Re: [Discuss] RMS
You’re counting? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Jim Gasek wrote: >> Remember that the "METOO" movement is a religious movement, it is not based >> on facts, logic, or evidence. > > > Your third message in three years, and this is what you want to > say? > > Plonk. > > -dsr- > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] apache problem
It’s probably the web server trying to navigate into /home/* Put the link in the other direction and try it -Original Message- From: Discuss on behalf of dan moylan Date: Friday, January 4, 2019 at 5:01 PM To: "discuss@blu.org" Cc: betty moylan Subject: [Discuss] apache problem > >newly installed fc29 from scratch on my laptop -- apache >appears to be running ok. chrome displays >localhost/welcome.htm just fine, but when i try >localhost/moylan/welcome.htm, where welcome.htm is in >/home/moylan/www, i get: "you don't have permission to >access localhost/moylan/welcome.htm on this server" > >i have a similar setup (ostensibly identical, but obviously >not) on a different computer which works fine. i checked >links and permissions on the laptop and see mothing amiss. > >ls -l /var/www/html > total 4.0K > lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 16 190103:1425 moylan -> /home/moylan/www/ > -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 128 190104:1307 welcome.htm >ls -ld /home > drwxr-xr-x. 4 root root 4096 Jan 3 14:24 /home >ls -ld /home/moylan > drwxr-xr-x. 24 moylan moylan 4096 Jan 4 14:21 /home/moylan >ls -ld /home/moylan/www > drwxr-xr-x. 31 moylan moylan 4096 Nov 19 12:24 /home/moylan/www >ls -l /home/moylan/www/welcome.htm >-rw-r--r-- 1 moylan moylan 133 190104:1325 /home/moylan/www/welcome.htm > >no matter how many times i go through this, i always seem to >miss something. where else should i be looking? > >ole dan > >j. daniel moylan >84 harvard ave >brookline, ma 02446-6202 >617-777-0207 (cel) >j...@moylan.us >www.moylan.us >[no html pls] >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] systemd reboot
Thanks for the sync update! Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 4, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Richard Pieriwrote: > > The old "sync;sync;sync;halt" mantra is folklore from the days before we > had a shutdown/reboot command which does this for us. The first sync > flushes any dirty buffers, the second blocks waiting for the first to > complete ensuring that there are no dirty buffers when the system goes > down, and the third... makes us feel good (it has no technical benefit). > > This doesn't work as expected today because most drives lie about > committing writes to permanent storage. The second sync won't block > unless the size of data in dirty kernel buffers exceeds the drives' > write cache capacity and then it will block only long enough for that > ratio to flip. If the system restarts, loses power, whatever, when the > drives' on-board caches have not been committed then there will be data > loss. The Linux kernel code which guarantees that writes are committed > doesn't actually work because it relies on drives not lying about their > cache commits. > > In which case the explicit sync in the script doesn't do anything in > terms of flushing data to disk. It does add a small delay between > running update-grub and the reboot which, I guess, gives your drives > enough time to commit their caches. > > -- > Rich P. > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Mothballing Synology NAS
Nope - I was wrong This is the one it addresses CVE-2017-16939 On 2/5/18, 10:30 AM, "Discuss on behalf of Joe Polcari" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of j...@polcari.com> wrote: >I just got an update today which, I think, covers it. > >On 2/5/18, 9:33 AM, "discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of >ma...@mohawksoft.com" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf >of ma...@mohawksoft.com> wrote: > >>This is common across the industry. EMC, Cisco, IBM, and others have said >>basically the same thing. I would dump synology because its crap, but not >>because of that. >> >>> The Meltdown and Spectre vulnerabilities were publicly disclosed 3 >>> January. >>> >>> Synology posted their own security advisory 5 days later on 8 January >>> listing these vulnerabilities as moderate "because these >>>vulnerabilities >>> can only be exploited via local malicious programs." As if there were >>>no >>> ways for "local malicious programs" to ever be installed or injected. >>> >>> As of 4 February, a month after the initial disclosure, Synology have >>> yet to release fixes for these vulnerabilities. >>> >>> I will be mothballing my Synology NAS box as soon as I get a >>>replacement >>> for it up and running. I have the parts. I just need to assemble and >>> test them, install an OS, and move the drives. >>> >>> -- >>> Rich P. >>> ___ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@blu.org >>> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >>___ >>Discuss mailing list >>Discuss@blu.org >>http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Mothballing Synology NAS
I just got an update today which, I think, covers it. On 2/5/18, 9:33 AM, "discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of ma...@mohawksoft.com" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of ma...@mohawksoft.com> wrote: >This is common across the industry. EMC, Cisco, IBM, and others have said >basically the same thing. I would dump synology because its crap, but not >because of that. > >> The Meltdown and Spectre vulnerabilities were publicly disclosed 3 >> January. >> >> Synology posted their own security advisory 5 days later on 8 January >> listing these vulnerabilities as moderate "because these vulnerabilities >> can only be exploited via local malicious programs." As if there were no >> ways for "local malicious programs" to ever be installed or injected. >> >> As of 4 February, a month after the initial disclosure, Synology have >> yet to release fixes for these vulnerabilities. >> >> I will be mothballing my Synology NAS box as soon as I get a replacement >> for it up and running. I have the parts. I just need to assemble and >> test them, install an OS, and move the drives. >> >> -- >> Rich P. >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@blu.org >> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] mysql problem
Welcome to RH7! I'm stumped for now. -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of dan moylan Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 3:18 PM To: boston linux and unix (blu) Cc: betty moylan Subject: Re: [Discuss] mysql problem joe polcari writes: > It will disappear - it's part of tmpfs which is memory. ok > Is /run 755? yes > Do you have selinux enabled? no > What does getenforce return? disabled ole dan j. daniel moylan 84 harvard ave brookline, ma 02446-6202 617-777-0207 (cel) j...@moylan.us www.moylan.us [no html pls] ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] mysql problem
It will disappear - it's part of tmpfs which is memory. Is /run 755? Do you have selinux enabled? What does getenforce return? -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of dan moylan Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 2:55 PM To: boston linux and unix (blu) Cc: betty moylan Subject: Re: [Discuss] mysql problem joe polcari writes: > What's the mysqld log say? > -Original Message- > running fc26 on acer aspire laptop > using mariadb > mysql been running fine for months. > suddenly: > # mysql > ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server > through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111 "Connection > refused") > . > . > . here's a segment of /var/log/mariadb/mariadb.log 2018-01-28 15:47:06 140045973009600 [Note] Plugin 'FEEDBACK' is disabled. 2018-01-28 15:47:07 140045973009600 [Note] Server socket created on IP: '::'. 2018-01-28 15:47:07 140045973009600 [Note] /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections. Version: '10.1.30-MariaDB' socket: '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' port: 3306 MariaDB Server 2018-02-01 13:01:35 140045972228864 [Note] /usr/libexec/mysqld: Normal shutdown 2018-02-01 13:01:47 140045972228864 [Note] Event Scheduler: Purging the queue. 0 events 2018-02-01 13:03:09 140045266708224 [Note] InnoDB: FTS optimize thread exiting. 2018-02-01 13:03:09 140045972228864 [Note] InnoDB: Starting shutdown... 2018-02-01 13:03:11 140045972228864 [Note] InnoDB: Waiting for page_cleaner to finish flushing of buffer pool 2018-02-01 13:03:49 140045972228864 [Note] InnoDB: Shutdown completed; log sequence number 1819735 2018-02-01 13:03:52 140045972228864 [Note] /usr/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown complete 2018-02-01 14:21:28 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: innodb_empty_free_list_algorithm has been changed to legacy because of small buffer pool size. In order to use backoff, increase buffer pool at least up to 20MB. 2018-02-01 14:21:28 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: Using mutexes to ref count buffer pool pages 2018-02-01 14:21:28 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: The InnoDB memory heap is disabled 2018-02-01 14:21:28 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: Mutexes and rw_locks use GCC atomic builtins 2018-02-01 14:21:28 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: GCC builtin __atomic_thread_fence() is used for memory barrier 2018-02-01 14:21:28 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: Compressed tables use zlib 1.2.11 2018-02-01 14:21:28 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: Using Linux native AIO 2018-02-01 14:21:29 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: Using generic crc32 instructions 2018-02-01 14:21:29 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, size = 128.0M 2018-02-01 14:21:29 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool 2018-02-01 14:21:29 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: Highest supported file format is Barracuda. 2018-02-01 14:21:31 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: 128 rollback segment(s) are active. 2018-02-01 14:21:31 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: Waiting for purge to start 2018-02-01 14:21:31 139831392437440 [Note] InnoDB: Percona XtraDB (http://www.percona.com) 5.6.36-82.2 started; log sequence number 1819735 2018-02-01 14:21:38 139830732252928 [Note] InnoDB: Dumping buffer pool(s) not yet started 2018-02-01 14:21:38 139831392437440 [Note] Plugin 'FEEDBACK' is disabled. 2018-02-01 14:21:39 139831392437440 [Note] Server socket created on IP: '::'. 2018-02-01 14:21:39 139831392271104 [ERROR] mysqld: Can't create/write to file '/run/mariadb/mariadb.pid' (Errcode: 2 "No such file or directory") 2018-02-01 14:21:39 139831392271104 [ERROR] Can't start server: can't create PID file: No such file or directory 2018-02-01 15:32:38 140015635989696 [Note] InnoDB: innodb_empty_free_list_algorithm has been changed to legacy because of small buffer pool size. In order to use backoff, increase buffer pool at least up to 20MB. don't quite know what to make of it. fwiw /run/mariadb/ didn't exist so i created it, but after reboot it was gone. tnx, ole dan j. daniel moylan 84 harvard ave brookline, ma 02446-6202 617-777-0207 (cel) j...@moylan.us www.moylan.us [no html pls] ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] mysql problem
What's the mysqld log say? -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of dan moylan Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:05 AM To: boston linux and unix (blu) Cc: betty moylan Subject: [Discuss] mysql problem running fc26 on acer aspire laptop using mariadb mysql been running fine for months. suddenly: # mysql ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111 "Connection refused") # dnf install mariadb # dnf install mariadb-server both indicated everything was already installed. # systemctl enable mariadb.service produced no errors # systemctl start mariadb.service produced this: > ● mariadb.service - MariaDB 10.1 database server > Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/mariadb.service; enabled; vendor > preset: disabled) > Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Thu 2018-02-01 15:46:02 EST; 13min > ago > Process: 20074 ExecStart=/usr/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/usr $MYSQLD_OPTS > $_WSREP_NEW_CLUSTER (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) > Process: 2 ExecStartPre=/usr/libexec/mysql-prepare-db-dir > mariadb.service (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) > Process: 19970 ExecStartPre=/usr/libexec/mysql-check-socket (code=exited, > status=0/SUCCESS) > Main PID: 20074 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) > > Feb 01 15:46:01 rigel systemd[1]: Starting MariaDB 10.1 database server... > Feb 01 15:46:01 rigel mysql-check-socket[19970]: Socket file > /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock exists. > Feb 01 15:46:01 rigel mysql-check-socket[19970]: No process is using > /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock, which means it is a garbage, so it will be removed > automatically. > Feb 01 15:46:01 rigel mysql-prepare-db-dir[2]: Database MariaDB is > probably initialized in /var/lib/mysql already, nothing is done. > Feb 01 15:46:01 rigel mysql-prepare-db-dir[2]: If this is not the case, > make sure the /var/lib/mysql is empty before running mysql-prepare-db-dir. > Feb 01 15:46:01 rigel mysqld[20074]: 2018-02-01 15:46:01 140518537700544 > [Note] /usr/libexec/mysqld (mysqld 10.1.30-MariaDB) starting as process 20074 > ... > Feb 01 15:46:02 rigel systemd[1]: mariadb.service: Main process exited, > code=exited, status=1/FAILURE > Feb 01 15:46:02 rigel systemd[1]: Failed to start MariaDB 10.1 database > server. > Feb 01 15:46:02 rigel systemd[1]: mariadb.service: Unit entered failed state. > Feb 01 15:46:02 rigel systemd[1]: mariadb.service: Failed with result > 'exit-code'. any suggestions as to what might have happened, or what i should do? ole dan j. daniel moylan 84 harvard ave brookline, ma 02446-6202 617-777-0207 (cel) j...@moylan.us www.moylan.us [no html pls] ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Fidelity voice-recognition security?
As already mentioned - my voice can be recorded. Not secure at all. On 11/22/17, 12:17 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Richard Pieri" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of richard.pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >On 11/21/2017 11:27 AM, Daniel Barrett wrote: >> I declined the feature. Fingerprinting a voice uniquely over a >> low-quality telephone line? I can't imagine that's more secure than a >> non-obvious password. What does the security crowd here think? > >Passwords suck. Voices are unique. In principle, voice identification >can be a good authentication system. In practice, it depends on how many >retries and how much deviation from a given user's baseline the system >permits. > >-- >Rich P. >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Syncing audio/video from two sources?
Stand in front of the camera and clap your hands? On 10/20/17, 3:17 PM, "Discuss on behalf of John Abreau" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of abre...@gmail.com> wrote: >I've got an HDMI pass-through widget that records the audio and video to a >file, and I'd like to use it when I record the BLU meetings in order to >capture the presenter's display and add it to the video from the webcam. > >The traditional method of syncing two sources would be to use a physical >clapstick to create a short, loud snapping sound that can easily be synced >with one specific frame of the video. But the pass-through widget is >recording audio and video from the laptop's HDMI port, not from a camera, >so it cannot capture audio or video of the clapstick to sync with. > >An animated clapstick that runs in a web browser should do the trick, but >several google searches have not turned up anything like that. A >standalone >app would also work, though that would mean finding instances for Fedora, >Ubuntu, MacOS, Windows, and possibly other platforms, as presenters could >potentially use a wide variety of OSes for their presentations. A web app, >or perhaps a java app, would be platform agnostic. > >Can anyone point me to something like that, or suggest another way I could >sync the HDMI recording to the webcam recording? > > > >-- >John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix >Email: abre...@gmail.com / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID >0x920063C6 >PGP-Key-Fingerprint A5AD 6BE1 FEFE 8E4F 5C23 C2D0 E885 E17C 9200 63C6 >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] mysql/mariadb
Try adding a priv line specifying localhost in addition to the one for % On 6/27/17, 12:19 PM, "Discuss on behalf of dan moylan" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of j...@moylan.us> wrote: > >rich braun writes: >>> moylan ~[285] mysql -u moylan_moy -p >>> Enter password: >>> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'moylan_moy'@'localhost' >>>(using password: YES) > >> Reiterating my earlier advice: learn about and use the -S command line >>option. The error message references localhost which is different from >>socket access. > >well, i did use the -S option, and it worked -- thank you >-- but unfortunately i can't say that i learned much. > >i have a number of perl scripts dealing with mysql data >bases. if i append " -S /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock" to each >mysql command therein, i seem to get success. that's good. >however i have these same scripts working on other computers >using the identical operating system (fc25) and don't need >to resort to this. what's going on? i'm mystefied. > >but thanks, >ole dan > >j. daniel moylan >84 harvard ave >brookline, ma 02446-6202 >617-777-0207 (cel) >j...@moylan.us >www.moylan.us >[no html pls] >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] mysql/mariadb
Check the section on Recovering the password https://www.howtoforge.com/setting-changing-resetting-mysql-root-passwords On 6/26/17, 12:21 PM, "Discuss on behalf of dan moylan" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of j...@moylan.us> wrote: > >john abreau writes: >> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 3:53 PM, dan moylan <j...@moylan.us> wrote: > >>> running on an intel nuc pentium >>> >>> moylan ~[263] uname -a >>> Linux arcturus 4.11.6-201.fc25.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 20 20:21:11 >>> UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux >>> >>> root ~[144] mysql -u root -p >>> Enter password: >>> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' >>> (using password: YES) >>> >>> i've googled for this problem and found no solutions. i may >>> remember incorrectly, but i don't believe this has been a >>> problem in the past. >>> >>> any suggestions as to how to set the root password and get >>> the mysql prompt? > >> Here's what a google search turned up: > >> >>https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-reset-your-mysql- >>or-mariadb-root-password > >went there . > >root mysql[792] mysql --version >mysql Ver 15.1 Distrib 10.1.24-MariaDB, for Linux (x86_64) using >readline 5.1 > >MariaDB [(none)]> ALTER USER 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY >'xx'; >ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the >manual that corresponds to your MariaDB server version for the right >syntax to use near 'USER 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'xx'' >at line 1 > >(ok -- can't see any typos, we try the alternative) > >MariaDB [(none)]> UPDATE mysql.user SET authentication_string = >PASSWORD('xx') WHERE User = 'root' AND Host = 'localhost'; >Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.08 sec) >Rows matched: 1 Changed: 0 Warnings: 0 > >(looks ok) > >MariaDB [(none)]> FLUSH PRIVILEGES; >Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) > >MariaDB [(none)]> quit >Bye > >(now we kill it) > >root ~[193] pseo mariadb >1873127 Sl 11:20 /usr/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/usr >--datadir=/var/lib/mysql --plugin-dir=/usr/lib64/mysql/plugin >--user=mysql --skip-grant-tables --skip-networking >--log-error=/var/log/mariadb/mariadb.log >--pid-file=/var/run/mariadb/mariadb.pid --socket=/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock >root ~[194] kill 18737 >root ~[195] pseo mariadb >[1]+ Donemysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables >--skip-networking > >(and restart) > >root ~[196] systemctl start mariadb >root ~[197] mysql >ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using >password: YES) >root ~[198] mysql -u root -p >Enter password: >ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using >password: YES) > >getting very discouraged. > >ole dan > >j. daniel moylan >84 harvard ave >brookline, ma 02446-6202 >617-777-0207 (cel) >j...@moylan.us >www.moylan.us >[no html pls] >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] AT eliminating copper phone lines
Magic Jack works great. I still have my phone number of 20+ years, and it’s cheap. From: Discuss on behalf of Daniel Barrett Reply-To: Daniel Barrett Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 3:01 PM To: "discuss@blu.org" Cc: Daniel Barrett Subject: [Discuss] AT eliminating copper phone lines AT is finally eliminating its copper phone lines in my area. (I recall Tom Metro starting a BLU discussion when Verizon did the same thing in 2013.) The alternatives for a home landline now seem to be: 1. Let AT replace my copper with a fiber optic line. (Con: Expensive service, $100/month.) 2. Add phone service to my existing Verizon FIOS Internet plan. (Con: I lose my phone number of 25 years.) 3. Switch to Vonage. (Con: Might not work with an alarm system.) 4. Eliminate the landline. (Con: Screws the alarm system, and cellphone voice quality is too poor for my damaged hearing.) Am I missing any better options? -- Dan Barrett dbarr...@blazemonger.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] emoji in my url
But then you still won’t know where you are. From: Discuss on behalf of Bill Horne Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:35 AM To: "discuss@blu.org" Subject: Re: [Discuss] emoji in my url On 3/23/2017 10:08 AM, Eric Chadbourne wrote: I just noticed that you can have an emoji URL. I'm I just old or is this moronic? The url bar should contain plain text and obscure nothing, else how do you know where you are? Wow, that's neat. Can I register "TheDonaldSays[middle-finger-upraised].com"? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] mysql problem
DB probably locked during migration and the query to log returned nothing. From: Discuss on behalf of dan moylan Date: Monday, August 22, 2016 at 4:31 PM To: "discuss@blu.org" Cc: betty moylan Subject: [Discuss] mysql problem i run a perl cgi script on www/moylan.us as well as on my home computer. on saturday while i was at the linux install fest the script ran fine both places, but in the afternoon it failed at moylan.us, though it continued fine on my local host. my web hosting service was migrating to a different server over the lunch hour. the error message i receive is: Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /home/moylan/ulmmoy/prl/sub/USR/USR.pm line 777. the code around there is: 775 # get all current logins 776$stm = "select * from log"; 777$sh0 = $dh0->prepare ($stm); 778$sh0->execute (); i had the same problem two years ago, but on my home machine, not moylan.us where the script ran fine. as best i can recall, the solution involved disabling selinux -- though i'm not certain. however, i checked and the remote server already has selinux disabled. any thoughts as to what could be going on? ole dan j. daniel moylan 84 harvard ave brookline, ma 02446-6202 617-777-0207 (cel) j...@moylan.us www.moylan.us [no html pls] ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] My Bank's Web Site is Behaving Oddly
Actually I was on a VPN so maybe that's why Sent from my iPhone > On May 4, 2016, at 7:39 PM, John Hall <johnhall...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Joe Polcari <j...@polcari.com> wrote: >> same answer – what’s the point? > > Hey! Your queries showed that comcast has faster dns now. > Comcast was also faster for me for this same query. My results > (google/comcast): (45 msec / 22 msec), were both faster than your results > (134 msec / 62 msec ) probably because it's later in the day. > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] My Bank's Web Site is Behaving Oddly
The domain did not expire. It was renewed in 2015 for 2 years. Look at the Whois output. Sent from my iPhone > On May 4, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Kent Borgwrote: > >> On 05/04/2016 05:51 PM, John Hall wrote: >> Are you using your ISP's DNS ? Is it comcast? > > Various. I did manual lookups on 8.8.8.8, but at home I run my own DNS, on my > phone I get T-Mobile's, at Linode I must be using theirs. > > So what is the difference between my bank using Incapsula to run its website, > and someone spotting that a bank's domain is about to expire and setting up a > middleman in hopes it will lapse, grabbing it if it does? If the certificate > and the whois data make no mention of the bank, how do I know I am talking to > the bank? Just trust that Incapsula was careful in vetting the account? > > -kb, the Kent who finds it unnerving that his bank shares a cert with > 100-something other domains. > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] My Bank's Web Site is Behaving Oddly
same answer – what’s the point? 10:Downloads jpolca200$ dig @8.8.8.8 leaderbank.com ; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> @8.8.8.8 leaderbank.com ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 11223 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;leaderbank.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: leaderbank.com. 7199 IN A 107.154.110.32 leaderbank.com. 7199 IN A 107.154.108.32 ;; Query time: 134 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) ;; WHEN: Wed May 4 18:23:12 2016 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 64 10:Downloads jpolca200$ dig leaderbank.com ; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> leaderbank.com ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 6767 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;leaderbank.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: leaderbank.com. 4986 IN A 107.154.110.32 leaderbank.com. 4986 IN A 107.154.108.32 ;; Query time: 62 msec ;; SERVER: 69.252.80.80#53(69.252.80.80) ;; WHEN: Wed May 4 18:23:23 2016 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 64 10:Downloads jpolca200$ From: John Hall Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 6:06 PM To: Joe Polcari Cc: Kent Borg, "discuss@blu.org" Subject: Re: [Discuss] My Bank's Web Site is Behaving Oddly On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Joe Polcari <j...@polcari.com> wrote: I’m actually inside comcast – no browser jacking – pure unhindered network. You could try resolv.conf setting your mahcine to use the google dns 8.8.8.8 , 8.8.4.4 I believe this will override setting returned by dchp ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] My Bank's Web Site is Behaving Oddly
In fact there is a javascript on their login page with a named copyright holder that encrypts your login information before it’s even sent over ssl. Looks good to me. On 5/4/16, 5:53 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Joe Polcari" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of j...@polcari.com> wrote: >I just did a dig - the output indicates they have a private listing - that;s >all. >I looked at the site and it looks legit. >I clicked through a lot of the pages and looked at the source - it all looks >good. > > > >On 5/4/16, 5:37 PM, "Kent Borg" <kentb...@borg.org> wrote: > >>On 05/04/2016 05:31 PM, Joe Polcari wrote: >>> More than likely they got their domain back and DNS is updating >> >>How long should a "whois leaderbank.com" take to update? The output I >>get is still cloaked and that seems odd for a bank. And, shouldn't the >>certificate mention the bank? >> >>-kb, the Kent who admits he doesn't know how https works through Akamai >>and the like. >> > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] My Bank's Web Site is Behaving Oddly
I’m actually inside comcast – no browser jacking – pure unhindered network. From: John Hall Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 5:51 PM To: Joe Polcari Cc: Kent Borg, "discuss@blu.org" Subject: Re: [Discuss] My Bank's Web Site is Behaving Oddly Updates can take quite a long time to be disseminated, and also some DNS servers are just flat out terrible. Are you using your ISP's DNS ? Is it comcast? A few years ago I ditched comcast DNS for Google public DNS servers. I configure this in the router. IP v4 addresses are 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. The IP v6 addresses are at https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using#important_before_you_start This made a very noticeable difference in latency Also at that point comcast was doing wacky browser jacking that really infuriated me. I believe this was on domains that were not found. I don't imagine they are still doing the browser jacking ... at least I hope not! If they are though it is a clear sign you are using their dns. I believe I could not get a google search .. instead it would return a comcast search if the domain was not found. On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Joe Polcari <j...@polcari.com> wrote: More than likely they got their domain back and DNS is updating On 5/4/16, 5:28 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Kent Borg" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of kentb...@borg.org> wrote: >On 05/04/2016 04:43 PM, Kent Borg wrote: >> The domain leaderbank.com is acting odd for me... >> >> Last Friday the URL I paste to go to my bank >> (https://www.leaderbank.com) quit working. After some futzing, I tried >> switching form https and doing just http, and I got what looks like a >> parking page. I looked at the whois and the domain got renewed on >> Friday, and the holder is cloaked/private. >> >> I called the bank and said their domain expired, and it was news to >> the person I talked to. Today, I look again, and it all looks the same. > >Except, as I do more experiments, the various combinations started to >work. It is almost as if someone was watching an error log and fixing >the bugs I was exposing. Was it a good guy or a bad guy? > > >-kb, the Kent who still wonders about the domain being private and the >certificate looking completely generic. > > >P.S. And I got my VPN working on my new computer. > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] My Bank's Web Site is Behaving Oddly
I just did a dig - the output indicates they have a private listing - that;s all. I looked at the site and it looks legit. I clicked through a lot of the pages and looked at the source - it all looks good. On 5/4/16, 5:37 PM, "Kent Borg" <kentb...@borg.org> wrote: >On 05/04/2016 05:31 PM, Joe Polcari wrote: >> More than likely they got their domain back and DNS is updating > >How long should a "whois leaderbank.com" take to update? The output I >get is still cloaked and that seems odd for a bank. And, shouldn't the >certificate mention the bank? > >-kb, the Kent who admits he doesn't know how https works through Akamai >and the like. > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] My Bank's Web Site is Behaving Oddly
More than likely they got their domain back and DNS is updating On 5/4/16, 5:28 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Kent Borg" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of kentb...@borg.org> wrote: >On 05/04/2016 04:43 PM, Kent Borg wrote: >> The domain leaderbank.com is acting odd for me... >> >> Last Friday the URL I paste to go to my bank >> (https://www.leaderbank.com) quit working. After some futzing, I tried >> switching form https and doing just http, and I got what looks like a >> parking page. I looked at the whois and the domain got renewed on >> Friday, and the holder is cloaked/private. >> >> I called the bank and said their domain expired, and it was news to >> the person I talked to. Today, I look again, and it all looks the same. > >Except, as I do more experiments, the various combinations started to >work. It is almost as if someone was watching an error log and fixing >the bugs I was exposing. Was it a good guy or a bad guy? > > >-kb, the Kent who still wonders about the domain being private and the >certificate looking completely generic. > > >P.S. And I got my VPN working on my new computer. > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Encrypt Everything? Good Luck With That
I tried a few of them, including this one. None worked. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 9.3 Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 30, 2016, at 12:34 AM, IngeGNUe <ingeg...@riseup.net> wrote: > >> On 03/29/16 22:09, Joe Polcari wrote: >> That's great if you've already degraded your security by having Siri listen >> all the time. >> If you haven't already compromised your own security, this won't work. > HA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOMKF2FL3N0 > > There are other ways than with Siri :) > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Encrypt Everything? Good Luck With That
That's great if you've already degraded your security by having Siri listen all the time. If you haven't already compromised your own security, this won't work. -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of IngeGNUe Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 6:53 PM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Encrypt Everything? Good Luck With That On 03/28/16 20:14, Rich Pieri wrote: > An important bit of news came down a few hours ago. It reminded me > that I've harped on a couple of security points on this list over the years. > > One: physical security is paramount. > > Two: encryption is not a substitute for physical security. > > Apple's allegedly unbreakable iPhone security, what stymied the FBI > for months, was broken in a matter of days once someone figured out a > viable > attack: > > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/03/feds-break-through-seized-i > phone-stand-down-in-legal-battle-with-apple/ > Agreed. LOL I remember watching a YouTube video explaining how to bypass the iPhone's passcode. They took Apple to court over the screen lock?! >The iOS 9 phone was encrypted with a four-digit passcode, and >investigators were afraid that if they enter the wrong passcode 10 >times, it would auto-delete all the data on the phone. The initial >order would have forced Apple to create a customized version of iOS >that would disable this lockout feature, enabling the government to >brute force passcodes until it could get in. They could have Google'd/Ducked/Searx'd it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKTFEtcKSkc https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=get+around+the+iphone+passcode Quantum computers are coming too, which would break all the locks ever -- as far as I understand. Encryption is literally an arms race of "brute force" computing power against mathematical obstacles, and protection against attacks is limited by access to said computing power and access to, as you say, physical security. Stronger shields, better weapons to break the shields, stronger shields, better... In the end, the little people will be left with the least protection of both kinds because they are always falling behind. Warning: Thinking about it too much will induce burn-out. :/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] free email less intrusive than google
Thank you for saying what I obviously was not not capable of saying. On 3/15/16, 5:48 PM, "Derek Martin"wrote: >On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 04:07:13PM -0400, Gordon Marx wrote: >> Yes, you are aggressively missing the point. >> >> "apparently my intentions don't count" >> >> Your intentions, in fact, do not count, Your impact is what counts. I >> can't tell what your intentions are, and all the good intentions in >> the world don't stop actions from doing damage. > >Intent DOES matter, and it MUST--it's the only thing that the actor >can control. Intent is a big part of proving many kinds of crimes for >exactly that reason. Your philosophy puts the burden on literally >every human to know what might offend literally every other human, but >that is very obviously unreasonable, particularly since that is mostly >arbitrary, depending on a wide variety of factors that are impossible >to know in the general case, like the person's local / regional social >norms, ethnicity and culture, personality, etc.. The only way to live >up to that is to never say anything. > >I once saw a black man become irate on a street corner because he was >referred to as "African American" -- he was very clear that he was >neither African nor American. I was once myself castigated by a >Chinese-American woman for using the word "Oriental" in a cultural >context, because "That's derogatory," when my girlfriend at the time >was Chinese and used the word proudly. > >You simply can not know what will offend people, and getting uppety >about people's usages of particular phraseology is, I think, a waste >of your energy. Impuning someone publicly for doing it with innocent >intent is, for my money, much more offensive than the act itself. And >it IS a form of oppression. Now, if someone is being intentionally >disrespectful, that's another matter... but frankly I see far less >peer pressure from the PC crowd here or elsewhere in those situations >than in this one, so long as the discourse contains no hot-button >phrases. > >Some of you claim PC is about being respectful. But if that was your >goal, you'd message the OP privately about his comments that bother >you, to show him respect, keeping the noise off the list to respect >the other list members in the process. So I call BS. > >-- >Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 >-=-=-=-=- >This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in >undeliverable mail due to spam prevention. Sorry for the inconvenience. > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] free email less intrusive than google
Good thing you’re not a Judge. Wait, you’re not a Judge, right? On 3/15/16, 4:07 PM, "Gordon Marx" <gcm...@gmail.com> wrote: >Yes, you are aggressively missing the point. > >"apparently my intentions don't count" > >Your intentions, in fact, do not count, Your impact is what counts. I >can't tell what your intentions are, and all the good intentions in >the world don't stop actions from doing damage. > >On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Joe Polcari <j...@polcari.com> wrote: >> And if everyone had that attitude, this politically correct crap wouldn’t >> exist … but nooo. >> But who am I to judge - if it pisses you off, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean >> anything by it, I just won’t say it anymore to you, I didn’t know it meant >> anything other what I intended but apparently my intentions don’t count. >> The politically correct stuff comes from someone trying to suppress my >> speech because it ‘may’ insult someone/anyone. >> Like the holiday is named Christmas, but you can’t say it when wishing >> someone a good holiday. >> Or am I missing the point? >> >> >> >> >> On 3/15/16, 3:56 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Rich Pieri" >> <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of >> richard.pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>On 3/15/2016 3:15 PM, Joe Polcari wrote: >>>> You can’t say “good day” because it can be interpreted by someone who >>>> is having a bad day as sarcastic remark. >>> >>>Nonono. He's allowed to say it, or write it as the case may be. Freedom >>>of speech includes speech that I might not like. I think it doesn't >>>reflect favorably on him, throwing an insult in my face and then >>>flouncing, but no skin off my teeth. >>> >>>-- >>>Rich P. >>>___ >>>Discuss mailing list >>>Discuss@blu.org >>>http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@blu.org >> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] free email less intrusive than google
And if everyone had that attitude, this politically correct crap wouldn’t exist … but nooo. But who am I to judge - if it pisses you off, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean anything by it, I just won’t say it anymore to you, I didn’t know it meant anything other what I intended but apparently my intentions don’t count. The politically correct stuff comes from someone trying to suppress my speech because it ‘may’ insult someone/anyone. Like the holiday is named Christmas, but you can’t say it when wishing someone a good holiday. Or am I missing the point? On 3/15/16, 3:56 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Rich Pieri" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of richard.pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >On 3/15/2016 3:15 PM, Joe Polcari wrote: >> You can’t say “good day” because it can be interpreted by someone who >> is having a bad day as sarcastic remark. > >Nonono. He's allowed to say it, or write it as the case may be. Freedom >of speech includes speech that I might not like. I think it doesn't >reflect favorably on him, throwing an insult in my face and then >flouncing, but no skin off my teeth. > >-- >Rich P. >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] free email less intrusive than google
You can’t say “good day” because it can be interpreted by someone who is having a bad day as sarcastic remark. On 3/15/16, 2:51 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Gordon Marx" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of gcm...@gmail.com> wrote: >I SAID GOOD DAY. > >On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Rich Pieri <richard.pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 3/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gordon Marx wrote: >>> That's not what suppression means, Rich, and if you don't know it, >>> you're doing a pretty good job of insulating yourself from the outside >>> world. >> >> Please enlighten me because I thought suppress meant to curtail, to stop >> activities, to do away with, to subdue, to withhold from publication and >> so forth. >> >> On 3/15/2016 12:50 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: >>> then Person C says to Person A, "you're being oppressive," it doesn't >>> then make Person C the oppressor.) >> >> It makes C an oppressor, too. C is trying to apply social pressure to A >> with the goal of curtailing A's speech. That's oppression. Whether or >> not A is wrong for saying it is orthogonal to C being wrong for trying >> to suppress it. >> >> -- >> Rich P. >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@blu.org >> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] free email less intrusive than google
Yah, neither does mine. I must be on the wrong mailing list or something. On 3/15/16, 12:32 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Drew Van Zandt" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of drew.vanza...@gmail.com> wrote: >My Linux system doesn't have any of these weird commands installed. > > > >*Drew Van ZandtArtisan's Asylum Board of DirectorsFirefly Arts Collective >Board of Directors* > >On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Peter Olson <pe...@peabo.com> wrote: > >> > On March 15, 2016 at 7:52 AM "Edward Ned Harvey (blu)" < >> b...@nedharvey.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Political correctness is synonymous with respect for other people. >> > >> > Anytime someone says they're sick of being politically correct, it means >> they >> > want to be disrespectful of other people, without any backlash. >> > >> > The white man in the room doesn't get to tell us what's racist and >> what's not >> > racist. If the majority of black people would feel that's a racist term, >> then >> > by definition, it is. >> > >> > Cotton pickin isn't racist, just like the confederate flag isn't racist. >> > Meaning - they both are. Because the majority of African Americans feel >> they >> > are. >> >> To give another example, I heard someone yesterday refer to the paddy >> wagon. >> She was in a belligerent mood, so I did not think to inform her. >> >> Dictionary.com has an entry for paddy wagon which claims >> >> 1. Informal. patrol wagon. >> >> 1925-30; probably paddy policeman, special use of paddy >> >> Much further down the page it says >> >> Slang definitions & phrases for paddy wagon >> >> [1930+; fr patrol wagon, perhaps influenced by the fact that many >> policemen >> were of Irish extraction, hence paddies] >> >> The entry for paddy reveals >> >> Origin >> familiar variant of Irish Padraig Patrick >> Usage note >> This term is used as a neutral nickname or term of address for an >> Irishman, >> though it may be perceived as insulting. >> >> Dictionaries are supposed to define the actual usage of a word, based on >> citations of its use. But this can only do a limited depth into the >> origin. >> >> Is the paddy wagon the truck where the drunken Irishmen are loaded, or is >> it the >> the truck operated by the Irish police in America? I suspect the former, >> but I >> don't have any way to determine the truth. I think the term must have >> originated in the police vernacular. >> >> Dictionary.com continues: >> >> Paddy >> noun (pl) -dies >> 1. (Brit, informal) a fit of temper >> >> H, further down: >> >> An Irish person or person of Irish extraction (1780+) >> >> Now, guess what? If you look at these definitions you'll find lots of >> arguments >> that this was inoffensive. It might be true. The compilers of the >> dictionary >> probably never got hauled off in a paddy wagon >> >> Peter Olson >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@blu.org >> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] What was once old is new again...
Lol! I was - my license lapsed a long time ago. On 2/18/16, 12:28 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Bill Horne" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of b...@horne.net> wrote: >On 2/18/2016 12:19 PM, Joe Polcari wrote: >> And I¹ve done that as a ham radio op in the 70s > >Uh-oh: another ham! > >I'll have to watch out - I was going to tell the story about how I >learned to send BAUDOT from a straight key. ;-) > >Bill, W4EWH > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] What was once old is new again...
And I¹ve done that as a ham radio op in the 70s On 2/18/16, 12:16 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Bill Horne" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of b...@horne.net> wrote: >On 2/18/2016 12:05 PM, Drew Van Zandt wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:27 AM, Bill Horne <b...@horne.net >> <mailto:b...@horne.net>> wrote: >> >> loading FOCAL from paper tape >> >> >> Whatever happened to toggling in boot/diagnostic code on the front >> panel? Kids these days... >> > >Sheesh, anyone can do THAT. You haven't lived until you've had to take >the cover off a 33 ASR and clean the reader contacts before it will make >it all the way through the tape! > >Ultimate triva: what is the key combination used to punch "blank" leader >in eight-level tape? > >Bill "I've got a million of 'em" Horne > >-- >Bill Horne >828-678-1548 > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] What was once old is new again...
I did that on DG Novas rebranded as Computervision systems. On 2/18/16, 12:05 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Drew Van Zandt" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of drew.vanza...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:27 AM, Bill Horne <b...@horne.net> wrote: > >> loading FOCAL from paper tape > > >Whatever happened to toggling in boot/diagnostic code on the front panel? >Kids these days... > >*Drew Van ZandtArtisan's Asylum Board of DirectorsFirefly Arts Collective >Board of Directors* >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Profiting from GPL software
Loading anything always voided the warranty. Even if it did ship with linux. On 11/10/15, 12:33 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Rich Pieri" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of richard.pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >On 11/10/2015 11:10 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote: >> False. Linksys WRT1900ac ships with Linux. See the bootlog for the >> OEM firmware here: > >That boot log is almost two years old. Linksys no longer ship OpenWRT, >and installing it or any other third-party firmware voids the warranty: > >http://www.linksys.com/us/p/P-WRT1900AC/ > >"‡While Linksys fully embraces the open source community and is >providing open source use capabilities, they do not offer technical >support on using open source firmware. Installing 3rd party firmware is >done at your own risk and replacing factory-installed firmware with >OpenWRT firmware will void your warranty. Please always seek the advice >of more experienced users via open source community forums if you’re >unsure." > >-- >Rich P. >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] [kind of off topic] noise canceling headphones
http://www.techriggs.com/best-headphones-for-drummers/ On 10/30/15, 11:23 AM, "Discuss on behalf of Dan Ritter" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of d...@randomstring.org> wrote: >On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:12:35AM -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote: >> In my condo the loft where I have my computer and tv is wide open to the >> living room. My current headphones are Sennheiser RS 170 over ear. They >>are >> comfortable and give good sound quality, but don't block out enough of >>the >> TV noise from downstairs. When I looked at noise canceling headphones, >>the >> only decent ones were wired, and I didn't want a bunch of wires running >> across the floor to the TV, but I can live with that. Any suggestions. > > >Look for "drummer isolation headphones". They're designed for >drum-players to be able to listen to the rest of the band... > >-dsr- >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Mr Robot
I am. Also impressed that they postponed the last episode due to similarities with current news events. On 9/1/15, 4:25 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Eric Chadbourne" <discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org on behalf of eric.chadbou...@icloud.com> wrote: >Hello virtual friends. Any of you watching this show? >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4158110/ If you can tolerate crap like >Scorpion you'll love this. The tech references are more realistic than >other shows I've seen and the writing is fun. In the first episode they >reference gnome. Wonderful! > >Eric Chadbourne >Nonprofit-CRM.org > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@blu.org >http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Cool Processing
And that¹s why. Thanks. From: Drew Van Zandt drew.vanza...@gmail.com Date: Friday, June 19, 2015 at 1:32 PM To: j...@polcari.com j...@polcari.com Cc: Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com, discuss@blu.org discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Cool Processing You're assuming changing the voltage changes nothing else, if you try to apply Ohm's law directly. Many other things change when you change the supply voltage of a semiconductor/PCB. Among them: Switching thresholds Edge rates Leakage currents Capacitance of most of your capacitors Drew Van Zandt Artisan's Asylum Board of Directors Firefly Arts Collective Board of Directors On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Joe Polcari j...@polcari.com wrote: And ohm's law doesn't apply why? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/19/2015 11:02 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Today I have a 16GB RAM box, with dual core CPU (I wanted things to stay cool), I think I recently mentioned buying a new notebook. If I didn't, well I am mentioning it now: a Mythlogic-branded Clevo P750ZM. It has a Core i7-4790K processor. You read that right: a 15 notebook with a socketed Devil's Canyon i7 desktop CPU. I think I have some grounds for saying that limiting yourself to 2 cores is a poor way of managing heat. AMD and Intel processors draw substantially more power than they actually need. Every processor is different and the minimum stable power varies so they ship with the stock power draw set high enough that all processors in a series will run stably. Excess power turns into waste heat. This is why my i7 quickly reaches 99C under load and throttles if I don't do something about it. That something is called undervolting. As the name suggests it means reducing the voltage that the processor draws. Since every processor is a little different there is no single ideal undervolting setting. Finding the ideal for a given processor requires some trial and error, same as overclocking. A common starting point for Haswell i7 processors is -80mV dynamic CPU voltage offset and -100mV processor cache voltage offset. My 4790K barely reaches 80C with Intel XTU's stress test with these settings. That's the same as the i7-4790S at 3.2GHz (what the notebook originally shipped with) while running 20% faster at 4.0GHz. I figured that was good enough and called it done. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Cool Processing
This also assumes that you have a way to adjust voltages I¹ve only seen something like that on gaming Pcs. From: Drew Van Zandt drew.vanza...@gmail.com Date: Friday, June 19, 2015 at 2:52 PM To: j...@polcari.com j...@polcari.com Cc: Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com, discuss@blu.org discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Cool Processing ...and I probably left 6 other things that change out, that was just what came to mind immediately. :-) Drew Van Zandt Artisan's Asylum Board of Directors Firefly Arts Collective Board of Directors On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Joe Polcari j...@polcari.com wrote: And that¹s why. Thanks. From: Drew Van Zandt drew.vanza...@gmail.com Date: Friday, June 19, 2015 at 1:32 PM To: j...@polcari.com j...@polcari.com Cc: Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com, discuss@blu.org discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Cool Processing You're assuming changing the voltage changes nothing else, if you try to apply Ohm's law directly. Many other things change when you change the supply voltage of a semiconductor/PCB. Among them: Switching thresholds Edge rates Leakage currents Capacitance of most of your capacitors Drew Van Zandt Artisan's Asylum Board of Directors Firefly Arts Collective Board of Directors On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Joe Polcari j...@polcari.com wrote: And ohm's law doesn't apply why? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/19/2015 11:02 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Today I have a 16GB RAM box, with dual core CPU (I wanted things to stay cool), I think I recently mentioned buying a new notebook. If I didn't, well I am mentioning it now: a Mythlogic-branded Clevo P750ZM. It has a Core i7-4790K processor. You read that right: a 15 notebook with a socketed Devil's Canyon i7 desktop CPU. I think I have some grounds for saying that limiting yourself to 2 cores is a poor way of managing heat. AMD and Intel processors draw substantially more power than they actually need. Every processor is different and the minimum stable power varies so they ship with the stock power draw set high enough that all processors in a series will run stably. Excess power turns into waste heat. This is why my i7 quickly reaches 99C under load and throttles if I don't do something about it. That something is called undervolting. As the name suggests it means reducing the voltage that the processor draws. Since every processor is a little different there is no single ideal undervolting setting. Finding the ideal for a given processor requires some trial and error, same as overclocking. A common starting point for Haswell i7 processors is -80mV dynamic CPU voltage offset and -100mV processor cache voltage offset. My 4790K barely reaches 80C with Intel XTU's stress test with these settings. That's the same as the i7-4790S at 3.2GHz (what the notebook originally shipped with) while running 20% faster at 4.0GHz. I figured that was good enough and called it done. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there?
VirtualBox -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Bill Horne Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:37 PM To: BLU Discussion List Subject: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there? I'm starting a new thread instead of hijacking the os x = poop thread. Eric Chadbourne wrote: Hi Ed, How do you like vmware? I've been using virtualbox for years but I heard recently there's only one dev really maintaining it. Too big a project for that. I wonder if it will be discontinued soon? My question: does VMWare or Virtualbox still offer no-cost software for home/personal use? I'd like to run both Linux and Windows 7 (for all the usual reasons), but I don't know if I can do it without paying for a VM. TIA. Bill -- E. William Horne 339-364-8487 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there?
Says it's fixed? -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Greg Rundlett (freephile) Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:51 PM To: Jack Coats Cc: BLU Discussion List Subject: Re: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there? I've been using VirtualBox, but need to check out Xen because VirtualBox locks up hard due to a 3-yr old networking bug that isn't getting any attention. https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/10624 https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/12264 Greg Rundlett http://eQuality-Tech.com http://freephile.org On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: Like Xen (xenproject.org)? On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Bill Horne b...@horne.net wrote: I'm starting a new thread instead of hijacking the os x = poop thread. Eric Chadbourne wrote: Hi Ed, How do you like vmware? I've been using virtualbox for years but I heard recently there's only one dev really maintaining it. Too big a project for that. I wonder if it will be discontinued soon? My question: does VMWare or Virtualbox still offer no-cost software for home/personal use? I'd like to run both Linux and Windows 7 (for all the usual reasons), but I don't know if I can do it without paying for a VM. TIA. Bill -- E. William Horne 339-364-8487 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ... Jack Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart... Colossians 3:23 Anyone who has never made a mistake, has never tried anything new. - Albert Einstein You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people. - Admiral Grace Hopper, USN Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn. - Ben Franklin ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Home server
Automatic updates - well checking, it still requires you to say 'do it'. -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Richard Pieri Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 10:30 AM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Home server On 1/26/2015 12:59 AM, Joe Polcari wrote: FreeNAS is all of that and built for storage and file sharing with a web interface. FreeNAS runs as an embedded OS. You don't install it; you dump the image to a USB flash drive and boot from that. Very simple to deploy, much pain to install security updates. PC-BSD and TrueOS are full installations like vanilla FreeBSD. More work to install, less hassle to update. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Home server
BTW, running an image is an option. You can also do an install to a dedicated drive/SSD as well. Smallest you can find, so cheap, as long as you can set your system to boot from it. -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Joe Polcari Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 11:54 AM To: 'Richard Pieri'; discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Home server Automatic updates - well checking, it still requires you to say 'do it'. -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Richard Pieri Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 10:30 AM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Home server On 1/26/2015 12:59 AM, Joe Polcari wrote: FreeNAS is all of that and built for storage and file sharing with a web interface. FreeNAS runs as an embedded OS. You don't install it; you dump the image to a USB flash drive and boot from that. Very simple to deploy, much pain to install security updates. PC-BSD and TrueOS are full installations like vanilla FreeBSD. More work to install, less hassle to update. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Home server
I have quite a few FreeNAS boxes in service right now and that is not how they work. -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Richard Pieri Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:57 PM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Home server On 1/26/2015 11:54 AM, Joe Polcari wrote: Automatic updates - well checking, it still requires you to say 'doit'. Look deeper: FreeNAS runs from images. When you update FreeNAS you download a new image and that image is added to the boot loader. Installing FreeNAS to a fixed drive entails using another host to install the image to the drive and then moving the drive to the FreeNAS host. Upgrades are done the same way: remove the drive, install a new image, return it. Pain in the behind and a waste of a perfectly good SSD that would be better used for ZIL. One way to look at the difference between FreeNAS and PC-BSD is Android vs. Ubuntu. Similar idea: FreeNAS and PC-BSD share the same kernel and user space but in practice the former is a file service appliance while the latter is a full-on computing system. NB for Rohan: FreeNAS has a recommended minimum of 8GB RAM. PC-BSD has a more modest 1GB minimum with 2-4GB recommended. If the system supports two DDR2 sticks then I strongly recommend upgrading to 4GB at the least regardless of what you run on it. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Home server
FreeNAS is all of that and built for storage and file sharing with a web interface. -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Richard Pieri Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 1:58 PM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Home server On 1/25/2015 12:37 PM, Rohan Joshi wrote: Is there any particular distribution that is better than Ubuntu for this purpose. I have a pentium D, and 2 gb of memory to work with. TrueOS. It's a server-focused variant of PC-BSD which is a FreeBSD derivative intended to be easy to deploy, use and maintain. Also, any other suggestions of how to go about this are welcome. TrueOS. ZFS with mirrored storage disks. SMB or rsync/Unison or whatever gets your data onto the server. zfs send to copy snapshots to removable media for longer-term archival storage. You could use CentOS with ZFS on Linux but you would be saddled with a lot of bloat that you don't want on a small server. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] [discuss] apache -- same old
Is your home dir 0700? -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of dan moylan Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 1:00 PM To: boston linux and unix (blu) Cc: betty moylan Subject: Re: [Discuss] [discuss] apache -- same old i had a typo here, but correcting it made no difference. lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root28 150113:1224 off-lnk-moy.htm - /home/moylan/www/lnk/off.lnk now lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root28 150113:1252 off-lnk-moy.htm - /home/moylan/www/lnk/off.htm sorry. ole dan j. daniel moylan 84 harvard ave brookline, ma 02446-6202 617-777-0207 (cel) j...@moylan.us www.moylan.us [avoid html waste.] ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] free SSL certs from the EFF
To me, that's a good reason for things to stop working. -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Richard Pieri Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 12:00 PM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] free SSL certs from the EFF On 12/4/2014 11:36 AM, Derek Martin wrote: Come on man, this statement is very obviously false. It only needs to be turned off in very specific, very limited circumstances, namely when you MUST do whatever you're doing RIGHT NOW, AND you can't find a reasonable alternative, like doing your work from a starbucks (or other hotspot or whatever) across the street, AND the consequences of not doing it RIGHT NOW are worse than the risk of getting hacked... ..which is like, never. Sure, I get that. Joe Average, on the other hand, probably doesn't care about that. He cares that his month-end report is due in 5 minutes and his mail hangs every time he presses send. DNSSEC validation may be protecting him from getting his mail hacked but it's doing so by preventing him from getting any of his work done. I call that a case of the cure being worse than the illness. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] free SSL certs from the EFF
More like Bad news: you have to find somewhere else to connect to the net if you're going to get fired for not doing so. -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Richard Pieri Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:01 PM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] free SSL certs from the EFF On 12/4/2014 12:15 PM, Joe Polcari wrote: To me, that's a good reason for things to stop working. For certain values of good I suppose. Good news: your email wasn't hacked. Bad news: you're fired for failing to submit your reports on time. On 12/4/2014 12:36 PM, John Hall wrote: I had not heard of DANE (DNS based authentication of named entities). I found found rfc-6698 in a search .. not sure if anyone mentioned it yet. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6698/ I think Firefox 34 takes note of it. It's a digital signature from a host's TLS key added to that host's DNS records which you can use instead of following the X.509 trust chain to verify the certificate. Which is to say, it shifts trust away from certificate authorities like VeriSign to top-level DNS registrars like VeriSign. And it has the same failure modes and lack of failure mitigation that DNSSEC has. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] raid controller drivers
Yes lvm and sw raid are in initrd. I always sw mirror /boot on a 2-300 MB and never had a problem using the mirror for recovery. Sent from my android device. -Original Message- From: John Hall johnhall...@gmail.com To: Joe Polcari j...@polcari.com Cc: Boston Linux and Unix discuss@blu.org Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [Discuss] raid controller drivers I agree with Richard that it's easier to put grub and kernels on a non-raid disk. You can also use that disk to save details of the configuration. If you want speed consider an ssd for boot. It only uses a slice of the drive, and you'd avoid all these problems with initrd - and also perhaps grub as well. I had a system set up to boot from a software raid array but now I'm much happier booting that system from SSD. I also save some configuration data useful for recovery on the ssd. I think there may be a script someplace to convert all disk settings to use UUIDs. I believe that some hardware raid cards are configured on system boot with a settings interface you could enter with a correctly timed key stroke like bios settings. ... Of course much has changed with boot over the last several years. At least with some controllers, the disks are available separately, but the single joined disk is not available until you have entered the setup and configured the disks as a raid volume. You could also just use mdraid to create the array from the disks, which will be about the same if the raid controller is a firmware controller without a dedicated processor and cache. I seem to remember that another gotcha is that grub might need to read from the controller if the boot volume is on the array. Grub can read from mdraid and lvm but at one point you had to set those modules to load, or be dropped to a prompt and load them yourself. Maybe it's now default, detected,... configured when you install the os.. I'm not sure... and don't know if you'd run into the same issue with hardware raid if you can configure the controller to present the array as a single sas or sata disk. One downside of raid is that whenever you read or write anything all the disks spin up. That generates more heat than reading from a single disk. I had two disc logic boards die at the same time because a fan on the backplane failed. I was using raid5 and so had to recover one of the discs and replace the second one. I was able to replace the logic board but it had to be a board from a very close serial number match... model match was not good enough. Ugh! I finally got the array back up... I used the lowest $/gb sata disks I could find. Good for you for using SAS disks ! Even so If you leave this system running you might want to monitor the disk temperature. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Joe Polcari j...@polcari.com wrote: I can't give you the exact steps off the top of my head, too dependent on google lately, but all you have to do once the correct driver is loaded is add the module to your initrd. On RH you can mkinitrd or you can actually do the process manually. -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Adler Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:58 PM To: Richard Pieri Cc: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] raid controller drivers On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 13:54 -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: On 9/24/2014 1:23 PM, Stephen Adler wrote: OK... so my question is, how do I configure the boot image to force it to include the SAS raid controller driver so I can boot from a disk connected to it? If it were me, you don't. I avoid doing this because it's a pain in the ass thanks to the Linux kernel's broken device enumeration mechanism. Instead, boot from a vanilla SATA disk on a vanilla SATA port set to be the first BIOS boot device. Optionally, mirror the boot volume with mdadm and set the two devices as first and second BIOS boot devices. Thanks Richard, that's how my system is setup right now. I was hoping to get rid of the generic SATA setup to boot fedora 20 and have a full SAS system booting from the SAS controller. So be it... Cheers. Steve. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] raid controller drivers
I can't give you the exact steps off the top of my head, too dependent on google lately, but all you have to do once the correct driver is loaded is add the module to your initrd. On RH you can mkinitrd or you can actually do the process manually. -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Adler Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:58 PM To: Richard Pieri Cc: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] raid controller drivers On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 13:54 -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: On 9/24/2014 1:23 PM, Stephen Adler wrote: OK... so my question is, how do I configure the boot image to force it to include the SAS raid controller driver so I can boot from a disk connected to it? If it were me, you don't. I avoid doing this because it's a pain in the ass thanks to the Linux kernel's broken device enumeration mechanism. Instead, boot from a vanilla SATA disk on a vanilla SATA port set to be the first BIOS boot device. Optionally, mirror the boot volume with mdadm and set the two devices as first and second BIOS boot devices. Thanks Richard, that's how my system is setup right now. I was hoping to get rid of the generic SATA setup to boot fedora 20 and have a full SAS system booting from the SAS controller. So be it... Cheers. Steve. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Verizon blacklisted me
Check your IP here http://mxtoolbox.com/NetworkTools.aspx -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Drew Van Zandt Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 12:40 PM To: Daniel Barrett Cc: blu Subject: Re: [Discuss] Verizon blacklisted me Many folks blacklist dynamic IP ranges. Often, even static IPs are in ranges that are known to be dynamic, and thus get blacklisted. *Drew Van Zandt Cam # US2010035593 (M:Agapito Acosta) * On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Daniel Barrett dbarr...@blazemonger.com wrote: Last week without warning, all my outgoing FIOS email started getting rejected by Verizon's SMTP server, smtp.verizon.net, with this error: 500 5.7.0 Unknown AUTH error -1 (Internal authentication error) I looked up 500 5.7.0, and it means my IP address has been blacklisted. (For no reason that I can imagine.) No client changes happened on my end to cause this. Has anyone else ever experienced this and gotten it fixed? The Verizon support people I've spoken with don't seem to have the knowledge to understand a server-side problem like this. They keep asking if I can log into their webmail server, what my Outlook settings are, etc. Eventually they check with some mysterious email server team, who claims my IP address is not blacklisted... and yet smtp.verizon.net is giving me the above SMTP error 500 5.7.0 every time. In the meantime, I have signed up with a different outgoing email provider, which is why I could send this note. :-) Thanks for any tips...! -- Dan Barrett dbarr...@blazemonger.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Seeking information on binaries called entities and fixup
It appears you're in a different directory. Try: strace /home/moder8/bin/entities -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Bill Horne Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:41 PM To: BLU Discussion List Subject: Re: [Discuss] Seeking information on binaries called entities and fixup On 7/28/2014 5:33 PM, Tom Metro wrote: Bill Horne wrote: No, they work on the old server, but fail on the new. I assume it's a permissions issue, but I can't figure out what might cause it. % strace entities Tom, Thanks for the suggestion. Here's a log snippet that may make this issue more clear: moder8@telecom:~/bin$ ls -lh /home/moder8/bin/entities -rwxrwxr-x 1 moder8 telecom 8.8K Jan 27 2012 /home/moder8/bin/entities moder8@telecom:~/bin$ ls -lh /var/www/html/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/I125 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 3.1K Jul 28 11:12 /var/www/html/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/I125 moder8@telecom:~/bin$ strace ./entities /var/www/html/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/I125 execve(./entities, [./entities, /var/www/html/archives/back.issu...], [/* 22 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) write(2, strace: exec: No such file or di..., 40strace: exec: No such file or directory ) = 40 exit_group(1) = ? +++ exited with 1 +++ moder8@telecom:~/bin$ As you can see, the file entities shows up in an ls listing, but not when I try to run it by itself or with strace. Thanks for your help! -- E. William Horne William Warren Consulting 339-364-8487 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
How much RF interference do these things generate? -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Ronan Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:35 AM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics While it may not meet your needs, another alternative often worth considering when trying to extent coverage in a building like that would be Powerline equipment, such as: this pair of Asoka Pluglink devices http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/221257888711?lpid=82 that would cost you close to $25 total including shipping. I have a couple like that (not sure if it's precisely the same model) in operation in an old Victorian and am pleased with the results. - S. On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Jim Gasek wrote: MBR: Regarding COVERAGE (RF signal strength): The obvious answer, easy for me b/c I built my house with CAT5 in the walls, home-runs to basement, is to have multiple (hard wired, in my case) wifi routers throughout the house. I have one in the basement Comm room, and another in the upstairs bedroom. In your worst case, you could hardwire one in the North and South corners of the basement, for example. Or pop a hole up to the first floor in a couple spots. Remember the donut shaped energy field off each antenna, and point appropriately. I use hardwired where I can, off the wifi router. The rest of the family, with ipads and smartphones need wireless. Even with no wires at all, you can do (less effective, but...) at least I think you can do radio to radio wifi routers. Called mesh? Never needed to do myself. I've been told, but not positive, that the radio sections of wifi routers seem to crap out over time, especially consumer grade products. Maybe just salesman folklore. There used to be a Linksys power pack type thing that boosted the RF signal, up to IETF RF signal limits. No opinion there. I'd guess all manufacturers tend to build today up to maximum power limits? And there are a plethora of directional antennas. I found them cost prohibitive, and too much trouble. Thanks, Jim Gasek --- m...@arlsoft.com wrote: From: MBR m...@arlsoft.com To: BLU Discussion List discuss@blu.org Subject: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 02:38:27 -0400 Apologies to Lewis Carroll. I'm afraid the following doesn't scan as well as his version: The time has come, my router said, to talk of many things. Of 802.11 ac and n and g and b, And why Cisco updates without permission. And the safety of ASUS settings. :-) It's long past time for me to replace my 802.11 g router with something more recent. But I have a few constraints that make it tricky to select the right router. So my question is, do any of you have experience with the ASUS RT-N66U or any other router that fits the constraints I describe below? While I'm interested in recommendations of what's worked well for you, I'd also appreciate warnings of what to stay away from. advTHANKSance for your help. My constraints are: 1. COVERAGE: The construction of the house the router will be installed in is problematic WRT getting signals through. It was built before drywall was in common use in the U.S. But rather than using wood lath, the plaster is held in place by lath. But it's not traditional wood lath. It's WIRE LATH. Also, the heating system is forced hot air, which means that there's SHEET-METAL DUCTWORK between all the ceilings and floors. So all the walls, floors, and ceilings have metal in them. With the old router, I had to replace one of the stick antennas with a directional antenna aimed toward the part of the house where coverage was weakest. But since 802.11 N and AC use MIMO, I believe that replacing one of the stick antennas with a directional antenna would screw up the interference pattern that MIMO depends on. I'm hoping that MIMO will solve the coverage problem that the directional antenna solved with the old router. Do any of you have any experience with routers in environments like this? If MIMO doesn't get me the coverage I need, what are my options? 2. N vs. AC: I have a 5 GHz cordless phone that I do not want to replace. It implements features that would be difficult to find a replacement for, and even if I could, replacing it would be quite expensive. So it was important for me to figure out whether this phone will interfere with an 802.11-AC router. It took several months of research, but eventually I determined that it definitely will interfere with over half of the 5 GHz WiFi channels used in the U.S. Since 802.11-AC only operates in the 5 GHz band, but 802.11-N operates in both the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands, 802.11-N seems like a much better choice
Re: [Discuss] rack mountable chassis
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/rackmount-cases-stands-furniture?isSuggestion =true -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Adler Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:36 PM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: [Discuss] rack mountable chassis Guys, I'm back in my obession mode, this time I'm putting my basement computers into a standard 19 rack. So any recommendations on rack mountable chassis? I have to mid tower systems and the plan is to take the components out of the mid tower chassis and assemble them into two rack mountable chassis. Cheers. Steve. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality
No. -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Conner Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:59 PM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality When we, the consumers band together and demand that our isp's not slow down our, the customer's, net activity and/or change isp's and say why we're leaving. They listen to money. Otherwise they don't care. I'm curious though. If you vpn from work, why doesn't the content stream get crippled upstream from there? No matter who the last mile isp is, don't the big telecoms own the internet backbones? On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:00 PM, discuss-requ...@blu.org wrote: Send Discuss mailing list submissions to discuss@blu.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-requ...@blu.org You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-ow...@blu.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Discuss digest... Today's Topics: 1. Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies (Edward Ned Harvey (blu)) 2. Re: Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISPmonopolies (Bill Horne) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 13:10:17 + From: Edward Ned Harvey (blu) b...@nedharvey.com To: discuss@blu.org discuss@blu.org Subject: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies Message-ID: 8a6a33076074465486f84ce055503...@co2pr04mb684.namprd04.prod.outlook.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Every night when I put my daughter to bed, I read her a book, or we play flashlight shadow puppets, or we watch videos such as The Duck Song, or Blackbeard, Bluebeard, Redbeard. We watch netflix, youtube, etc. Recently I noticed, that all our video streams get interrupted annoyingly frequently. Buffering every 1-15 minutes, it's infuriating. Sometimes I can dumb down the connection, switching to CC instead of HD. Sometimes it helps. Not always. So I VPN'd into work (We have a non-split-tunnel VPN available), and then we can watch it, no problem. It's the same content, being delivered over the same network, only it's encrypted and hidden from FiOS's routers. There's no other explanation, simply, caught red handed. When ISP's do something like this to Netflix, Youtube, etc, the end user perceives Netflix, Youtube, etc as being slow. It's not my internet connection; my internet connection works fine for other things. This is just Youtube being overloaded or whatever. Well, that's what you get when you try to watch something for free. Sigh. So I got to thinking, could encryption be used to circumvent greedy ISP's systematically? If everything were encrypted and unidentifiable, then the only thing they could do would be to throttle *all* the traffic, not just the big content distributors that they want to shake down. Then, the slow service would be recognizable to end users for what it is - a crippled internet connection, and not a deficiency of Netflix, Youtube, etc. Even if everything were tunneled over https, there are two obvious counters that the ISP's could take: They could inspect the DNS traffic and/or SSL subject name to find the name of the server. And/or they could try to create a list of all of Netflix's and Youtube's IP addresses, and throttle traffic based on these factors. Recently I noticed, that a lot of time when I go to download some file from some website, the content is actually redirected to come from s3.amazon.com. My point is to say: #1 the hostname doesn't need to be recognizable as *.youtube.com or *. netflix.com ... These guys could randomize all new DNS names all the time, so the exposed servername doesn't cause a problem. And #2 Content distribution networks don't necessarily have to have small recognizable IP ranges. Especially with the expansion of IPv6. Especially if large content distribution networks aggregate all sorts of traffic - netflix, youtube, and everyone else - If the content is distributed by a content distribution network, and LOTS of services use those networks, then the SSL cert could be *.akamai.com (or whatever) and if the ISP's want to throttle it, their only choice is to throttle *all* of the content indiscriminantly. -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:43:26 -0400 From: Bill Horne b...@horne.net To: BLU Discussion List discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies Message-ID: 53ce6a7e.60...@horne.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?
Really - which linux does this? I've built numerous servers with 24 SSDs and on the servers with no raid controllers, the disks are always enumerated in the order of what sata controller port they are plugged into for RH, Cent and Debian variants. -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Richard Pieri Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:33 PM To: 'Boston Linux and Unix' Subject: Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux? Joe Polcari wrote: This should help for your last point. I have a %pre script that runs in my kickstarts that fixes the enumeration problem of disks if you need it. This is appreciated. It's something to add to my bag of tricks. Still, this punctuates the point. Why do we need so many workarounds? Because the kernel's behavior is stupid. For the disks - especially when you have hardware raid and you want the disks in a specific order - you have to load the driver modules in the order you want the disks seen. This only works if you have different RAID controllers. If you have identical controllers or many disks on a single JBOD interface then there is no way to control the enumeration order. You have to fall back on hacks like volume labels and UUIDs. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] learn or teach programs
And for the people who want to take the jump, c'mon you can do it! Free entry level online training http://www.codecademy.com (scroll down to the grey part of the page to see the languages and modules). It looks like a great starting place for those interested. If you get into it and have questions, this site was called out as being a great resource http://stackoverflow.com. -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Peter (peabo) Olson Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 1:44 AM To: Mike Small; ma...@mohawksoft.com Cc: BLU Subject: Re: [Discuss] learn or teach programs On January 17, 2014 at 12:01 AM ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: rant or not I have an issue with trying to get people to program or develop software. You don't see lawyers saying we need more lawyers. You don't see many professions trying to actively recruit people. Most people who could program computers don't know that they can. It's true that the development of large software packages requires expertise that is only developed over a long time of journeymanship, but look at the available easy programming environments: Python Scratch CAD programs with command line interfaces Web server environments I hope we don't need more lawyers, but I encourage anyone to discover mastery of this universal machine, the computer. peabo ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Comcast Encryption
So how do you get internet now? Sent from my android device. -Original Message- From: ma...@mohawksoft.com To: discuss@blu.org Sent: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 5:54 PM Subject: [Discuss] Comcast Encryption I just bought a $14.99 amplified antenna for my house. (Microcenter) I can now cancel the last vestiges of cable TV. I am now broadcast and internet only. I get all the local channels I was getting before encryption for free. I refuse to rent a box to decrypt channels that are broadcast through the air unencrypted for free. Worse yet, basic cable is around $10 a month with additional charges for additional television sets. So, if you have two televisions, you pay comcast $180 a year for the privilege of renting two boxes to remove the encryption that they put there in order to make you need the box. F*^king Thieves. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Why are all my hard drives slow on Ubuntu? (new computer)
Ok now somebody explain why please. Daniel Barrett dbarr...@blazemonger.com wrote: SOLVED! Switching to a 64-bit kernel did the trick. I booted on the Ubuntu 13.04 64-bit live CD, and disk operations are speedy. Thank you to everybody who helped out with suggestions and the occasional snarky comment about 32-bit PAE! :-) -- Dan Barrett dbarr...@blazemonger.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] rsync v. cp in data migration
Something I haven't seen mentioned here is that rsync copies to a 'new' file in the same directory as the target, then moves the copy over to the target file. You can bypass this behavior and directly overwrite the target using --inplace when not using a network. -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Steve Harris Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 8:48 PM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] rsync v. cp in data migration Correct me if I'm wrong here, but 1) Using a tar pipeline will (should) always be slower than a single process (e.g., cp, cpio -p, rsync), because of the overhead of the two processes and the system buffering for the pipe. 2) Copying to an NFS-mounted filesystem is likely to be less efficient than alternatives (e.g., rsync) because of the NFS overhead -- it looks like a local filesystem but in fact there is a lot of network processing happening behind the scene. 3) I'm not an expert on rsync, but wasn't it (initially) written in a client-server mode to achieve very high efficiency copying files over a network? Especially when updating (large) files which may have changed slightly. 4) AFAIK, cp will not preserve hard links. rsync will (though not by default). cpio and tar will by default. - Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] On Btrfs raid and odd-count disks
Not me, the person whose explaination I was originally responding to who was who knows because this list strips off all the responses except the last one. Oh well. Never mind.- Original Message -From: quot;Edward Ned Harvey (blu)quot; ;b...@nedharvey.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] automation for installing to or converting to RAID
and the missing results BTW, these are 26 32GB SSDs. [root@localhost ~]# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv 28G 4.7G 22G 18% / tmpfs 7.8G 88K 7.8G 1% /dev/shm /dev/md0 243M 34M 197M 15% /boot /dev/mapper/optvg-optlv 241G 188M 228G 1% /opt [root@localhost ~]# pvs PV VG Fmt Attr PSize PFree /dev/md1 rootvg lvm2 a-- 29.06g 1.22g /dev/md3 optvg lvm2 a-- 28.78g 15.09g /dev/md4 optvg lvm2 a-- 28.78g 28.78g /dev/sdc1 optvg lvm2 a-- 230.47g 0 [root@localhost ~]# vgs\ VG #PV #LV #SN Attr VSize VFree optvg3 1 0 wz--n- 288.03g 43.88g rootvg 1 1 0 wz--n- 29.06g 1.22g [root@localhost ~]# lvs LV VG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy% Convert optlv optvg -wi-ao 244.16g rootlv rootvg -wi-ao 27.84g [root@localhost ~]# ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] What the use of .bashrc
If bash can do it, it's in this guide, my bash bible: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/abs-guide.pdf Sent from my iPad On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: I generally use Learning the BASH Shell as a reference, but here is the definition: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Shell-Parameter-Expansion On 10/30/2012 11:46 AM, John Abreau wrote: I just looked for that in the bash manpage, and i can't find anything describing that behavior. Can you highlight where you discovered that? On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: On 10/30/2012 10:58 AM, j...@polcari.com wrote: Looks to me like the first test only tests if $1 is not at the end of $PATHor am I missing something?- Original Message -From: quot;Jerry Feldmanquot; ;g...@blu.org No, it tests is $1 exists in $PATH. I really hate bash pattern matching because I have to read the manual every time I use them. in this case '*:$1:*' looks for $1 anywhere in $PATH. Look at expressions. A path is delimited by colons. So, this means look for $1 anywhere in a path. You can easily test it. I have not looked at some of the boundary cases, but they appear to work since I've been using this for years. case :${PATH}: in *:$1:*) ;; Note that $PATH is prepended and appended by ':'. So, assume a PATH is $HOME/bin/usr/bin, the pattern is :$HOME/bin:/usr/bin: So, it will look for $1 anywhere between 2 colons. http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Shell-Parameter-Expansion -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id:3BC1EB90 PGP Key fingerprint: 49E2 C52A FC5A A31F 8D66 C0AF 7CEA 30FC 3BC1 EB90 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss