[tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-dicuss] Install Instruction Suggestion
Le 2010-11-26 13:16, David Nelson a écrit : Hi Marc, :-) On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 02:06, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: I used the Mandriva package manager. It had all of the LibreOffice rpms listed. Worked really well with all LO betas. I don't know how to do this at the command line. I'm drafting the how-to's at this second. You want to write some instructions for Mandriva, using their package manager system, and post them back here quickly? That way I can include those too? TIA if so... ;-) David Nelson Hi David: here are the installation notes that I left on the users mailist for Mandriva: == Here are the instructions to install the Betas: Just wanted to make note of the following. If you plan on installing the LibreOffice v. 3.3 beta on linux, here are some steps that could help you do an easier install if you are not used to using too much of the console and prompt. Install process: Installation (based on a KDE desktop Mandriva 2010.1) === BEFORE STARTING, UNINSTALL ALL PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF LIBREOFFICE WITH THROUGH THE MCC AND THEN QUIT THE MCC 1. download LibreOffice from http://www.documentfoundation.org to your downloads folder into a folder called LibreOffice 2. open Dolphin 3. browse to the LibreOffice folder in the downloads folder 4. right-click on the LibreOffice file and choose extract archive here 5. once extracted double-click on folder en-Us and then RPMS and then desktop-integration 6. in Dolphin do F3 (this will split screen your window) 7. click in the right window once and click on the UP arrow in the main menu bar up-above in Dolphin 8. you will now have the left window desktop-integration and right RPMS windows open 9. in the left window drag the libreoffice3.3-mandriva-menus-3.3-.noarch.rpm file to the RPMS window and choose Copy ** 10. in Dolphin do F3 and use the UP arrow till you are back at the level where you see the licenses, readme, RPMS folders 11. right-click on folder RPMS and choose Action-Open Konsole 12. Konsole will now open with a $ 13. in Konsole do $su (this is super user mode) 14. type in your root password 15. in Konsole do #rpm -Uvih *rpm 16. wait till all the packages have installed -- ** for step 9. -- Note that if you are on Freedesktop drag the corresponding file instead; if you are on RedHat drag the corresponding file instead; if you are on Suse drag corresponding file instead You will now have the LibreOffice v. 3.3.0 BetaX installed and in your Mandriva menu. However, IF your KDE LibO menu items do not work. To setup your Mandriva menu, right click on the Mandriva start button (taskbar button with the star) and choose Edit Menu. Find the LibreOffice icon (in Office) and click on it once; the right-hand window of the editing window will become active and choose Command -- click on the folder icon and browse to the Opt/libreoffice3 etc. till you find the right corresponding command file. Do the same for all of the other sets of the LibreOffice icons in the start menu. Hope this helps those who wish to try the LibreOffice v.3.3. beta. Remember, that this is a beta and may have some hiccups along the way. The look and feel of the suite has still not been polished. Marc == -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Request: Installation Instructions
Thanks for the clarifications. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.
Le 2010-11-26 15:16, Robert Derman a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-11-25 14:44, Robert Derman a écrit : With all the discussion of the size of the download package and the difficulty of including things like manuals I suddenly realized that perhaps we are going about this thing entirely wrong! Perhaps what we should do is offer a CHOICE of several download packages, not just one take it or leave it package. A basic download package with just the core LO Office Suite, like what we have had up to now, and as an alternative, a Complete package including users manual(s), templates, extensions, clip art, fonts, anything else that should be in a complete package. Perhaps we could even offer a Writer Only package without Calc, Draw, Impress, Base, or Math, and with just a BRIEF users manual for Writer. I suspect that there may be many home users that just want a word processor and aren't at all interested in the rest of the suite. Different users have very different internet connections, some are still dial up. Some are DSL, and some are Cable and have huge bandwidth. Offering only a One-Size-Fits-All package may no longer be the best idea. Hi Robert: Yes this would be ideal. However, this would also impact our developers and add to their work. I, myself, would favour Barbara's suggestion of having a link offering the user the to download extra packages such as manuals. BTW ... I don't believe, at this point, that the downloading the LibreOffice into different modules (Writer, Impress, Calc etc) is possible. There has been talk of it but I believe this would require a rewrite of the code. Actually this would have NO significant impact on developers workload. It is a simple matter of creating a set of folders to download rather than a single one. I haven't used Linux for a while, (it was Lindows, or perhaps Freespire) anyway even with that, like with Windows, it is a simple matter of drag and drop. Each downloadable package should be very plainly labeled as to how many megabytes it contains. (also a listing of its contents) As far as a Writer only package, that naturally would have to wait until after a major rewrite of the code, which I understand from what I have read here on Discuss, is coming. Whether such an option is ever offered would probably depend on the results of a survey. Now I know that this would require more space on the download server, but in this day of 1 terabyte hard drives selling on the internet for $60.00 US dollars, that is probably not a big deal. Actually if I had to guess, it would be that 40% to 50% of users only ever use the Writer module and never use any of the rest of the suite. I myself am in that group. I am thinking that even for Writer only users there might be some that want a very minimal package, Just the core program and perhaps a very short manual, while others might want an extensive manual and lots of templates, extensions and clip art. I would have not problem with this. Sounds reasonable. How about if we had an installation where it offered the users these choices upfront and the same page of offerings would be offered in the Help menu. This would make it a familiar page both at the install stage and once the user familiarized herself/himself with the programme. We would have to find a way to advertise extensions and plugins so that users would be aware of their availability. Maybe at each install we could offer the user a subscription to a monthly LibreOffice Magazine that would highlight extensions and What's New! in the LibreOffice world. There could be a downloading on-site menu PRIOR to downloading the suite offering extra downloadable options or a menu in the installation routine (AFTER downloading the suite) that would offer you a choice of downloading extra items such as the manual. Of these two options, I would prefer being offered the menu AFTER having downloaded the LO suite. The reason for this: some users may find that downloading the suite took a longer than the anticipated time and they would not have enough time/patience to download the additional items.On the other hand, if the LO suite had taken less anticipated time to download, the user may feel it right to download the extra items. Marc Here I really must disagree, I think pretty much everyone knows what sort of internet connection they have, and therefore if the downloadable packages are plainly labeled as to size in megabytes, (which they certainly should be) then they would know what sort of download time is involved. The only real variable here being if the download server is overloaded, and if you watch your download speeds you will know if that is the case. There should probably be a couple of download packages offered for those that downloaded a basic package and later wished that they had downloaded more. Yes, this is easily said when we are on a high speed connection. We need to remember, that we should always take into consideration our members who
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.
Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-11-26 15:16, Robert Derman a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-11-25 14:44, Robert Derman a écrit : With all the discussion of the size of the download package and the difficulty of including things like manuals I suddenly realized that perhaps we are going about this thing entirely wrong! Perhaps what we should do is offer a CHOICE of several download packages, not just one take it or leave it package. A basic download package with just the core LO Office Suite, like what we have had up to now, and as an alternative, a Complete package including users manual(s), templates, extensions, clip art, fonts, anything else that should be in a complete package. Perhaps we could even offer a Writer Only package without Calc, Draw, Impress, Base, or Math, and with just a BRIEF users manual for Writer. I suspect that there may be many home users that just want a word processor and aren't at all interested in the rest of the suite. Different users have very different internet connections, some are still dial up. Some are DSL, and some are Cable and have huge bandwidth. Offering only a One-Size-Fits-All package may no longer be the best idea. Hi Robert: Yes this would be ideal. However, this would also impact our developers and add to their work. I, myself, would favour Barbara's suggestion of having a link offering the user the to download extra packages such as manuals. BTW ... I don't believe, at this point, that the downloading the LibreOffice into different modules (Writer, Impress, Calc etc) is possible. There has been talk of it but I believe this would require a rewrite of the code. Actually this would have NO significant impact on developers workload. It is a simple matter of creating a set of folders to download rather than a single one. I haven't used Linux for a while, (it was Lindows, or perhaps Freespire) anyway even with that, like with Windows, it is a simple matter of drag and drop. Each downloadable package should be very plainly labeled as to how many megabytes it contains. (also a listing of its contents) As far as a Writer only package, that naturally would have to wait until after a major rewrite of the code, which I understand from what I have read here on Discuss, is coming. Whether such an option is ever offered would probably depend on the results of a survey. Now I know that this would require more space on the download server, but in this day of 1 terabyte hard drives selling on the internet for $60.00 US dollars, that is probably not a big deal. Actually if I had to guess, it would be that 40% to 50% of users only ever use the Writer module and never use any of the rest of the suite. I myself am in that group. I am thinking that even for Writer only users there might be some that want a very minimal package, Just the core program and perhaps a very short manual, while others might want an extensive manual and lots of templates, extensions and clip art. I would have not problem with this. Sounds reasonable. How about if we had an installation where it offered the users these choices upfront and the same page of offerings would be offered in the Help menu. This would make it a familiar page both at the install stage and once the user familiarized herself/himself with the programme. We would have to find a way to advertise extensions and plugins so that users would be aware of their availability. Marc, I think we are essentially on the same page now. I should probably tell everyone a little about my experience so that you will understand my skill levels. I am a retired system builder. Over the years I have built about a thousand computers, all had M$ operating systems installed on them. I was one of those people who was slow to warm to Windows, I always thought that M$ didn't do nearly enough to improve DOS. I only ever built 1 machine with that piece of crap, Vista on it. I talked everyone else into having me install XP. I was never able to talk anyone into Linux. I did however install Linux on a bunch of donated machines that I refurbished for donation to non-profits. They all got Linspire or Freespire with built in OOo. And yes, Linspire and Freespire were actually easier to install than Win XP. I probably should also mention that once OOo became available, it pre-installed it on every computer I built. I got a lot of thank-yous for that! Now as to having a variety of download packages, all would have the exact same LO program suite. the only difference would be in the Extras packaged with it. these would probably all be in a separate sub folder. The Basic package would be only the LO Office Suite itself. Then there could be an intermediate package with a fairly brief manual, 200 pages, perhaps the top 10 of extensions and the top 20 templates, whatever, and a good selection of clip art. Then finally a Complete package with an extensive manual, all popular templates and extensions, and an extensive
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.
Hi Robert, *, Robert Derman schrieb: [.. big snip ..] P.S. I hope we can find a company or group of volunteers that can make an LO package available on disk. Regarding ISO-files for burning disks: good news for You. We offered such ISO files for german language OpenOffice.org installer, templates, extentions, and additional software to equip an office box. We will also release an international/english version, but some time is needed to set this up. I think it should be possible to make it available for no more than 5 US dollars or equivalent including shipping. For those folks with NO internet connection, it would be best if we could get the disk into retail channels. For these people, if a software program is not available at retail, then it simply doesn't exist. With such an ISO probably You might be distributor and retailer of that disk for Your region? To get an impression of our box You can grab the current DVD iso file here (german, Bittorrent only): http://torrent.projects.ooodev.org:6969/torrents/LibreOffice_3.3.0-1_DVD_snapshot-20101112-22.25.13_libreoffice-box_allplatforms_libreofice-box_de.iso.torrent?info_hash=47dd3235a48b67860fe91b44ea7e0b83f925796f If You aren't afraid of german, download it, burn it (not as file, but by burn image.. ) and have a look. We built in a more easy to use windows installer realized through an on disk k-meleon browser. Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
