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Hi,

Am 09.10.2010 um 05:20 schrieb NoOp:

 Like the OOo lists (and other gmane.org lists), posts via gmane.org
 shouldn't also require a direct email subscription as gmane.org does
the
 email verification directly before allowing a user to post to a list.
So
 perhaps some added tuning with gmane.org is necessary?

of course we do require subscription for people who want to subscribe to
mailing lists. Otherwise, we'd be the victim of spam very soon.

However, there is a nomail subscription you can use by using
listname+subscribe-nomail (e.g.
discuss+subscribe-nom...@documentfoundation.org). Then you can post, but
receive no messages.

Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Technical Support via Gmane?

Hi Harold,

there has been no message on the users list since GMANE joined. The
group will work as soon as the first message arrived.

Florian


Am 09.10.2010 um 10:51 schrieb Harold Fuchs:

 I saw a message that the technical support mail list
 us...@libreoffice.orghas been set up.

 I went to http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/ and scrolled down
to
 the section on us...@libreoffice.org

 I clicked the link: GMANE:
 http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user
and got
 no such group.

 What am I missing, please?


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Technical Support via Gmane?

Thanks!

Am 09.10.2010 um 13:19 schrieb Harold Fuchs:

 Thanks. I kick started the Gmane group with an OT message to the list.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Technical Support via Gmane?


Hi Harold, all,

Harold Fuchs schrieb:

[...]
PS Are we top posting? There will be flak.


Generally we use inline reply (below the phrase our reply is related 
to) in combination with removing all the irrelevant parts of a mail.


Top posting should be avoided, but in my eyes it could be considered, if 
the posting relates to the entire context of the previous thread or is 
covered in the subject already.


But in any case all irrelevant stuff should be removed (normally leading 
to just keeping just a few lines or none at all).


So main rule: Avoid full quote - remove all irrelevant stuff for your reply.

Second: Write below the phrase you are referring to (if there is one).

Third: No thread-hijacking. Start a new thread on every topic.

Fourth: No attachments (most will not come through to the list).

For Florian (and others working nearly as hard as him) I want to have an 
exception:


If he takes the time to reply instead of working on our infrastructure 
and all the other stuff necessary for us to start working in our 
preferred area of the community, he may post wherever he want - top, 
bottom, in between, even below a signature (and therefore not easy to 
detect).


Thank you Florian for your great work and dedication!
(And avoid breaking down one day...)

Best regards

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Technical Support via Gmane?

On 2010-10-09 8:08 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
 Generally we use inline reply (below the phrase our reply is related
 to) in combination with removing all the irrelevant parts of a mail.
 
 Top posting should be avoided, but in my eyes it could be considered, if
 the posting relates to the entire context of the previous thread or is
 covered in the subject already.
 
 But in any case all irrelevant stuff should be removed (normally leading
 to just keeping just a few lines or none at all).
 
 So main rule: Avoid full quote - remove all irrelevant stuff for your
 reply.
 
 Second: Write below the phrase you are referring to (if there is one).
 
 Third: No thread-hijacking. Start a new thread on every topic.
 
 Fourth: No attachments (most will not come through to the list).

My only suggestion here is to please include these posting rules both in
the welcome message one receives when signing up, and on the List Info
page...

 For Florian (and others working nearly as hard as him) I want to have an
 exception:
 
 If he takes the time to reply instead of working on our infrastructure
 and all the other stuff necessary for us to start working in our
 preferred area of the community, he may post wherever he want - top,
 bottom, in between, even below a signature (and therefore not easy to
 detect).

Well, maybe not below a sig delimiter... but Florian et al wouldn't do
that anyway... regardless, certainly no one should ever take it upon
themselves to chastise then for it if they do... ;)

 Thank you Florian for your great work and dedication!
 (And avoid breaking down one day...)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Website suggestion...

On 2010-10-08 9:08 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Am 08.10.2010 um 22:49 schrieb Charles Marcus:
 
 But I currently get a 404 error... this should be a page containing
 information for all of the lists ie, dupe the stuff about the lists on
 this page:
 
 thanks - have fixed that!

Hi Florian...

Thanks, but... I meant that everything on the Contact page for the Lists
section should be there -

List descriptions, subscribe/unsub instructions/links, links to
archives, etc...

So, basically just a copy/paste from the Contact page of all of the List
info stuff...

When you have time of course...

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Website suggestion...

On 2010-10-09 8:30 AM, Charles Marcus wrote:
 On 2010-10-08 9:08 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
 Am 08.10.2010 um 22:49 schrieb Charles Marcus:
 But I currently get a 404 error... this should be a page containing
 information for all of the lists ie, dupe the stuff about the lists on
 this page:

 thanks - have fixed that!

 Thanks, but... I meant that everything on the Contact page for the Lists
 section should be there -

Actually, the more I think about it... all of the list info on the
Contact page should be MOVED to its own page (/lists).

List info really doesn't belong on a 'Contact' page for the foundation,
it belongs on a 'Community' or 'Support' section (although TDF doesn't
seem to have one at the moment)... so I'd recommend cut/pasting it into
its own page, and just putting a short note about the fact that there
are support/discussion lists, and link to the Lists page from there...

At least, that's what makes sense to me...

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Website suggestion...


Hi Charles,

Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-09 14.30:

Thanks, but... I meant that everything on the Contact page for the Lists
section should be there -

List descriptions, subscribe/unsub instructions/links, links to
archives, etc...

So, basically just a copy/paste from the Contact page of all of the List
info stuff...

When you have time of course...


this is indeed on my todo list :-)

Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Technical Support via Gmane?

On 2010-10-09 8:51 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
 thanks for the nice words, much appreciated! Yes, indeed, I did some
 top posting because of less time, but I've just switched the account
 from Apple Mail to Thunderbird, which gives some more improvements
 and hopefully also helps me in quoting better ;)

Fyi, in case you didn't know (I'm surprised at how many don't) -

One of the many nice features of the new version is quoting only the
selected text - so, just highlight the relevant part of the text before
clicking Reply-To-List (another nice new feature), and only what you had
selected is quoted...

After much fussing finding the right extensions and GUI customizations,
I'm now extremely happy with Thunderbird 3.1. It isn't perfect, but it
is close to it...

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[tdf-discuss] Principles trumps ownership

2010-10-09 Thread Drew Jensen

Governance principles are more important than ownership 
In working through situations of disagreement, it is better to
focus on applying governance principles rather than determining
who has ultimate authority, as over-reliance on the latter can
short-circuit opportunities to rely on and expand the use of
healthy, open processes.


Just some thoughts,

Drew


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Re: LibO Install/Update ( was [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates)

2010-10-09 Thread todd rme

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 KDE does not offer binaries as a rule.  There are Mandriva binaries on
 the KDE ftp server, but that is the only distribution that has
 binaries on the KDE server.  Further, I do not think that those are
 actually produced by KDE itself, KDE was simply nice enough to host
 them.  In fact several people, myself included, have suggested to KDE
 developers that they release official binaries and they refused,
 saying that it was the responsibility of the distributions to produce
 the binaries.

 -Todd

 You are probably right there too. It wouldn't hurt though to try it and s
ee
 what kind of response the LibO community got from such a service. Maybe f
rom
 a dependencies point of view it would be too hard to manage still. IMHO,
it
 would be nice if the LibO packages came out prepped for immediate
 installation/update for distros.

 It sounds like you thought that it was a good idea for KDE updates too.

 Marc

I am not saying it is a bad idea, although it may be more work than it
is worth.  What I am saying is that we shouldn't just go and do it on
our own, we need to talk to individual distributions to find out how
to make this as useful as possible for them and how to eliminate or at
least minimize any conflicts it may cause.  I don't think decision
should be made unilaterally by us, I think it needs to be made with a
lot of discussion with the distributions.  It isn't a bad thing
necessarily, but it has the potential to cause conflicts, which is the
last thing a budding fork wants to do.

-Todd

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Website suggestion...

2010-10-09 Thread Drew Jensen

On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 14:49 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
 Hi Charles,
 
 Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-09 14.30:
  Thanks, but... I meant that everything on the Contact page for the Lists
  section should be there -
 
  List descriptions, subscribe/unsub instructions/links, links to
  archives, etc...
 
  So, basically just a copy/paste from the Contact page of all of the List
  info stuff...
 
  When you have time of course...
 
 this is indeed on my todo list :-)
 
 Florian


Howdy,

Just tossing this out as an idea..

Put together a 2 minute mock-up

http://educoo.us/index-nabble.html

Drew


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Website suggestion...

On 2010-10-09 10:48 AM, Drew Jensen wrote:
 Just tossing this out as an idea..
 
 Put together a 2 minute mock-up
 
 http://educoo.us/index-nabble.html

It really isn't necessary imho... like I said, a cut+paste from the
Contact page of the entire List section (replace with a short note about
the Lists being available with a link to the new Lists page) is all that
is needed:

http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/

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Re: [tdf-discuss] List available at GMANE


Hi Larry,

Larry Gusaas wrote on 2010-10-09 18.36:


Gmane is a newsgroup. They require verification of the the sender before
they post the message. This serves the same purpose as subscribing to
this list. Any senders of spam can be removed.

It is redundant to require the user to subscribe to the mailing list in
order to post through Gmane. The page at
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss clearly
states Status: posting allowed.

If subscription to the mailing list is required, it should be stated on
the Gmane page, although there is no real need to dual subscribe and
defeats the whole purpose of Gmane.


on our side, only senders who are subscribed to the list can post to it. 
I won't change this, as otherwise every spammer can just flood the list 
with emails.


Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] List available at GMANE

On 2010-10-09 12:36 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
 It is redundant to require the user to subscribe to the mailing list in
 order to post through Gmane. The page at
 http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss clearly
 states Status: posting allowed.

 If subscription to the mailing list is required, it should be stated on
 the Gmane page,

Agreed... something like:

Posting allowed by subscribers only (click here to subscribe to the
nomail version of the list)

Does gmane allow this text to be cusomized like that?

 although there is no real need to dual subscribe and defeats the
 whole purpose of Gmane.

No it doesn't... you can subscribe to the nomail version, then use gmane
to read and post.

I for one am glad that posting is only allowed by subscribers. Imho
there was far too much noise on the old OOo lists due to postings being
allowed by non-subscribers.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] List available at GMANE


Hi Larry,

Larry Gusaas schrieb:


On 2010/10/09 4:36 AM Florian Effenberger wrote:

[...]
of course we do require subscription for people who want to subscribe to
mailing lists. Otherwise, we'd be the victim of spam very soon.


Gmane is a newsgroup. They require verification of the the sender before
they post the message. This serves the same purpose as subscribing to
this list. Any senders of spam can be removed.

 [...]


If subscription to the mailing list is required, it should be stated on
the Gmane page, although there is no real need to dual subscribe and
defeats the whole purpose of Gmane.


For the OpenOffice.org mailing lists sending without extra subscription 
via Gmane became enabled just four or five years ago.


I don't know about the background - perhaps someone here remembers...

But please let us establish our own infrastructure first.

In my opinion Gmane posting is an additional nice-to-have feature, that 
can be improved, when time allows it.

... especially if there is a workaround (subscribe-nomail) ...

If someone is able to edit the status (to Status: posting allowed after 
subscription discuss+subscribe-nom...@documentfoundation.org) this 
would be great.


Best regards

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Re: [tdf-discuss] List available at GMANE

On 2010/10/09 10:46 AM Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hi Larry,

Larry Gusaas wrote on 2010-10-09 18.36:

Gmane is a newsgroup. They require verification of the the sender before
they post the message. This serves the same purpose as subscribing to
this list. Any senders of spam can be removed.

It is redundant to require the user to subscribe to the mailing list in
order to post through Gmane. The page at
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss clearly
states Status: posting allowed.

If subscription to the mailing list is required, it should be stated on
the Gmane page, although there is no real need to dual subscribe and
defeats the whole purpose of Gmane.

on our side, only senders who are subscribed to the list can post to it. I won't change this,
as otherwise every spammer can just flood the list with emails.

Florian

Allowing posting from Gmane without subscription to this list will not allow spammers to flood
the list. Gmane requires confirmation from sender for each list the sender posts to. Also any
spammer can be reported and dealt with.

Perhaps you should look at Gmane spam policy
http://gmane.org/spam-control.php.
I have not noticed any spam on the lists I follow that has been inserted through Gmane. There
is no more likelihood of spam being sent through Gmane than through subscribing to this mailing
list.

I follow many mailing lists through Gmane, including several OOo lists. The first time I post
to any list I receive an email stating:

You have sent a message to be posted on the
gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss newsgroup.

Before the message is posted on the newsgroup, you have
to confirm that you exist. Just reply to this message, and
the message will be posted.

After replying I receive a message:

You are now authorized to post to the
gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss newsgroup.

The original message you sent to the newsgroup will be
posted within ten minutes.

Except this does not occur on this list unless I subscribe to the email list.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] List available at GMANE



On 2010/10/09 10:47 AM  Charles Marcus wrote:

I for one am glad that posting is only allowed by subscribers. Imho
there was far too much noise on the old OOo lists due to postings being
allowed by non-subscribers.


Agreed about the noise. However that has nothing to do with Gmane. The non-subscribe posters 
were not posting through Gmane. You have to be subscribed at Gmane for each list you post for. 
This serves the same purpose as subscribing directly to the email list.



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On 2010/10/09 10:49 AM  Bernhard Dippold wrote:
In my opinion Gmane posting is an additional nice-to-have feature, that can be improved, when 
time allows it.
... especially if there is a workaround (subscribe-nomail) ... 


That is not a workaround. The purpose of Gmane is to treat a email list as a newsgroup so you 
do not always receive a ton of emails that you have to delete after reading or ignoring. A 
newsgroup allows you to read only the topics that interest you rather than downloading every 
message.


Why would I want to receive emails from this list when I can read and reply through Gmane's 
News Server (NNTP) ?



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Re: [tdf-discuss] QA Infrastructure

2010-10-09 Thread Sophie Gautier

Hi Thorsten,

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Thorsten Behrens
t...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hi,

 as we start to ramp up more infrastructure, I'd like to make
 you think about what's crucially needed to do QA for LibreOffice
 3.3.

 First of all, this is what we currently have:

  * a LibreOffice technical list (I'd like to have devs  QA
   discussion there):
   http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice

  * a bugtracker - bugs.freedesktop.org for the while
   (use
    https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_formatspecifi
corder
 relevance+descbug_status__open__productLibreOfficecontent   �
�to list all currently-filed LibreOffice bugs)

  * a wiki (well, soon ;))

  * the testtool (similar to OpenOffice.org)

 I'd prefer if we do the 3.3 release in a somewhat lightweight
 fashion, and add tools as we go (and decide that we need them) - I
 know that the OpenOffice.org QA project has things like QATrack,
 QUASTe, and TCM - but I wonder which of those pass the test of we
 really need it, and it's worth the effort to duplicate it/set it
 up.

 What do you think?

Sorry to jump so late in the discussion, I've been out of connexion
most of the week.
I agree with your proposal to join developers and QA people, it's
really important to have them working together.
Concerning the VCLTestTool, the most interesting part is if you can
compare between builds and languages like it is done on QUASTe. I
should ask also if some teams use the screenshot ability for
localization.
Concerning the TCM, I've worked on specifications for a new tool that
is being develop and will be integrated to QUASTe. The current
infrastructure for TCM is far too complicated and mix administrative
tasks and user tasks. Also, we need something that deal with plain
text and not html. I volunteer to work on this if you need me and also
to produce the test cases relative to the new features.
Also, we should not miss the power of the NLC on this testing tasks,
if we organize a simple and powerful workflow with a localization
process, I'm sure we will find a huge resource with the NLC projects.

HTH
Kind regards
Sophie



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsubscribe NOT working!!!

2010-10-09 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier

Hi Volker, *,

Volker Heggemann schrieb:

Hi Florian,

same problem at my side. I couldn't get out of the digest list?!
I don't know why?

what was the link used for unsubscribing digest uses a link different
from the one in the footer of each mail.

Send a mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org to get more info.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] List available at GMANE


Hi Larry,

Larry Gusaas schrieb:


On 2010/10/09 10:46 AM Florian Effenberger wrote:

[...]

on our side, only senders who are subscribed to the list can post to
it. I won't change this, as otherwise every spammer can just flood the
list with emails.

Florian


Allowing posting from Gmane without subscription to this list will not
allow spammers to flood the list. Gmane requires confirmation from
sender for each list the sender posts to. Also any spammer can be
reported and dealt with.

Perhaps you should look at Gmane spam policy
http://gmane.org/spam-control.php.


Please not now - Florian's to-do-list is higher than any mountain I know of.

If we are able to work with normal workload, allowing postings from 
Gmane would be a topic.


As it was possible at OpenOffice.org, I'm quite sure it would be 
possible for our lists too.


But please let's pend this topic for some more weeks - it is *not* the 
most important thing Florian has to do now.


When our wiki is set up, we should create a list with topics like this, 
so it is not forgotten, but can be handled later on.


Best regards

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsubscribe NOT working!!!


Friedrich Strohmaier schrieb:

Hi Volker, *,

Volker Heggemann schrieb:


Hi Florian,



same problem at my side. I couldn't get out of the digest list?!
I don't know why?


what was the link used for unsubscribing digest uses a link different
from the one in the footer of each mail.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] List available at GMANE

On 2010-10-09 1:18 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
 Why would I want to receive emails from this list when I can read and
 reply through Gmane's News Server (NNTP) ?

???

What do you think NOMAIL means? If you subscribe to the nomail version,
you don't receive any emails.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] QA Infrastructure

2010-10-09 Thread Per Eriksson


 Hi Sophie,

Sophie Gautier skrev 2010-10-09 19:26:

I volunteer to work on this if you need me and also
to produce the test cases relative to the new features.
Also, we should not miss the power of the NLC on this testing tasks,
if we organize a simple and powerful workflow with a localization
process, I'm sure we will find a huge resource with the NLC projects.


I am available to help if you need any on this side? What are the ideas 
so far and how can the tooling become more effective?

:-)

Kind regards

Per

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On 2010/10/09 11:46 AM  Bernhard Dippold wrote:

If we are able to work with normal workload, allowing postings from Gmane would 
be a topic.

As it was possible at OpenOffice.org, I'm quite sure it would be possible for 
our lists too.

But please let's pend this topic for some more weeks - it is *not* the most important thing 
Florian has to do now.


Then why did you set up Gmane in the first place? Why not do it properly in the 
first place?

Nowhere on http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss or on 
http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ does it indicate that you have to subscribe to 
the mailing list in order to post through Gmane.


In fact Gmane explicitly states that you can post, both on the web page, Status   posting 
allowed and in the email Gmane sends after you subscribe through this list through gmane You 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] List available at GMANE


Hi,

Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2010-10-09 19.38:


If you had read the other mails in this thread, you should have noticed
that the nomail option of the list allows to subscribe without being
sent any mail.

So why can't you accept this as workaround?


thanks Bernhard! Indeed, my workload is quite high at the moment. I just 
dropped the GMANE folks a note, asking how the posting w/o subscription 
works on their side.


Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsubscribe NOT working!!!


Hi,

Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2010-10-09 19.50:


or just tell the people interested in this topic, that you have to add
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You are indeed right, the link doesn't work for all subscription types. 
I've just replaced it with the help link, should be effective already 
on this mail.


Sorry for the confusion.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] List available at GMANE

2010-10-09 Thread NoOp

On 10/09/2010 03:36 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Am 09.10.2010 um 05:20 schrieb NoOp:
 
 Like the OOo lists (and other gmane.org lists), posts via gmane.org
 shouldn't also require a direct email subscription as gmane.org does 
 the
 email verification directly before allowing a user to post to a list. 
 So
 perhaps some added tuning with gmane.org is necessary?
 
 of course we do require subscription for people who want to subscribe to 
 mailing lists. Otherwise, we'd be the victim of spam very soon.
 
 However, there is a nomail subscription you can use by using 
 listname+subscribe-nomail (e.g. 
 discuss+subscribe-nom...@documentfoundation.org). Then you can post, but 
 receive no messages.
 
 Florian
 

Thanks. Can a small note be added to the 'Mailing Lists' section of:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/
advising of the nomail option?

Regarding gmane.org  spam: last check shows that I am subscribed to 68
mailing lists via gmane.org. On occasion a spam may slip through, but
rarely. If a spam does get through it's easy enough to report to gmane.org.
  For example, your message:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/335
could be reported as spam via the 'Report this as spam' link at the
bottom right of the page. Once the msg is reported as spam, the msg is
vetted via:
http://gmane.org/faq.php
quote
What happens when I click the This is spam button?
Your report is queued, and a gmane.org admin will later inspect your
report to see whether the message in question really does look like
spam. If the admin agrees that this is, indeed, spam, the article is
immediately removed from the web interface. At a later date, the article
is also cross-posted to the spam group, so that people using the news
interface will also be able to avoid seeing the spam.
/quote
This prevents folks from abusing the system by reporting someone's post
as spam simply because they don't like the msg, or the poster.

Additional checkpoints are also put in place by default:
http://gmane.org/spam.php
And optional email address obfuscation  encryption is available to
prevent spam harvesters:
http://gmane.org/tmda.php

One added note: spammers can easily subscribe to any list and slip in a
spam. However in the case of email lists only, it is up to the
administrator to detect  remove the address etc. gmane.org takes a lot
of this burden off the list admin by using the tools above.

Anyway, thanks for the nomail info/option. I've unsubscribed from the
regular list  have resubscribed using the nomail address. If this post
appears (via gmane.org) we'll know it works :-)




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Re: LibO Install/Update ( was [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates)

2010-10-09 Thread jonathon

On 10/09/2010 06:23 PM, Scott Furry wrote:

 And as suggested by the Go-OO site, the rationale for distribution was
 to avoid some of the politics and interpretations of open source that
 can occur. Packaging to me just makes sense.

+1

The current version of Thunderbird that is available in the Ubuntu
repostory is 2.0.0.24. Thunderbird 3.1.1 is in the PPA.
The current version available from MozillaMessaging is 3.1.4

If packaging is left exclusively to the distros, what are users of those
distros to do, when the current version is not packaged by the distro?

Do you really want to people; Sorry, we can't help you, because the
version you are using is no longer supported?, even if they are using
the most current version available from the distro repository?

I'm using Thunderbird as an example of what happens when distros don't
keep up with current versions. There are packages that have dropped out
of both the official repository, and the PPA.

OOo in the official Ubuntu repository is version 3.1. In the PPA 3.2 is
available.

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Re: LibO Install/Update ( was [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates)

2010-10-09 Thread Scott Furry


 On 09/10/10 02:11 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
snip
I agree, direction from the whole community on this, now that we have 
hashed it out a bit, would give clearer direction of expectations.

snip
This could then be put to the community as a new thread and the 
results could be monitored/taken into note for the future planning of 
the LibO method of updates from the dev team.


Marc

Mark,
I like you rewrite. I can work with that, mind if I 'borrow it?' ;-)

I'll post a new thread shortly.

Regards,
Scott Furry

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Re: LibO Install/Update ( was [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates)

2010-10-09 Thread RGB ES

2010/10/9 Scott Furry scott.wl.fu...@gmail.com:
 And IMO that is the point. Distributions will only incorporate into the
 releases what /they feel/ is appropriate.
And is that wrong? If you want the last on your computer as soon as
possible, then you need to change to a rolling release distro...
There is a reason because there are so many distros out there: they
are different. If you need to upgrade the very second there is a new
version of software X then you need a bleeding edge distro, but don't
protest when your system dies after an ordinary update. If you want to
be safe then use a conservative distro that do not change package
versions on its life cycle, but don't protest if it is outdated. It is
your choice.
That's why I like openSUSE so much: in its core, it is a solid distro
but if you feel adventurous you only need to enable the proper repo
and you'll be updated on _that_ component, without risking the whole
system.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] List available at GMANE

2010-10-09 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier

Hi Larry, *,

Larry Gusaas schrieb:

Then why did you set up Gmane in the first place? Why not do it
 properly in the first place?

for the others which want to read by nntp and don't worry to be
subscribed. -- Just ignore it! :o))

Nowhere on http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss
 or on http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ does it
 indicate that you have to subscribe to the mailing list in order to
 post through Gmane.

Yes, this might be a good idea. Meanwhile just subscribe in nomail mode

discuss+subscribe-nom...@documentfoundation.org so 

- You are subscribed
- don't get mails

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey|Opinion - LibreOffice Install and Update

2010-10-09 Thread RGB ES

2010/10/9 Scott Furry scott.wl.fu...@gmail.com:
 ---

 This survey is to gauge the views of the LibreOffice community on the
 install/update method of LibreOffice. Please voice your opinion so that
 these considerations may be taken into account when the LibreOffice method
 of install/update is studied by the developer team. Please *bottom-post*
 your opinions.
I use mainly Linux: openSUSE 11.2 64 bits at the moment.


 How do you expect LibreOffice to be updated?
I think the method used by OOo (tar.gz files with rpms or debs) is Ok.


 How do you Install/Update LibreOffice?
Being a beta, I uncompressed the rpms (see below)


 What do you expect when Installing/Updating LibreOffice?
No dependencies conflicts ;)


 Other programs have separate updating programs (iTunes being an example), if
 it was technically feasible, would having a separate install program for
 LibreOffice (with updating features) be useful to you?
No. I think it could be useful on windows systems, but on Linux... no.


 Would having a download and update site, as well as a Unix|Linux package
 repository site, be of value to you?
I don't think a single rpm repository will work for every rpm distro
so... download site, yes, repository, no: that's distro work.

-
How to install LibO:

1- Unpack the tar.gz file with the rpms

2- Create a folder inside the RPMS folder

3- Open a terminal on that folder

4- Run this command:
for i in ../l*.rpm; do rpm2cpio $i | cpio -id; done
A folder called /opt is created with the complete install on it.

5- on /your_custom_install_path/opt/libreoffice3/program you can find
the scripts to launch the program.

6- it is possible to edit the file bootstraprc to change the user
profile folder destination (UserInstallation variable: $ORIGIN will
use the install folder).

7- test

8- report bugs

Something similar can be done with debs, but I'm from a rpm world ;)

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