[tdf-discuss] New Icon theme set
> i honestly think migrating away from original OOo icons etc would be a good > idea. it will help to set the project apart from OOo and give it its own > unique identiy. > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Nathan wrote: > > Im not fond of the icon theme set in OOo, and i think LibreOffice would > > stand to benefit by changing to a new set, something more up to date and > > polished. I personally like the tango desktop project > > > > http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library > > > > the icons are in the public domain and are made for open source > > applications. It appears that the project even develops new custom theme > > sets for open source projects. > > > > -- > > Thanks for your time, > > Nathan Heafner > > I agree the tango set is great however it is already shipped with OOo and LibreO as an option. (Tools>options>LibreOffice> View>Icon size and style) However I admit that I would like to see tango as the default. Cheers GL > > -- > Jonathan Aquilina -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] New Icon theme set
On Tuesday 16 Nov 2010 18:17:15 Nathan wrote: > Im not fond of the icon theme set in OOo, and i think LibreOffice would > stand to benefit by changing to a new set, something more up to date and > polished. I personally like the tango desktop project > > http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library > > the icons are in the public domain and are made for open source > applications. It appears that the project even develops new custom theme > sets for open source projects. please don't hijack threads, send a new message to start a new thread, starting a new topic in another thread is very bad form. I'm restarting this as a new thread cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] New Icon theme set
i honestly think migrating away from original OOo icons etc would be a good idea. it will help to set the project apart from OOo and give it its own unique identiy. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Nathan wrote: > Im not fond of the icon theme set in OOo, and i think LibreOffice would > stand to benefit by changing to a new set, something more up to date and > polished. I personally like the tango desktop project > > http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library > > the icons are in the public domain and are made for open source > applications. It appears that the project even develops new custom theme > sets for open source projects. > > -- > Thanks for your time, > Nathan Heafner > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: Email to > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** > > -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] New Icon theme set
Im not fond of the icon theme set in OOo, and i think LibreOffice would stand to benefit by changing to a new set, something more up to date and polished. I personally like the tango desktop project http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library the icons are in the public domain and are made for open source applications. It appears that the project even develops new custom theme sets for open source projects. -- Thanks for your time, Nathan Heafner -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: On the Future of TDF
Le 2010-11-15 17:07, timofonic timofonic a écrit : I propose another idea: What about convert the file support of LibO into a portable, resource efficient, well designed and multiplatform library for all FOSS projects? I would imagine it like the WebKit of document file formats, but governed in a less corporate way. This library would have it´s own site into backed or being a TDF subdomain (or both), and improved between all friend projects. Of course this idea would need lot's of PR, negotiate with different projects and probably even deep changes in the original source code. This could make not only more interoperability, but FOSS projects having a lot stronger file type support. It could be used easily for non-interactive document converters too. A strong official alliance about this and other interoperability stuff could be very good for the FOSS productivity suite. Hi Timofonic. But we already have this with the ODF and the Oasis Consortium of which some of our members sit on their committees. We should instead propose refinements to the ODF rather than add another layer of complexity. Creating another consortium takes a lot of time and negotiation between different groups, not to mention financial backing and legal representation. We already have many cooperating groups using the ODF and it sounds like the ODF has made great strides in being accepted in Europe, unlike N.America where it is still quite unknown. The LO marketing team hopes to make a difference in promoting the ODF formats as well as LO in the Americas as well as everywhere it is unknown. It is all in our interest to do so. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: AUTO: AUTO: Away from office (returning 11/19/2010)
Le 2010-11-15 15:52, Scott Denham a écrit : I am out of the office until 11/19/2010. I am at the SC10 conference, with intermittent access to email. Note: This is an automated response to your message "Digest of discuss@documentfoundation.org issue 89 (2877-2906)" sent on 11/15/10 12:00:07. This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away. Oh no! 3 more days before Scott is back in the office to turn his notifier off. ;-( Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice bits ...
Thank you for your second quick response, Italo -- especially considering our time differential. I've added your comments to the article, which should be appearing on the Datamation site some time tomorrow. Needless to say, all comments and corrections are welcome. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7177 (on Pacific Time) Burnaby, BC, Canada web: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield blog: http://brucebyfield.wordpress.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla
Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > I don't know if and how easy this would be in drupal. So far I have > coded a very simple webform in "django" (python is my thing :-)) to > allow uploading a document and a comment. This would be elementary in Drupal. > The only thing that is then left, is to link the uploaded doc to a > bugzilla issue and display the status from the bug in question. The > linking to a bug would (in my vision), not necessarily happen by the > user, but by QA team, that vets those entries. And this triaging phase is indeed the main challenge, both in technical and in resources (volunteers) terms. Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice bits ...
Bruce Byfield wrote: - "layout fidelity" and "slideshow fidelity": Does this mean making the screen display closer to output? Or something else? Many people use Writer and Impress with sophisticated layouts, which sometimes create problems when printing or displaying, especially when there are multiple fonts with different metrics (something that should be avoided, but happens on a daily basis). In addition, documents are moved between platforms (Windows to Mac to Linux, and viceversa) and this increase fidelity problems. Many people do not understand the problems, and keep on creating them. Unfortunately, developers are the ones in charge of solving these problems adding features (which are welcome, of course). - improved format conversion: Would this refer specifically to MSO compatibility, especially for OOXML? or something else. Definitely. Users are discovering interoperability, and the future should be one where we all use our preferred format (although at TDF we all prefer the same one, ODF, which is highly suggested), independently from the person we are sending the document to, because he/she will be able to use it without losing contents. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice bits ...
(see below) On 11/15/2010 03:25 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: Bruce Byfield wrote: Italo, you are quoted as saying, "After 20 years of feature oriented software, it is now the right time to bring back content at the centre of user focus." Can you explain exactly what that means? Copying to the marketing@ and discuss@ mailing lists. Actually, I wrote the entire press release, included my quote. I am not a developer (degree in humanities, life started as a geographer then 30 years in hi-tech marketing, where I have ended just by chance at age 27 discovering a deep curiosity for innovations), although I have managed a printer R&D lab for two years, between age 30 and 32, to develop an award winning dot matrix printer. My personal opinion is that so far software has been focused more on features than on contents, and a good user is considered who is able to use features and not who is able to develop good contents. I have been one of these users and too many times I have been focusing on more on features that on contents. The future should be different. Sometimes, having many features is just useless, if you do not need all the features. Of course, this does not mean that software should have less features. The evolution of platforms - desktop, notebooks, laptops, netbooks, tablets, smartphones - will translate into a different relation between user and contents (editing and reading on a large screen is not like reading on a small screen, and definitely not like editing). In addition, being mobile adds another layer of complexity, because the relathionship with contents is different when you are on the road: your attention is lower and your time pressure is higher. Of course, I am speculating about the future. As a user I hate, though, reading that each new release adds x features when the previous one is still plagued by bugs and security issues. I hope this explains, although partially, my quote. Best, Italo Thank you very much for the explanation! There were a few other phrases in the English and German releases that I would appreciate more explanation about: - Better first draft functions: Such as? Maybe an outliner - "layout fidelity" and "slideshow fidelity": Does this mean making the screen display closer to output? Or something else? - improved format conversion: Would this refer specifically to MSO compatibility, especially for OOXML? or something else. If Italo or anyone has time to provide some before 10AM Pacific time on November 16th, they could greatly enhance the article I am writing. My thanks in advance, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7177 (on Pacific Time) Burnaby, BC, Canada web: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield blog: http://brucebyfield.wordpress.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] document foundation wiki issues ...
Hi Jonathan, *, Jonathan Aquilina schrieb: > Random thought here. im willing to donate some webspace to a wordpress > setup for the project. i have experience in making the site look less > like a blog and more like a proper website and there are some really > killer themes available for wordpress. The wiki is intended to be a pool of information to be completed by everybody rather than the projects website. > would you guys be interested in migrating away from a wiki. No, never ;o)) > the way i > see it the problem with a wiki is that anyone from the site and > possibly even spammers can edit the page be it contributors or not. > at least with wordpress you just have a list of users who have > permissions to edit the site, as well as those who can just post and > comment etc. >what do you all think? The Website is already work in progress, coming up soon and realized through a CMS which covers all your points and more ;o)). [.. recycled TOFU ..] Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] On the Future of TDF
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:38 PM, AG wrote: > On 14/11/10 11:25, Mirek M. wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> I've been meaning to write this e-mail for a while now, but haven't gotten >> around to it until now -- I hope it's still relevant. >> >> The Next Decade Manifesto and the recent press release (available at >> http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/announce/msg00016.html for those >> who >> haven't read it yet) open up a lot of question and comments: >> >> "TDF founders foresee a completely different future for the office suite >> paradigm, which - in the actual format - is over 20 years old, to be based >> on the document (where the software is a layer for the creation or the >> presentation of the contents)." >> >> What exactly does that mean for the internal structure of LibreOffice? >> Does >> this mean that LibO will be more object-oriented? >> >> "In addition, each single module of LibreOffice will be undergoing an >> extensive rewrite, with Calc being the first one to be redeveloped around >> a >> brand new engine - code named Ixion - that will increase performance, >> allow >> true versatility and add long awaited database and VBA macro handling >> features." >> >> Great. >> > > Yep - that +does+ sound interesting. Any time-lines given for this or the > other improvements? > >> "Writer is going to be improved in the area of layout fidelity and Impress >> in the area of slideshow fidelity. Most of the new features are either >> meant >> to maintain compatibility with the market leading office suite or will >> introduce radical innovations." >> >> Can't wait to see it. I'm very curious as to what the "radical >> innovations" >> will bring. >> > > Ditto. > >> "The Document Foundation is going to be at the heart of the Free Software >> universe, where users want to build a different future for office suites, >> working together with developers." >> >> It'd be great if TDF focused on integration and interoperability with >> other >> open-source projects. >> > > +1 I agree too, this is extremely important. Let's focus on similar goals of all these projects instead the differences and collaborate strongly on that. The real enemy is the propietary software and non-standards, no other free software. I propose another idea: What about convert the file support of LibO into a portable, resource efficient, well designed and multiplatform library for all FOSS projects? I would imagine it like the WebKit of document file formats, but governed in a less corporate way. This library would have it´s own site into backed or being a TDF subdomain (or both), and improved between all friend projects. Of course this idea would need lot's of PR, negotiate with different projects and probably even deep changes in the original source code. This could make not only more interoperability, but FOSS projects having a lot stronger file type support. It could be used easily for non-interactive document converters too. A strong official alliance about this and other interoperability stuff could be very good for the FOSS productivity suite. >> I'd really like to see Linux become the primary platform to focus on (yes, >> Linux has a much smaller user base than Windows, but that will never >> change >> if software companies keep favoring Windows). For Linux, OpenOffice.org >> (going forward LibreOffice) is vital. >> > > +1 > >> It would also be great if LibO, KOffice, AbiWord, Gnumeric, Ease, and all >> the other open-source editors worked together to set standards. It'd be >> great, for example, if you could choose a standard open-source font triad >> that >> was bundled with all (relevant) open-source software (and closed-source >> software too) to counter MS's Times-Arial-Courier triad (and the rising >> Calibri-Cambria-Candara triad). Or if you could agree on the same keyboard >> shortcuts. >> > > Personally, I couldn't care one way or another - I just want crisp and clear > fonts and a suitable range. > >> >> > >> "Users read, write, modify and share documents, and are focused on >> contents >> rather than software features. After 20 years of feature oriented >> software, >> it is now the right time to bring back content at the centre of user >> focus". >> >> Does this mean that the ribbonesque UI that came out of OOo Renaissance >> will >> be abandoned in favor of a more efficient and less distracting UI? >> >> > > +1 > > This is a great aspiration: the art of software design would be similar to > the contribution the drummer makes to a song: reliable, robust, and not too > much in the way of the rest of the music.[1] In the same way, in order to > help the user focus on the content, the workspace needs to be paramount with > the tools and options accessible and intuitive so that the user can get on > with the work and not worry about how things work and how to accomplish > common tasks. > > And what I would really appreciate is a help guide that suggests *why* > someone might want to use a particular tool (especially
[tdf-discuss] AUTO: AUTO: Away from office (returning 11/19/2010)
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Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla
On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:43:49 +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > > I envision a *simple* web app which allows me to > > > > a) upload an .odt, .doc, or .docx document and > > b) chose whether it causes 1) crashes or 2) document conversion problems > > c) allow to add a comment (it crashes for this document, but only when > > using font X) > > d) optionally add an email address that allows people to stay in the > > loop on updates. > > > we've chatted about this on irc - and I very much love the idea. I > wonder if we should split out this particular topic & move it over > to the website list? > > http://docs.officeshots.org/ may be a potential starting point - > especially when it comes to document conversion / rendering > fidelity. I don't know if and how easy this would be in drupal. So far I have coded a very simple webform in "django" (python is my thing :-)) to allow uploading a document and a comment. Next, I want to integrate automatic conversion of the doc to .pdf by LibO in which, when finished, the user can mark the pages that exhibit conversion problems. Adding screenshots from MS Office would be cool, but I don't know how to do that (although the officeshot site manages it, so it must be possible). The only thing that is then left, is to link the uploaded doc to a bugzilla issue and display the status from the bug in question. The linking to a bug would (in my vision), not necessarily happen by the user, but by QA team, that vets those entries. > > Others would take this and try to replicate the crash or formatting > > problem, and check if there is a bug for it and create one if needed > > (linking to it). This allows for dead-simple reporting of problems, and > > we'd have test documents that we can use for testing. > > > Yeah. And for devs & QA people, it would be _very_ handy to have > page thumbnails generated from various versions available, to vet > conversion problems and regressions. Yes, exactly. > > Of course, confidential docs won't work, so people would have to > > e.g. replace all text with lorem ipsums before submitting. > > > Or provide an email address to send those docs to - more often than > not, a document cleansed thusly will not exhibit the bug anymore. ;) Well, one *could* make that non-public optionally, but it would lose much of its usefulness, but could still be used as regression testcase by developers. I plan to work slowly towards this direction to get at least a proof of concept up, but given that my dajob is pretty demanding, this could take a while. If someone beats me to it, I'd not be sad. Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] On the Future of TDF
On 14/11/10 11:25, Mirek M. wrote: Hi everyone, I've been meaning to write this e-mail for a while now, but haven't gotten around to it until now -- I hope it's still relevant. The Next Decade Manifesto and the recent press release (available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/announce/msg00016.html for those who haven't read it yet) open up a lot of question and comments: "TDF founders foresee a completely different future for the office suite paradigm, which - in the actual format - is over 20 years old, to be based on the document (where the software is a layer for the creation or the presentation of the contents)." What exactly does that mean for the internal structure of LibreOffice? Does this mean that LibO will be more object-oriented? "In addition, each single module of LibreOffice will be undergoing an extensive rewrite, with Calc being the first one to be redeveloped around a brand new engine - code named Ixion - that will increase performance, allow true versatility and add long awaited database and VBA macro handling features." Great. Yep - that +does+ sound interesting. Any time-lines given for this or the other improvements? "Writer is going to be improved in the area of layout fidelity and Impress in the area of slideshow fidelity. Most of the new features are either meant to maintain compatibility with the market leading office suite or will introduce radical innovations." Can't wait to see it. I'm very curious as to what the "radical innovations" will bring. Ditto. "The Document Foundation is going to be at the heart of the Free Software universe, where users want to build a different future for office suites, working together with developers." It'd be great if TDF focused on integration and interoperability with other open-source projects. +1 I'd really like to see Linux become the primary platform to focus on (yes, Linux has a much smaller user base than Windows, but that will never change if software companies keep favoring Windows). For Linux, OpenOffice.org (going forward LibreOffice) is vital. +1 It would also be great if LibO, KOffice, AbiWord, Gnumeric, Ease, and all the other open-source editors worked together to set standards. It'd be great, for example, if you could choose a standard open-source font triad that was bundled with all (relevant) open-source software (and closed-source software too) to counter MS's Times-Arial-Courier triad (and the rising Calibri-Cambria-Candara triad). Or if you could agree on the same keyboard shortcuts. Personally, I couldn't care one way or another - I just want crisp and clear fonts and a suitable range. "Users read, write, modify and share documents, and are focused on contents rather than software features. After 20 years of feature oriented software, it is now the right time to bring back content at the centre of user focus". Does this mean that the ribbonesque UI that came out of OOo Renaissance will be abandoned in favor of a more efficient and less distracting UI? +1 This is a great aspiration: the art of software design would be similar to the contribution the drummer makes to a song: reliable, robust, and not too much in the way of the rest of the music.[1] In the same way, in order to help the user focus on the content, the workspace needs to be paramount with the tools and options accessible and intuitive so that the user can get on with the work and not worry about how things work and how to accomplish common tasks. And what I would really appreciate is a help guide that suggests *why* someone might want to use a particular tool (especially for the more esoteric options). This would certainly help expand my usage of the suite and tap into its power more effectively. Cheers AG [1] Gratuitous information dept: metaphor inspired by listening to the great grooves of Grand Funk Railroad's 1971 tour with drumming by Don Brewer. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Suggestion to expand user base: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice
Le 2010-11-15 11:21, Michael Meeks a écrit : - nevertheless the mroe templates we have, the more people we have interested in fixing our template browse / selection UI issues I hope ;-) HTH, Michael. Hi Michael The Drupal LO website has worked on a template section. Would you like to visit the site and see if your concerns are still valid? We are still able to change or modify at this point. Now is the time to test-try and commment/critique. You can go to: http://www.libreofficeaustralia.org/ , register for an account, you will get a password through email. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] document foundation wiki issues ...
Random thought here. im willing to donate some webspace to a wordpress setup for the project. i have experience in making the site look less like a blog and more like a proper website and there are some really killer themes available for wordpress. would you guys be interested in migrating away from a wiki. the way i see it the problem with a wiki is that anyone from the site and possibly even spammers can edit the page be it contributors or not. at least with wordpress you just have a list of users who have permissions to edit the site, as well as those who can just post and comment etc. what do you all think? On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > So, > >When I use the documentfoundation wiki, inevitably trying to edit: > >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks > >I often find myself logged in in Hungarian (or some other language) > instead of English - worse than that (for whatever reason - even though > the entries are labelled appropriately) - Firefox refuses to recognise > this as a login page, so I get to re-enter my credentials each time > (which is a real pain). > >Do others experience this ? no doubt I screwed something up and just > need to prod one setting or other; and/or is there an easy fix ? [ is > there some trivial HTML annotation we can use to make it obvious to the > browser that the authentication page is a suitable challenge / > response ? ] > >Thanks, > >Michael. > > -- > michael.me...@novell.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot > > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: Email to > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** > > -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [steering-discuss] FOSDEM DevRoom Call for Papers
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 23:40 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > Thanks for your feedback :-) Thank you - the result was excellent :-) > the code, or tell about the tweaks in your build environment, code > changes you have done or those that you prepare, or your work on QA? Oh ! we forgot translators; I updated the wiki page a little. Now we need to encourage people to come, or better encourage people that are coming already to give a talk ;-) ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla
On 2010-11-13 12:38 PM, jonathon wrote: > On 11/12/2010 01:12 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: >> Bug#'s? Thunderbird has never had a problem 'retrieving' our mail >> in our office, and we've been using it (40-60 users over the >> years) since about version 0.8, so whatever your problem is/was, >> obviously it is/was something fairly obscure. > The issue quite literally is: "Too many email accounts with too much > mail to be retrieved". Which really means nothing as a 'bug report'. You said you had reported bugs that were never addressed and/or marked as WONTFIX. I asked for specific bug numbers, so I could go read about them, not a short description of what you imagine the problems is/was. Sounds like you simply encountered problems resulting from the TB developers bad decision to make full offline mode the default for all IMAP accounts. I currently have 25 separate IMAP accounts in Thunderbird, each with its own set of folders, and have been using it this way for many years with basically no problems aside from the known issues/limitations that annoy the hell out of me sometimes... -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] On the Future of TDF
2010/11/15 BRM > - Original Message > > > From: Frank Esposito > > > Oh, well, Windows may disappear before LibO! ;-) > > we can only hope > > Microsoft, as of late, is moving in that direction - as a company. > They almost definitely have <20 years life left; and are quickly working to > make > it under 5 years. > > Only if LibO fares better than MS Office :) > - Original Message > > From: Mirek M. > > It would also be great if LibO, KOffice, AbiWord, Gnumeric, Ease, and > all > > the other open-source editors worked together to set standards. > > It's called Open Document Format (ODF) and LibO/OOo support it. > It's managed by OASIS (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/office/) and > has > been accepted > as an ISO standard as well. > I know that ODF is a standard. I meant set other standards, such as keyboard shortcuts, default websites for content (fonts, templates, clipart, ...), symbolism, command names, default fonts (as I explained, if all the open-source projects agreed on a triad of default fonts, these fonts could easily gain the widespread usage as Times-Arial-Courier have enjoyed for years), etc. > Ben > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: Email to > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion to expand user base: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice
On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 12:02 -0800, Alan C. Baird wrote: > But it requires a template download and installation. If LibreOffice > wants to capitalize on this unique opportunity, the template could be > integrated in the upcoming LibreOffice release. Pragmatically, if you can find a hacker who can knock up a patch that merges the template into the code-base; then - we tend to accept patches on the dev list [ assuming it doesn't add megabytes (compressed) ] to the suite [ which I assume it would not ]. I see no reason why it shouldn't go in - though, clearly not all special interests can do this - nevertheless the mroe templates we have, the more people we have interested in fixing our template browse / selection UI issues I hope ;-) HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] document foundation wiki issues ...
So, When I use the documentfoundation wiki, inevitably trying to edit: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks I often find myself logged in in Hungarian (or some other language) instead of English - worse than that (for whatever reason - even though the entries are labelled appropriately) - Firefox refuses to recognise this as a login page, so I get to re-enter my credentials each time (which is a real pain). Do others experience this ? no doubt I screwed something up and just need to prod one setting or other; and/or is there an easy fix ? [ is there some trivial HTML annotation we can use to make it obvious to the browser that the authentication page is a suitable challenge / response ? ] Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] On the Future of TDF
- Original Message > From: Frank Esposito > > Oh, well, Windows may disappear before LibO! ;-) > we can only hope Microsoft, as of late, is moving in that direction - as a company. They almost definitely have <20 years life left; and are quickly working to make it under 5 years. - Original Message > From: Mirek M. > It would also be great if LibO, KOffice, AbiWord, Gnumeric, Ease, and all > the other open-source editors worked together to set standards. It's called Open Document Format (ODF) and LibO/OOo support it. It's managed by OASIS (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/office/) and has been accepted as an ISO standard as well. Ben -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla
Le 2010-11-15 06:12, Alexander Thurgood a écrit : Hi Marc, Le 15/11/10 11:57, Marc Paré a écrit : Ahh! Great idea! Although, this sounds more like a user-help question. We would then have to be concerned about spammers, nasties etc. uploading files to the Website for nothing. I guess we would have to make sure that there were conditions preventing this. Judging from the recent spamming I've had on my OOo user account on the bugs I'd raised or been involved with in the past, I would say that even IssueZilla is fallible to those kind of attacks (admittedly it doesn't use captcha or anything like that (or at least it didn't when I signed all those years ago :-)). In the past week, at least 5 of the bug issues I worked on / raised as QA and which had been resolved (some of them many years ago) have been the subject of attempted virus/trojan attachment attacks. Any system that might be put in place for LibO would have to, if possible, try and avoid that pitfall for the people being notified by new submissions. OK, I'm wary enough not to use a mail reader that automatically opens attachments, nor do I go around clicking on them willy-nilly, but even so, there is still the potential for harm. Were you part of the long discussion on bug-submission and some (like myself) recommending a mentor/helper helping users submitting bugs? This would almost seem alike. In this case, the user would send the file to the mentor/helper for an initial look at the problem. If the mentor/helper could not solve the problem with his resoureces (some other helpers could be asked to look at the file), then either the mentor/helper or the user would submit the bug. This may be a better way of accomplishing your suggestion and avoids the potential trouble with users flooding the website space with large amounts of files (read spammers). At least the user-mentor/helper scenario would be more intimate (the user would have a real person attached to his problem) and the file upload would only go to the mentor/helper. We had a similar system in the N-L French group, because most of the French users didn't want to, or simply couldn't, get to grips with having to fill in bug reports in English on the IssueZilla site. I personally think that that system worked rather well : the user would submit a bug to other users on the N-L list, those who understood IZ/IT would test to try and reproduce and confirm, and then if confirmed, would submit the issue. So yes, I can see that a similar sort of procedure would work here with LibO. But like I said, this was sort of self-organised from within the Native Lang group. Alex I would be on-side if there was a proposition to formalize this on all localisation groups. It only makes even more sense now. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] On the Future of TDF
> Oh, well, Windows may disappear before LibO! ;-) > -- > Gianluca Turconi > > we can only hope -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Briefing
Hi! I got involved in logo-related discussions on the marketing list. A proper briefing should be at the root of designing a better logo, no matter if there will be a contest or not. Actually this is true for any design or development effort. So what is the most minimal core of a missions statement, what is the essence, the high level goal just a bit more specific than "make the world a better place"? ;) How about: Mission Statement = Develop an office productivity solution and make it and the project itself available to and accessible by a majority of humans. It follows: - Given our modern needs, there needs to be software - Internationalization - Free Software - All major platforms - Interoperability - Open, documented interfaces - Open, documented file formats - Compatibility with other solutions - Collaboration - Meritocracy (there needs to be some hurdle for contributing and based on ability*effort is best, if you care about the result) Notes = I would usually encourage defining an audience as narrow as possible, but it seems the widest possible scope is actually defining for this project. If not, please step forward with definitions of a narrower audience. The statement is phrased in a way that opens the door for education and non-software bound approaches. The word "develop" shall imply optimizing the process and outcome. "Best possible" or "optimal" would just bloat the statement, as it's clear that you don't want an just-acceptable solution. However, it's not clear what optimal or best possible really means in the end. But what is an "office productivity solution" or an "office (software) suite", actually? How do you define the scope here? How do you include enough, but not too much? You could say: the solution must cover: - text documents with embedded graphics, from letters to books - presentations, including animations, embedded sound and video - doing Calculations, including in a tabular fashion (spreadsheet) - managing interlinked data and doing queries (relational database) Long term, both "spreadsheets" and "relational database" might be too specific, as they don't define the actual needs and goals being addressed. Seeing spreadsheets and relational database as solutions, can you define the problems they solve succinctly? How to rule out (given we really have/want to): - (full-featured) audio and video editing? - advanced animation features (think Flash, Synfig)? - advanced scientific and engineering needs regarding calculations, including simulations? -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: Inkscape vs. Draw (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button)
2010/11/15 Ian Lynch : > The point is that for me Inkscape is more usable and if there was an option > to replace Draw with it in LO/OOo I'd take that option. Clumsy > non-multi-tasking dialogues are just one of many issues. I guess if a long > time supporter of OOo like me is saying this many others would too, so > rather than trying to justify Draw's shortcomings we need to work out how to > prioritise improvements to Draw and learn from applications that do it > better. > -- > Ian I use Draw only for simply diagrams, for complex stuff I use Inkscape or (maybe, I'm starting the tests with it) karbon14. -- Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: Inkscape vs. Draw (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button)
> > > > Inkscape is used by kids in primary schools so the argument about > > professional designers doesn't really hold water - I use it on a netbook! > So > > why not have docked panes in Draw? If it works well offer it. > > Simple. Because the topic wasn't about docked panes, but about the > transformation dialog. > You brought up docked panes, not me ;-) And, "used" varies. If we compare functionality, then it should be > compared on a given use case. Take most use cases and Inkscape will win. > I agree that Inkscape is a great tool and > much more handy for kids - in my point of view, because simple things > like like moving objects, drag-and-drop, ... works better. > > But, to be efficient within complex graphics, the task pane of Inkscape > just "grabs" a lot of space (which then has to be scrolled, or you have > to undock it and move it around, ...). Fortunately, in our case, > position control is given via the toolbars - not only via the task pane. > Which is a whole lot less user friendly, whether it is a professional graphics designer or a school kid. > > By the way, Christian Lippka offered a nice "private" teaser some weeks > ago. This is about how the layout might work for such task panes: > http://lippka.com/teaser.png > > However, the original discussion was about avoiding iterative > opening/closing the position dialog. And the given proposal was to - > first - improve the positioning first. > The point is that for me Inkscape is more usable and if there was an option to replace Draw with it in LO/OOo I'd take that option. Clumsy non-multi-tasking dialogues are just one of many issues. I guess if a long time supporter of OOo like me is saying this many others would too, so rather than trying to justify Draw's shortcomings we need to work out how to prioritise improvements to Draw and learn from applications that do it better. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQwww.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla
Hi all, Le 15/11/10 05:39, Marc Paré a écrit : > > While I think this is a good idea, are you looking to see if this is > possible to do on the LO website? > IMHO, I think this would be a brilliant idea too, and would help with bug triaging. In my experience, most people's immediate concern / dislike / hatred / frustration of a software product like an office productivity suite is when the document they are working on does not display / print / edit in the way they were expecting or causes a crash or freeze. A central place where these could be left, commented on, analysed etc would be good. However, it would have to, I would think be seamlessly integrated into the LibO website (via linking to an external or an own platform). One of the things at present that is offputting for the non-specialist in the bug submission process is having to go to a site that has nothing to do with LibreOffice whatsoever. To submit a bug for LibO, one has to sign up to the freedesktop submission process : it would make things easier for many if that could all be handled transparently via the LibO website. Just my 2c. Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Suggestion to expand user base: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2010-11-15 00:43, Andy Brown a écrit : > >>> >>> Re: music through Draw for musical notation. I think this would only >>> be of value for the most basic of work. There are already many good >>> music software programmes out in the OSS world. I don't think that >>> LibreOffice could ever make a name for itself this way as it is the >>> wrong tool for music making/creating. >>> >>> Marc >> >> Run a search for music on the OOo extension and template sites, maybe >> eye opening. :) >> >> Andy >> >> > > Thanks. Yes, these are good static pages. I thought you were suggesting > something more involved. Actually, I use the music paper template when I > teach it at school. Save on buying a pad. We could have more of these > templates made available to the template repository quite easily. > > Re: extensions. The LilyPond extension is interesting but very few people in > current university/music recording settings use it. It would be a very > daunting extension/programme for regular users. Most use Sibelius or Finale. > But sure, if someone could create a WYSIWYG notation extension, that would > be quite a feat. If all it could do is notate and allow for type, that would > be enough for first timers to use and with the amount of people who use LO, > the user base is already built-in. Does it sound like I am convincing > myself? Sounds like a good idea now. All we need is a willing dev. > Another way to describe this is that we want LibreOffice to have a mode that enforces Styles and Formatting/Template for a document? As far as I understand, currently LibreOffice does not force you to follow a template to the letter. A developer could act on such a request, and we could describe how the UI should behave to make their job easier. If an extension can perform fully the work of the feature, such as Screenwright(R), then it makes sense to keep it as an extension. Is Screenwright(R) merely a template file? If so, then request «Please add the Screenwright(R) template as part of the standard LibreOffice distribution». I expect that Screenwright(R) would make use of such custom toolbar, so it is more for an extension. The thing you should avoid is that if Screenwright(R) requires code changes, in a similar ways that addons in Firefox enhance the browser, then it is best to keep Screenwright(R) as an extension. By keeping Screenwright(R) as an extension, you can modify and enhance it at your own speed, which is much faster than that speed of the releases of LibreOffice. Is Screenwright(R) a done job and will never receive an update, or even translation? This is the criterion. Hope this helps, Simos -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] On the Future of TDF
Il 14/11/2010 23.27, Thorsten Behrens ha scritto: asking for a*forever* promise is maybe a bit too much - but rest assured that I can't see anybody in his right mind axe Windows support in the next ten years.;) Oh, well, Windows may disappear before LibO! ;-) -- Gianluca Turconi -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
