Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi Johannes, all,
Johannes A. Bodwing schrieb:
[...]
But another Sorry - I think this point ("Wow") has to be discussed
basicly, not only for the website. Because the style of the website will
just follow the fundamental goals of LO/TDF.
The basic goals of the foundation are presented on the website:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/
First paragraph "Our mission"
For LibO there is the "Next Decade Manifesto":
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Next_Decade_Manifesto
but we already started a discussion about our goals in two threads here
and on the marketing mailing list (linked from the contribute web page
like the website list).
Please search for subjects like "Briefing" and "LibO Mission Statement".
These discussions have been postponed until the present workload
(release of LibO 3.3.0) has been reduced, but after that we'll discuss
these topics with major impact on our marketing, branding and general
positioning (including product shaping).
Thorsten Wilms already created a wiki page about this topic.
See his mail on the marketing list:
If you want, you can add your thoughts there,
so they will not be forgot when we start this discussion...
Best regards
Bernhard
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Johannes A. Bodwing December 8, 2010 10:20 PM: Stands LO in the competition with every other Office-Suite? Or will it be a work for fun till the fun is gone and than there will be something else (like it was said some times ago on OOo in a greater dispute)? Of course. If LO accepts this challenge (competition with other Suites), than everything is based on the next question: What has to do that LO becomes the best Office Suite, better than the rest and for a long time? That so many people as possible are sure of LO is the best they could find for Office-Work in private and business or profession. First, being known, and when I say being know I mean being exposed at least a dozen times per year to any prospect user, as this is the number of times they read about MS Office. When you reach this first target, then we can discuss about other targets. In Italy, when we have reached this objective we have realized that we were at 15% market share, with 50 volunteers, no money at all, the product that you know and a lame web site. Something similar happened in France and Germany. And this leads automaticly to the most useful website-design, to the best marketing, the features we need, how many money, how many people and so on. In my opinion OOo ignored this to long. And LO copies some of that. TDF will have some money, but not enough money to compete with MS Office, some people, but not as many as MS Office, some features, but features are just bullshit for 80% of users (provided that LO has all the features needed by this 80% of users, which is already true), but we will have more fun, more enthusiasm and more brainpower than MS. TDF will be a case history for guerrilla marketing, not for marketing warfare. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Johannes A. Bodwing December 8, 2010 10:20 PM: Stands LO in the competition with every other Office-Suite? Or will it be a work for fun till the fun is gone and than there will be something else (like it was said some times ago on OOo in a greater dispute)? Of course. If LO accepts this challenge (competition with other Suites), than everything is based on the next question: What has to do that LO becomes the best Office Suite, better than the rest and for a long time? That so many people as possible are sure of LO is the best they could find for Office-Work in private and business or profession. First, being known, and when I say being know I mean being exposed at least a dozen times per year to any prospect user, as this is the number of times they read about MS Office. When you reach this first target, then we can discuss about other targets. In Italy, when we have reached this objective we have realized that we were at 15% market share, with 50 volunteers, no money at all, the product that you know and a lame web site. Something similar happened in France and Germany. And this leads automaticly to the most useful website-design, to the best marketing, the features we need, how many money, how many people and so on. In my opinion OOo ignored this to long. And LO copies some of that. TDF will have some money, but not enough money to compete with MS Office, some people, but not as many as MS Office, some features, but features are just bullshit for 80% of users (provided that LO has all the features needed by this 80% of users, which is already true), but we will have more fun, more enthusiasm and more brainpower than MS. TDF will be a case history for guerrilla marketing, not for marketing warfare. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi Johannes, * Johannes A. Bodwing schrieb: Hi Bernhard, ... Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if you have some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly (with the built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used). I have no spare time, but I'll try to squeeze it into 24 hours of the day - where can I find this website mailing list? On http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ : # webs...@libreoffice.org: Discussions on maintaining and enhancing our website, wiki, planet and other infrastructure Subscription: website+subscr...@libreoffice.org Digest subscription: website+subscribe-dig...@libreoffice.org Archives: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ Mail-Archive.com: http://www.mail-archive.com/webs...@libreoffice.org/ GMANE: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.website Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi Bernard, :-) On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 04:35, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if you have > some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly (with the > built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used). Please do not suggest to people to start editing the site content at this particular time. I am currently producing the initial content in liaison with Italo Vignoli, and we will never get finished if everybody jumps in wildly... The site can be ready in just a very few days now. Before, other members of the website team had weeks and weeks to work on it, and did practically nothing. So please just allow Italo and I to get this finished quickly? It will be better for the community as a whole. ;-) If so, thank you for your understanding. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws
Hi Thorsten, :-) On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 03:07, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Hi David, all, > > there's a fine line here, and somewhat of a difference e.g. between > US- and european countries, when it comes to the aforementioned > points. We've made it a rule in TDF, to not prematurely > over-regulate - so I'd generally be in favour of using common sense, > instead of blacklisting topics (which is not gonna cover all future > cases anyway). On that grounds, what about staying with the sentence > before (which is a whitelist, and thus inherently much more positive > in tone): > > "Every Member is expected to deal with other Community Members and > with our end users with courtesy, forbearance, objectivity, > open-mindedness, friendliness, understanding, patience and > goodwill." > > and striking the contentious sentence for the while? Do you see any > of the blacklisted topics not covered by the positive statement? > > Cheers, Charles has stated that the community bylaws are to be considered to be in force now, and that any further changes must be made by the BoD... I no longer have a green light to edit them... Sorry about this... David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi Bernhard, ... Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if you have some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly (with the built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used). I have no spare time, but I'll try to squeeze it into 24 hours of the day - where can I find this website mailing list? Thank You, Johannes -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hello,
...
Johannes A. Bodwing schrieb:
Sorry people,
...
As long as the LibO website is under construction you will find it
here: http://www.test.libreoffice.org
But I think that's not the first page for www.libreoffice.org at this
state of the project.
Why?
LO and TDF are at the beginning. So many people don't know what it is
and why they should use it.
In this phase the Start-Side or Home-Side has to be created under the
points of marketing, as a "Wow"-Side.
Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if
you have some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly
(with the built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used).
I've thought it is discussed in this thread. But OK, I'll look at the
website mailing list next days.
But another Sorry - I think this point ("Wow") has to be discussed
basicly, not only for the website. Because the style of the website will
just follow the fundamental goals of LO/TDF.
And for that the very first question is:
Stands LO in the competition with every other Office-Suite? Or will it
be a work for fun till the fun is gone and than there will be something
else (like it was said some times ago on OOo in a greater dispute)?
If LO accepts this challenge (competition with other Suites), than
everything is based on the next question:
What has to do that LO becomes the best Office Suite, better than the
rest and for a long time? That so many people as possible are sure of LO
is the best they could find for Office-Work in private and business or
profession.
And this leads automaticly to the most useful website-design, to the
best marketing, the features we need, how many money, how many people
and so on.
In my opinion OOo ignored this to long. And LO copies some of that.
Johannes
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Formula-text alignment (patch for issue 972)
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 21:23 +0100, RGB ES wrote: > OOo DEV300m95 include the long awaited fix for issue 972 > http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=972 > automated vertical alignment for Math objects on Writer documents. The > quick tests I did show that the patch works quite well! > I know it is too late for including this patch on LibO, but is it > necessary to fill a bug report asking for this or issuezilla is still > considered as a "valid info source" for LibO development? There is no set rule for this, but people usually drop a note on the libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org list, and when a relevant developer reviews and okays it, it goes into the LibO repository. Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi Johannes, * Johannes A. Bodwing schrieb: Sorry people, ... As long as the LibO website is under construction you will find it here: http://www.test.libreoffice.org But I think that's not the first page for www.libreoffice.org at this state of the project. Why? LO and TDF are at the beginning. So many people don't know what it is and why they should use it. In this phase the Start-Side or Home-Side has to be created under the points of marketing, as a "Wow"-Side. Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if you have some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly (with the built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used). Any help is highly appreciated! Best regards Bernhard [... removed the proposal ...] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Formula-text alignment (patch for issue 972)
OOo DEV300m95 include the long awaited fix for issue 972 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=972 automated vertical alignment for Math objects on Writer documents. The quick tests I did show that the patch works quite well! I know it is too late for including this patch on LibO, but is it necessary to fill a bug report asking for this or issuezilla is still considered as a "valid info source" for LibO development? Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO
Precompiled RPM's on the openSUSE repository...built for the distro. So maybe that's an issue. Bob On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Susan Cragin wrote: > >I am running 64 bit openSUSE version LO 3.3 RC1 and have had no trouble > >at allso maybe it's unique to > >your system? The beta versions ran tooand all of the features seem > >to workIntel Core 2 duo > > > >Bob > > Bob-- > May I asked how you installed yours? I have been using the unofficial debs. > Did you convert the RPMs, or compile? > I'm not familiar with openSUSE. > Susan > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO
>I am running 64 bit openSUSE version LO 3.3 RC1 and have had no trouble >at allso maybe it's unique to >your system? The beta versions ran tooand all of the features seem >to workIntel Core 2 duo > >Bob Bob-- May I asked how you installed yours? I have been using the unofficial debs. Did you convert the RPMs, or compile? I'm not familiar with openSUSE. Susan -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO
On 12/08/2010 11:18 AM, Susan Cragin wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 11:52 -0500, Susan Cragin wrote: LibO_3.3.0rc1_Linux_x86-64 is based on that earlier version that still had bugs. So, may I ask what the bugs are? I don't know. I'm not a programmer, nor affiliated with OO. Just a user who just switched from Ubuntu 32-bit to Ubuntu 64-bit. LibO ran great in 32-bit, and I became dependent upon the ability to fold sections in Navigator. I can only tell you this, LibO's current 64-bit version does not run, at least on my Intel core duo machine. @ubuntu:/opt/libreoffice/program$ swriter swriter: command not found Of the OO 64-bit versions: The current release candidate runs. The last developer snapshot did not run. Today's developer snapshot (95) does run. I am running 64 bit openSUSE version LO 3.3 RC1 and have had no trouble at allso maybe it's unique to your system? The beta versions ran tooand all of the features seem to workIntel Core 2 duo Bob -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO
>On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 11:52 -0500, Susan Cragin wrote: >> LibO_3.3.0rc1_Linux_x86-64 is based on that earlier version that still had >> bugs. > >So, may I ask what the bugs are? I don't know. I'm not a programmer, nor affiliated with OO. Just a user who just switched from Ubuntu 32-bit to Ubuntu 64-bit. LibO ran great in 32-bit, and I became dependent upon the ability to fold sections in Navigator. I can only tell you this, LibO's current 64-bit version does not run, at least on my Intel core duo machine. @ubuntu:/opt/libreoffice/program$ swriter swriter: command not found Of the OO 64-bit versions: The current release candidate runs. The last developer snapshot did not run. Today's developer snapshot (95) does run. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO
?? I'm running 64 bits versions of OOo since 3.0 without problems. Go-oo had problems with 64 bits builds (pdf export on openSUSE was a nightmare for a long time) but vanilla builds always worked for me and LibO also. 2010/12/8 Susan Cragin : > The current version of openoffice DEV300M95 for Linux 64-bit currently works. > Earlier versions of the 64-bit code had bugs that prevented 64 from running, > but these have apparently been resolved. > > LibO_3.3.0rc1_Linux_x86-64 is based on that earlier version that still had > bugs. > > So, thought you might want to know. > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 11:52 -0500, Susan Cragin wrote: > LibO_3.3.0rc1_Linux_x86-64 is based on that earlier version that still had > bugs. So, may I ask what the bugs are? > So, thought you might want to know. Sure, but more details would be nice, or else it's impossible for us to fix. Thanks, Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO
The current version of openoffice DEV300M95 for Linux 64-bit currently works. Earlier versions of the 64-bit code had bugs that prevented 64 from running, but these have apparently been resolved. LibO_3.3.0rc1_Linux_x86-64 is based on that earlier version that still had bugs. So, thought you might want to know. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Sorry people 2, Sorry people, ... *Get It!* two lines below should stand on the right side of the website, big and as a Link. writing texts drawing *Get It !* [as a Link to the Download-Side] spreadsheet and many more Than follows the rest: ... Johannes -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] portable version
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Thomas Hofmann wrote: > Hello all, > > I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too? > > Did anybody know something about a portable version? Is it this > difficult to setup one? > > best greetings, Thomas > -- > --[ Thomas Hofmann, Dorfen, tho...@th-o.de ]-- > it should be released with the release version at portableapps.com http://portableapps.com/node/25717 -fe -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] portable version
Hello Jonathan, thanks so far. I knew PortableApps, yes. But the guides are in my opinion more loose than strict. Step 3: The Analysis The next step is to determine what needs to be altered to make a program portable. Does it store its settings in the registry? Does it store them within Documents and Settings? Does it use an INI file? Can any of these be changed with commandline parameters (eg: --config X:\appdata)? You'll need to find this out to determine what you'll need to do to make the app portable. Hm, I don't really know what points there are. That's why I wrote my Q here. Is it documented, what things are written to registry? What things are written to Documents and Settings? I don't really know. Thanks, Thomas -- --[ Thomas Hofmann, Dorfen, tho...@th-o.de ]-- On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I know of a site that does portable apps for windows. Seeing how to do it > there you might be able to get an idea of how things need to be done to make > it portable on other operating systems. > > the site is http://portableapps.com/ > > On 12/8/10 10:53 AM, Thomas Hofmann wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too? >> >> Did anybody know something about a portable version? Is it this >> difficult to setup one? >> >> best greetings, Thomas >> -- >> --[ Thomas Hofmann, Dorfen, tho...@th-o.de ]-- >> > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws
Hi David, On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 20:33 +0800, David Nelson wrote: > I must admit that I don't really agree with you, Michael. There is > always need for organization and coordination in any human enterprise. Sure - we are all agreed on this :-) the question is whether that requires formal job titles, or whether it scales and adapts better with informal relationships backed up by transparency. > >Members are expected to refrain from any kind of expression of > >racism, xenophobia, sexism and religious or political > >intolerance. .. > Again, I'm afraid don't agree with you. One of the negative things > about many FOSS projects is the kind of negative behavior, attitudes > and treatment that people sometimes have to put up with - there have > been several threads in the TDF lists where it has occurred. I suspect > that there would be plenty of people who would support what I've > written. So - if you have cases where you would want to exclude people from membership for these reasons, or to censor them - please do post links; if people are not prepared to point the finger, then there is little purpose served by the rule surely ? :-) Furthermore, I have a vast political intolerance for parties that lobby for software patents (indeed I've lobbied against them), I have a near-null tolerance for some religions that involve human sacrifice [ there are some still extant ] and/or the consumption of endangered species, and I have a similar acute distaste for terrorism, and Israeli oppression. Bingo - I just broke most of the rules. The current paragraph with its incredibly broad scope forbids me to express any of these things in any context - as such is over-broad as well as un-necessary :-) The excellent text forbidding ad-hominem attacks, abuse etc. seems to cover all the interesting situations of inter-personal conflict that we want to proscribe. > In any case, you've had lots of time to read and comment. ;-) Me, I > was extremely concerned from day #1 of the launch that TDF had not > prepared things properly, and that it did not have a "draft > constitution" to put before people right at the outset. But instead of > just standing back and criticizing from a distance, I wanted to get > involved in remedying the problem. And you did a great job :-) as I say - don't get the impression that I don't like the overall result; it is IMHO nearly perfect. > In any case, I've done my best to be of practical help, and you guys > are free to do what you will. ;-) So - again, thank you ! it was wonderful to have you engaged. That we disagree on some details doesn't nullify the great work you put in here, the useful checks & balances, critical thinking, textual review etc. was much appreciated by me at least. Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Sorry people, ... As long as the LibO website is under construction you will find it here: http://www.test.libreoffice.org But I think that's not the first page for www.libreoffice.org at this state of the project. Why? LO and TDF are at the beginning. So many people don't know what it is and why they should use it. In this phase the Start-Side or Home-Side has to be created under the points of marketing, as a "Wow"-Side. That means as a rough example - one clicks www.libreoffice.org and gets: Welcome to LibreOffice the Office-Collection that improves your work in writing texts drawing *Get It !* [as a Link to the Download-Side] spreadsheet and many more Than follows the rest: More Information about LibreOffice [as a Link] What is The Document Foundation doing [as a Link] Involving, Supporting eg. Later on, when LO is widely established, could a Start-Side like the actual follow. But now LO needs a clever marketing-based Start-Side to "catch" the user. A side that makes clear: that's just the right Office-Suite for me and for what I am doing. Please don't copy OOo. In my opinion they did and do the same failure, to make a more functional side but no side to inspire people for their Suite. Regards, Johannes -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi Harold, :-) On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 18:58, Harold Fuchs wrote: > Interesting that the Support tab doesn't mention > - forums > - technical FAQs > - installation instructions > - documentation > - system requirements In that "technical FAQs" section, can you give me more details about what you envision there? Got ideas for the categories? Got ideas for specific questions in those FAQs? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Harold, Am 08.12.2010 11:58, schrieb Harold Fuchs: > Interesting that the Support tab doesn't mention > - forums > - technical FAQs > - installation instructions > - documentation > - system requirements The site is under construction. What do you expect? You are invited to contribute! Please follow these steps: * subscribe to the website mailing list http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/#lists * register on the website https://test.libreoffice.org/ForumMemberProfile/register (in case you see an SSL warning, refer to "http://wiki.cacert.org/BrowserClients * apply for your role as author or publisher on the website mailing list > I'm also fascinated, having retired from software development 10 > years ago and after all the articles and theses that have been > written on the subject for at least 30 years, that the industry is > still operating on the basis of "let's get the code out there and > worry about the documentation later". This is not the industry. This is a project of volunteers. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi Harold, :-) On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 18:58, Harold Fuchs wrote: > Interesting that the Support tab doesn't mention > - forums > - technical FAQs > - installation instructions > - documentation > - system requirements > > I'm also fascinated, having retired from software development 10 years ago > and after all the articles and theses that have been written on the subject > for at least 30 years, that the industry is still operating on the basis of > "let's get the code out there and worry about the documentation later". > Quite remarkable. Seems Weinberg's Second Law still applies. Thanks for the interesting input for the support tab. I'll be taking account of these ideas. My primary focus in this project is documentation, and I share your concerns about that. I hope to make a difference in this area. Did you sign up for the docs mailing list? Please do keep your finger on the pulse there, and speak up with your ideas and comments (constructive). Did you see the new Linux installation instructions I pointed you to? Feel free to feed back on the docs list about them... David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
"Stefan Weigel" wrote in message news:4cff602c.7060...@bildungskreis.org... Am 08.12.2010 10:49, schrieb Harold Fuchs: By "static site" you mean http://www.documentfoundation.org ? By "live site" you mean http://www.libreoffice.org ? These two links point at the same place. ??? Yes. But only as long as the LibO website did not go public. As long as the LibO website is under construction you will find it here: http://www.test.libreoffice.org Stefan Ah. Thank you. Interesting that the Support tab doesn't mention - forums - technical FAQs - installation instructions - documentation - system requirements I'm also fascinated, having retired from software development 10 years ago and after all the articles and theses that have been written on the subject for at least 30 years, that the industry is still operating on the basis of "let's get the code out there and worry about the documentation later". Quite remarkable. Seems Weinberg's Second Law still applies. -- Harold Fuchs London, England -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi David, *, David Nelson schrieb: [.. libreoffice.org website lauch delay issues ..] >We're going to get this site on the road really quickly now. That are good news! :o)) Thanks for feeding the engine with gasoline. :o)) Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] portable version
Sorry, 2010/12/8 Sigrid Carrera : > Hi Thomas, > > 2010/12/8 Thomas Hofmann : >> Hello all, >> >> I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too? > > yes, you guessed correct. ;) > There are a few germanspeaking lists too. Try > disc...@de.libreoffice.org or us...@libreoffice.org wrong name here, it must be: us...@de.libreoffice.org Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] portable version
Hallo Thomas, Am 08.12.2010 10:53, schrieb Thomas Hofmann: > I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/de > Did anybody know something about a portable version? Is it this > difficult to setup one? As far as I know, the makers of OOoPortable are already working on a LibOPortable. http://portableapps.com/node/25074 Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] portable version
Hi Thomas, 2010/12/8 Thomas Hofmann : > Hello all, > > I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too? yes, you guessed correct. ;) There are a few germanspeaking lists too. Try disc...@de.libreoffice.org or us...@libreoffice.org > Did anybody know something about a portable version? Is it this > difficult to setup one? AFAIK, Marko Moeller (the former OOo-Co-Lead for the de-project) is working on a portable version of LibreOffice. It will be available on the portableapps website. (Marko, please correct me, if I'm wrong). > best greetings, Thomas same to you. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Am 08.12.2010 10:49, schrieb Harold Fuchs: >> By "static site" you mean http://www.documentfoundation.org ? >> By "live site" you mean http://www.libreoffice.org ? > > These two links point at the same place. ??? Yes. But only as long as the LibO website did not go public. As long as the LibO website is under construction you will find it here: http://www.test.libreoffice.org Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Revamping of OO APIs
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:52:16 +0530, Marc-André Laverdière wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I found out in LWN (http://lwn.net/Articles/414051/) that the LO team > was working on "The crufty old virtual object system - deprecated for > ten years - is being removed." > > From what I understand, that means revamping the API for developers. Am > I right? No, this is internal implementation stuff, not public API. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own "LibreOfficeFont"
Hi Mirek, On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Mirek M. wrote: > > [] > I think a better solution would be to: > a) offer to download and install missing open-source fonts (using > open-source fonts would be an advantage here): quick mockup at > http://clickortap.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/citrus-question.png > b) replace fonts with fonts the same typeface (serif, sans-serif, mono) and > as similar metrics as possible (this might already be the current way of > doing things) Good points, and a great idea! However, it would require LibO to keep some kind of record of known open source fonts somewhere - most likely locally with links to online sources. That wouldn't be a problem with commonly known fonts, but I don't know if there is a universal directory of open source fonts out there - more likely they are scattered around various sources which makes things a bit more difficult :(. As a UI/UX suggestion though, I think it's worth looking into. Regards, Ivan. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Revamping of OO APIs
Hello everyone, I found out in LWN (http://lwn.net/Articles/414051/) that the LO team was working on "The crufty old virtual object system - deprecated for ten years - is being removed." >From what I understand, that means revamping the API for developers. Am I right? I have a requirement to integrate my solution with OO. Frankly, I'd rather go for LO because a) LO is truer open source b) LO is (in my opinion) going to be the de-facto standard ODF editor suite in the future and c) OO's API are a pain to even _look_ at. This article is a month old. So, I wanted to know how far ahead in this revamping effort we are, and how much more work is needed until we have a stable API to code with. Thanks and regards, -- Marc-André Laverdière Software Security Scientist Innovation Labs, Tata Consultancy Services Hyderabad, India -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: It is possible to use Mac's service in Libreoffice
Hi Jih-Yao, Le 07/12/10 09:05, Jih-Yao Lin a écrit : > I need to use Mac's service in Libreoffice to communicate with other > applications in Mac. > > But, now these service seems to be dead. What exactly do you mean ? I can see the menu entry "Services" under the main LibreOffice menu when I start LibO 3.3rc1 EN-US. I also have access to the Preferences submenu of the Services menu. Do you not see these entries ? Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi, :-) On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:19, Marc Paré wrote: > I would like people to hold off for another week. David seems to have some > ideas about what he would like to do with the site and its contents. I can > help. > > The biggest problem with adding the content, IMO, is that there was no group > organisation and dividing up of tasks. If this is done, the content would go > up quicker. David seems to have taken the lead and I can help out. I am currently liaising with Italo Vignoli, so that we get the content really right. Thanks for your support on this, Marc. ;-) We're going to get this site on the road really quickly now. David Nelson On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:19, Marc Paré wrote: > I would like people to hold off for another week. David seems to have some > ideas about what he would like to do with the site and its contents. I can > help. > > The biggest problem with adding the content, IMO, is that there was no group > organisation and dividing up of tasks. If this is done, the content would go > up quicker. David seems to have taken the lead and I can help out. > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] portable version
I know of a site that does portable apps for windows. Seeing how to do it there you might be able to get an idea of how things need to be done to make it portable on other operating systems. the site is http://portableapps.com/ On 12/8/10 10:53 AM, Thomas Hofmann wrote: Hello all, I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too? Did anybody know something about a portable version? Is it this difficult to setup one? best greetings, Thomas -- --[ Thomas Hofmann, Dorfen, tho...@th-o.de ]-- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] portable version
Hello all, I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too? Did anybody know something about a portable version? Is it this difficult to setup one? best greetings, Thomas -- --[ Thomas Hofmann, Dorfen, tho...@th-o.de ]-- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
"Stefan Weigel" wrote in message news:4cff5031.6000...@bildungskreis.org... Hi, (I am redirecting this to the website mailing list.) Am 08.12.2010 08:36, schrieb Sebastian Spaeth: I bet the content of the static site would be rpelicated within a day, and improving the live site would be much more motivating than playing with something that has *test* in its name :) By "static site" you mean http://www.documentfoundation.org ? By "live site" you mean http://www.libreoffice.org ? These two links point at the same place. ??? -- Harold Fuchs London, England -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi, (I am redirecting this to the website mailing list.) Am 08.12.2010 08:36, schrieb Sebastian Spaeth: > I bet the content of the static site would be rpelicated within a day, > and improving the live site would be much more motivating than playing > with something that has *test* in its name :) By "static site" you mean http://www.documentfoundation.org ? By "live site" you mean http://www.libreoffice.org ? Yes? Please, please, please, nobody please replicate the content from the static site on the live site. Again: documentfoundation.org is about TDF libreoffice.org is about the software There sure will be links from one to the other. But both sites have different focus, different target and different content. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications
Accusé de réception Votre Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications document : a été philippe.vi...@cnieg.fr reçu par : le : 08/12/2010 09:02:42 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
