS CW ON USB OR LSB DOES NOT DO REGULAR
> CW,AT LEAST
>> >>> 

Re: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW

[Patrick Lindecker]

TKS Dave,

I did know this (I'm an amateur in programmation). Do you have the name of a 
Windows API (or some key word) which could give me a first step in the 
search of information?

73
Patrick

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:08 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: MULTIPSK CW


> Windows supports an eventing model that eliminates the need to busy-
> wait the CPU. You specify a duration and the code to be invoked on
> callback, and then terminate the thread. When the interval expires,
> the specified code is invoked.
>
> I do this with TimerMM.DLL, but you may want to use the Windows
> Multimedia Library directly depending on the language in which
> MultiPSK is written.
>
>   73,
>
>  Dave, AA6YQ
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Lindecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Dave,
>>
>> If I transmit via the Windows buffering in a tone to the sound
> card, no
>> problem. If I transmit through the serial port, I need to control
> the time
>> ellapsed (for a dot or a dash). As under Windows there are no
> interruptions
>> (sniff), there is no way to know at which moment is the end of the
> dot (or
>> the dash). So I keep the CPU working in a loop, testing the
> Windows timer,
>> until the end of the dot. It is not a very elegant method but I
> don't know
>> an other way to do it.
>> Note: the Delphi system timer is not sufficiently rapid (maximum
> between 20
>> to 60 /sec).
>>
>> 73
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:53 AM
>> Subject: RE: [digitalradio] MULTIPSK CW
>>
>>
>> >A 50% cpu load seems really high, Patrick. WinWarbler consumes
> less than 1%
>> > of a 1.5 ghz Pentium 4 when generating CW via software. It uses
> ticks from
>> > TimerMM.dll to drive a state machine. What sort of timer are you
> using?
>> >
>> >  73,
>> >
>> >  Dave, AA6YQ
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Patrick Lindecker
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 18:27 PM
>> > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] MULTIPSK CW
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Bill and Paul,
>> >
>> > Multipsk can directly key the transceiver (I use it this way).
> However, it
>> > is not advised under Windows XP because it takes about 50 % of
> the
>> > computing
>> >
>> > power (due to the obligation to manage a pseudo "timer").
>> >
>> > The most simple to do CW is to do it as PSK31 (in USB).
>> >
>> > 73
>> > Patrick
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message - 
>> > From: "Box SisteenHundred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:36 PM
>> > Subject: RE: [digitalradio] MULTIPSK CW
>> >
>> >
>> >> That IS cw Paul.
>> >>
>> >> In reality, that's how your rig probably generates CW
>> >>
>> >> By injecting an audio tone into a SSB transmitter.
>> >>
>> >> When you say won't do "regular" cw...  do you mean
>> >> keying a circuit open and closed so you can connect it
>> >> to the key jack of your rig?
>> >>
>> >> 73
>> >>
>> >> Bill  KA8VIT
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> http://ka8vit.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>>Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> >>>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> >>>Subject: [digitalradio] MULTIPSK CW
>> >>>Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:56:36 -
>> >>>
>> >>>  MULTI PSK ONLY XMTS CW ON USB OR LSB DOES NOT DO REGULAR
> CW,AT LEAST
>> >>> I CANT GET IT TO WORK ?? BUT IS A EXCELLENT DIGITAL PROGRAM
>> >>>  K8PG-Paul
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to
> Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org
>> >>
>> >> Other areas of interest:
>> >>
>> >> The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/
>> >> DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol  (band plan
> policy
>> >> discussion)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to
> Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org
>> >
>> > Other areas of interest:
>> >
>> > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/
>> > DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol  (band plan policy
>> > discussion)
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to
> Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org
>> >
>> > Other areas of interest:
>> >
>> > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/
>> > DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol  (band plan
> policy
>> > discussion)
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to  Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org
>
> Other areas of interest:
>
> The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/
> DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol  (band pla