Re: [tdf-discuss] Mirrors : Australia.

[Laurence Jeloudev]

I'll see if I have the time to contact telstra about it. And see if
they can agree or aarnet.

Laurence Jeloudev
ljelou...@gmail.com

On 20/05/2011, at 9:52, Jean Hollis Weber  wrote:

> On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 20:24 +1000, Laurence Jeloudev wrote:
>> Speaking about mirrors Libreoffice should be able to have a mirror on
>> mirror.aarnet.edu.au as it is unmetered for Telstra customers in
>> Australia and open-office has one as well. Another benefit is that it
>> is very fast for customers in Australia or New Zealand to get
>> libreoffice.
>
>
> One on iinet (my ISP) would be good too, for the same reason: unmetered.
> (I get Ubuntu and various other programs and updates through iinet's
> "Freezone", which also has a lot of other linux distros among other
> things.)
>
> I wonder what needs to be done to get iinet to agree to a mirror? I'll
> try to find out, but I may not find the time very soon to pursue this.
>
> --Jean
>
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[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

[plino]

> There are *millions* of users that are still using WinXP and older
> versions of MS Office (think schools, libraries, individuals, small
> companies, government offices, etc). Granted the ideal situation would
> be to have all of them install LO, but we know: 1) that just isn't going
> to happen, 2) and even if they do install LO, they are not going to
> purge their existing versions of MS Office... it just doesn't work that
> way.
>
> An ODF plugin (like the Sun ODF Plugin) could go a long way in gaining
> trust for existing MS Office users, particularly if it does an LO
> splashscreen when starting as the Sun one does. However, I also imagine
> that creating/converting/maintaining such a program would be a huge
> amount of effort/work. So I doubt that it will happen on LO's watch &
> think it possible only with the backing of a major ($$$) corporation
> such as IBM or similar.
>


I have the same feeling that there are millions of users of older MS Office
versions but I can't find any statistics to support this...

Actually it might be easier to simply send the ODT file and recommend users
to get Softmaker's free viewer (http://www.officeviewers.com/) which
supports doc, docx and odt (among others) and is just a 4Mb download.
Unfortunately to open a spreadsheet it would require an extra 4Mb and it
would support xls and xlsx but curiously not ods...

IBM already as a OpenOffice based free office suite named IBM Lotus Symphony
(which curiously has worse support for Lotus files than LibreOffice :lol:)

It would be fantastic if these two projects could co-operate (hint to TDF SC
members ;) )


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[tdf-discuss] Any wikipedia members/contributors here?

[NoOp]

If you are a wikipedia member/contributor, perhaps you can have a look at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_OpenDocument_software

No mention of LibreOffice.

However, before updating the page, be aware of:

[ODF format validity]
(read the entire thread - including the 'Continue reading' bits)
Or, try to look up the thread on:
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/
(good luck with that)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Mirrors : Australia.

[Jean Hollis Weber]

On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 20:24 +1000, Laurence Jeloudev wrote:
> Speaking about mirrors Libreoffice should be able to have a mirror on
> mirror.aarnet.edu.au as it is unmetered for Telstra customers in
> Australia and open-office has one as well. Another benefit is that it
> is very fast for customers in Australia or New Zealand to get
> libreoffice.


One on iinet (my ISP) would be good too, for the same reason: unmetered.
(I get Ubuntu and various other programs and updates through iinet's
"Freezone", which also has a lot of other linux distros among other
things.) 

I wonder what needs to be done to get iinet to agree to a mirror? I'll
try to find out, but I may not find the time very soon to pursue this.

--Jean


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[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

[NoOp]

On 05/19/2011 11:03 AM, Andras Timar wrote:
> 2011/5/19 plino :
>>
>> Then I think it's time to create a proper C/C++ ODF importer for Word. If
>> this worked properly then this would be a further step in promoting ODF as a
>> "de facto" open format alternative.
>>
> 
> ODF support is present in MS Office 2007 SP2 and MS Office 2010 (it
> even can be selected as default file format) so what would be your
> target? MS Office 2003 and older? It does not look reasonable to me,
> because by the time we develop something useable, only a minority of
> users will use such old versions of MS Office.

I think you should keep in mind that many users of LO are folks that
simply can't, or won't spend the money to buy Office 2007 (and hence
also need to spend even more money to upgrade their systems in order to
use it).

There are *millions* of users that are still using WinXP and older
versions of MS Office (think schools, libraries, individuals, small
companies, government offices, etc). Granted the ideal situation would
be to have all of them install LO, but we know: 1) that just isn't going
to happen, 2) and even if they do install LO, they are not going to
purge their existing versions of MS Office... it just doesn't work that way.

An ODF plugin (like the Sun ODF Plugin) could go a long way in gaining
trust for existing MS Office users, particularly if it does an LO
splashscreen when starting as the Sun one does. However, I also imagine
that creating/converting/maintaining such a program would be a huge
amount of effort/work. So I doubt that it will happen on LO's watch &
think it possible only with the backing of a major ($$$) corporation
such as IBM or similar.




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[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

[NoOp]

On 05/19/2011 03:11 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 14:18 -0700, plino wrote:
>> Hi Jean
>> 
>> The free version of the Sun ODF Plugin is still available and I often
>> > recommend it to the many people I know who are still using MSO 2000, XP,
>> > or 
>> > 2003.
>> >
>> 
>> But it's a 75Mb download... It's half LO installer :)
>> 
>> The Open Source Add-in I mentioned is 4.5Mb (it does require .Net 2.0 SP1
>> but most Windows PCs already have this, even on Windows XP)
>> 
>> I didn't try the Sun plugin but if it is as fast and efficient as the Open
>> Source version I wouldn't it recommend to a friend ;)
> 
> 
> All reports I've heard on it say the Sun plugin worked well, unlike the
> "Open Source Add-in" which, from what I've heard, did a very poor job of
> conversion in many cases. I don't have the time or energy to look up
> those reports, but I think at least one was by Rob Weir.
> 
> That said, the Sun ODF Plugin is old enough that it may not deal with
> some of the newer features in OOo/LibO. And I agree, the file size is a
> disincentive.
> 
> --Jean

Actually it works pretty well with Office 2003 & LO 3.4.0B5 & yes it is
a large program. However my copies are from Sun that I obtained with a
Sun account. Given that Oracle changed it to a non-free offering (same
program) when last offered, I have to wonder if the Softpedia version is
actually a legal copy.

Another I found, but have not tried:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooo-word-filter/






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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

[Jean Hollis Weber]

On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 14:18 -0700, plino wrote:
> Hi Jean
> 
> The free version of the Sun ODF Plugin is still available and I often
> > recommend it to the many people I know who are still using MSO 2000, XP,
> > or 
> > 2003.
> >
> 
> But it's a 75Mb download... It's half LO installer :)
> 
> The Open Source Add-in I mentioned is 4.5Mb (it does require .Net 2.0 SP1
> but most Windows PCs already have this, even on Windows XP)
> 
> I didn't try the Sun plugin but if it is as fast and efficient as the Open
> Source version I wouldn't it recommend to a friend ;)


All reports I've heard on it say the Sun plugin worked well, unlike the
"Open Source Add-in" which, from what I've heard, did a very poor job of
conversion in many cases. I don't have the time or energy to look up
those reports, but I think at least one was by Rob Weir.

That said, the Sun ODF Plugin is old enough that it may not deal with
some of the newer features in OOo/LibO. And I agree, the file size is a
disincentive.

--Jean


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[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

[plino]

Hi Jean

The free version of the Sun ODF Plugin is still available and I often
> recommend it to the many people I know who are still using MSO 2000, XP,
> or 
> 2003.
>

But it's a 75Mb download... It's half LO installer :)

The Open Source Add-in I mentioned is 4.5Mb (it does require .Net 2.0 SP1
but most Windows PCs already have this, even on Windows XP)

I didn't try the Sun plugin but if it is as fast and efficient as the Open
Source version I wouldn't it recommend to a friend ;)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

[Jean Hollis Weber]

On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 10:51 -0700, NoOp wrote:
> Given that Oracle has tossed OOo back over the fence, I wonder if that
> also includes the Sun ODF Plugin... the one they first offered for free,
> and then changed to a purchase. If so, then that might be worth salvaging.


The free version of the Sun ODF Plugin is still available and I often
recommend it to the many people I know who are still using MSO 2000, XP,
or 2003.

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Office-tools/Other-Office-Tools/Sun-ODF-Plugin-for-Microsoft-Office.shtml


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

[Jaime R. Garza]

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 20:22, plino  wrote:

> > ODF support is present in MS Office 2007 SP2 and MS Office 2010 (it
> > even can be selected as default file format) so what would be your
> > target?
>
>
> MS Office 2003 and older? It does not look reasonable to me,
> > because by the time we develop something useable, only a minority of
> > users will use such old versions of MS Office.
> >
>
> I didn't know that. I'm still a Office 2003 user (and don't intend to
> switch
> to a newer version)
> The famous "ribbon" interface just wasted my time. That is why I love that
> LO has a menu interface PLUS Office 2007/2010 format support (for those
> colleagues who insist on having the latest...) and 1 million lines in Calc
> :)
>
> Forget all I said about ODF Add-ons. Even if the Office 2003 user base is
> large enough now (MS never reveals these numbers, do they? :) ) I agree
> that
> it would not make sense to start such a project now for a product that will
> be unsupported soon (ish... in 2014).
>
> Please concentrate on the updates then :)
>
> Cheers,
> Pedro


I have said it several times, LO should make a light version with Write,
Calc & Presentation ONLY that is available for all platforms including
Androids, iPhones & iPads. There ODF could win a lot of momentum, for the
moment Thinkfree is getting it write, saddly it is a proprietary SW.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Java Support to Stay or Not?

[Martin Harris]

Christian,

Your first comment really was a cheap shot and certainly not becoming the
professionalism that should exist on this mail-list and the Document
Foundation as a whole. I know I might be less apt to ask a question for fear
of being ridiculed.

Martin.
An innocent bystander




On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Christian Lohmaier <
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi Marc-André, *,
>
> 2011/5/19 Marc-André Laverdière :
> > I've read somewhere
>
> If you cannot even remember where you read it, that source is not very
> reliable, is it?
>
> > that there is discussion on ditching support for
> > Java in LO. Is this true?
>
> No, this is not true. There are no plans whatsoever to drop support for
> java.
>
> >Is there a decision taken the matter?
>
> What is a goal is to reduce the requirement of java for functionality
> of shipped-by-default stuff. I.e. remove java-requirement for the
> wizards or fulltext search in help.
>
> Just don't believe anything you read at random places in the web.
>
> ciao
> Christian
>
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[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

[plino]

> ODF support is present in MS Office 2007 SP2 and MS Office 2010 (it
> even can be selected as default file format) so what would be your
> target?


MS Office 2003 and older? It does not look reasonable to me,
> because by the time we develop something useable, only a minority of
> users will use such old versions of MS Office.
>

I didn't know that. I'm still a Office 2003 user (and don't intend to switch
to a newer version)
The famous "ribbon" interface just wasted my time. That is why I love that
LO has a menu interface PLUS Office 2007/2010 format support (for those
colleagues who insist on having the latest...) and 1 million lines in Calc
:)

Forget all I said about ODF Add-ons. Even if the Office 2003 user base is
large enough now (MS never reveals these numbers, do they? :) ) I agree that
it would not make sense to start such a project now for a product that will
be unsupported soon (ish... in 2014).

Please concentrate on the updates then :)

Cheers,
Pedro


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

[Andras Timar]

2011/5/19 plino :
>
> Then I think it's time to create a proper C/C++ ODF importer for Word. If
> this worked properly then this would be a further step in promoting ODF as a
> "de facto" open format alternative.
>

ODF support is present in MS Office 2007 SP2 and MS Office 2010 (it
even can be selected as default file format) so what would be your
target? MS Office 2003 and older? It does not look reasonable to me,
because by the time we develop something useable, only a minority of
users will use such old versions of MS Office.

Regards,
Andras

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[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

[NoOp]

On 05/19/2011 10:23 AM, plino wrote:
> Hi Tor
> 
> Please no. We who have had to look at that codebase and even fix some
>> problems
>> in it are glad that it is abandoned. It is a huge unmaintainable pile of
>> XSLT,
>> and then some silly C# code around that.
>>
> 
> (snip)
> 
> 
>> Furthermore, this allegedly Open Source project (hosted on soureforge)
>> includes
>> (for the benefit of its use as a plug-in to MS Office; not relevant when
>> used
>> from OOo) some binary bits with unclear (IANAL) redistribution license.
>> Fun.
>>
> 
> Then I think it's time to create a proper C/C++ ODF importer for Word. If
> this worked properly then this would be a further step in promoting ODF as a
> "de facto" open format alternative.
...
Given that Oracle has tossed OOo back over the fence, I wonder if that
also includes the Sun ODF Plugin... the one they first offered for free,
and then changed to a purchase. If so, then that might be worth salvaging.






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[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

[plino]

Hi Tor

Please no. We who have had to look at that codebase and even fix some
> problems
> in it are glad that it is abandoned. It is a huge unmaintainable pile of
> XSLT,
> and then some silly C# code around that.
>

(snip)


> Furthermore, this allegedly Open Source project (hosted on soureforge)
> includes
> (for the benefit of its use as a plug-in to MS Office; not relevant when
> used
> from OOo) some binary bits with unclear (IANAL) redistribution license.
> Fun.
>

Then I think it's time to create a proper C/C++ ODF importer for Word. If
this worked properly then this would be a further step in promoting ODF as a
"de facto" open format alternative.

If OOo and LO users keep having to convert to MS formats to send a file to
someone else then we are stuck with MS formats...

Obviously it is not an option to say "Hey, you just need to download this
150Mb installer and install this full office suite to open the 17Kb text
file I'm sending" :)

But maybe if there was a smaller, say 5Mb, Add-in for MS Office, that LO
users could suggest MS users to install it might make a difference...

It know this is all pretty obvious and I'm not having any epiphany (and
please don't ask me to start coding it because I can't and I KNOW LO is
short on developer time, Michael)

But this is indeed a major obstacle for LO and ODF wider usage (the other
major obstacle are the updates :) )


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[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

[Tor Lillqvist]

plino  gmail.com> writes:

> From my limited knowledge I would say the ODF add-in is still open source
> (but seems to be abandoned).
> 
> http://odf-converter.sourceforge.net/
> 
> In my opinion it would be strategic to TDF (in colaboration with OASIS) to
> revive this project.

Please no. We who have had to look at that codebase and even fix some problems
in it are glad that it is abandoned. It is a huge unmaintainable pile of XSLT,
and then some silly C# code around that.

(I don't mean C# is silly as such, I *like* C# very much in general, but the
odf-converter C# code is a bit silly. As to XSLT, I am not an expert, maybe if
one has the right tools it is maintainable, but I certainly don't have any such
tools.)

(And yeah, I know what mentioning C# will cause... To make the flames even
hotter, let me remind you that the odf-converter project was funded by
Microsoft.)

Furthermore, this allegedly Open Source project (hosted on soureforge) includes
(for the benefit of its use as a plug-in to MS Office; not relevant when used
from OOo) some binary bits with unclear (IANAL) redistribution license. Fun.

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Java Support to Stay or Not?

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Thu, 19 May 2011 16:29:35 +0530
Marc-André Laverdière  wrote:

> I've read somewhere that there is discussion on ditching support for
> Java in LO. Is this true?

Absolutely not. There is an effort to get rid of the dependence on Java
for core components, but dropping the support for Java via the UNO-API
is not discussed or even thought about. Java is still one of the
easiest ways to extend LO or to control it remotely.

Best,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Mirrors : Australia.

[Volker Merschmann]

Hi,

2011/5/19 Laurence Jeloudev :
> Speaking about mirrors Libreoffice should be able to have a mirror on
> mirror.aarnet.edu.au as it is unmetered for Telstra customers in
> Australia and open-office has one as well. Another benefit is that it
> is very fast for customers in Australia or New Zealand to get
> libreoffice.
>
The admin of this system can offer a mirror anytime on the
mirrors-mailinglist: mirr...@documentfoundation.org

Thx

Volker

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Java Support to Stay or Not?

[Jean Weber]

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 21:05, Christian Lohmaier
 wrote:
>
> If you cannot even remember where you read it, that source is not very
> reliable, is it?
>

In my case, not remembering where I read something has nothing to do
with how reliable the source is, and everything to do with my poor
memory. ;-)

--Jean

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Java Support to Stay or Not?

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Marc-André, *,

2011/5/19 Marc-André Laverdière :
> I've read somewhere

If you cannot even remember where you read it, that source is not very
reliable, is it?

> that there is discussion on ditching support for
> Java in LO. Is this true?

No, this is not true. There are no plans whatsoever to drop support for java.

>Is there a decision taken the matter?

What is a goal is to reduce the requirement of java for functionality
of shipped-by-default stuff. I.e. remove java-requirement for the
wizards or fulltext search in help.

Just don't believe anything you read at random places in the web.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [steering-discuss] Quo Vadis TDF Development - paid support based model ?

[Italo Vignoli]

On 5/19/11 12:43 PM, Gianluca Turconi wrote:


Italo Vignoli wrote:

TDF has chosen not to provide enterprise support directly, but it will
build - and maintain - an ecosystem where companies of any size will be
able to provide such a support being "certified" (recognized) by TDF. I
am working at this program (unfortunately, it is taking an awful amount
of time for problems not related to TDF).



Again, just to have more info: will it be a *paid* certification?


Yes, we see it as a source of revenues for TDF, in order to fund 
development and other activities, although we must be careful as there 
will be different levels of involvement (and different fees, including 
zero fees for people and companies already contributing to the project 
with activities and developers). Also, several TDF contributors will 
work on the certification process. Difficult task, but challenging for 
everyone, as it is really a chance to define a new business model for 
FOSS projects.


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[tdf-discuss] Java Support to Stay or Not?

[Marc-André Laverdière]

I've read somewhere that there is discussion on ditching support for
Java in LO. Is this true? Is there a decision taken the matter?

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[tdf-discuss] Mirrors : Australia.

[Laurence Jeloudev]

Speaking about mirrors Libreoffice should be able to have a mirror on
mirror.aarnet.edu.au as it is unmetered for Telstra customers in
Australia and open-office has one as well. Another benefit is that it
is very fast for customers in Australia or New Zealand to get
libreoffice.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Observations of LibreOffice and our users..

[Laurence Jeloudev]

I like the idea how google have separated chromium and google chrome.

For mirrors people should be able to have a choice. Or autodetect
closet mirror to them.


Laurence Jeloudev
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On 19/05/2011, at 20:05, Gianluca Turconi  wrote:

> Laurence Jeloudev wrote:
>> I'd exactly agree with these statements libreoffice needs to have a
>> end user understanding not a developer understanding.
>
> I disagree.
>
> LibreOffice need to have *both*.
>
> Simply we have to channel end users better towards "LibreOffice, the product" 
> and the developers/contributors towards "LibreOffice, the project".
>
> I've several ideas about this but few time to write them down, since I'm 
> already working on another proposal for the project.
>
> Nevertheless, here how I'd like a LibO website reworking:
>
> --
> home page:
>
> [short description of what LibO, the software, is]
> 3 huge buttons: [Download] [Find Support] [Contribute]
> [short description of what TDF, the foundation, is]
>
> Then, under [Find Support]:
>
> [*all* support mailing list *with* @libreoffice.org suffix]
>
> [any other external and independent support system]
>
> Finally, under [Contribute], other 3 huge buttons:
>
> [Contribute money] -> Fund raising
>
> [Contribute your skills and time] -> a central employment system that I'm 
> just now proposing in the projects@@libreoffice.org mailing list.
>
> [Join projects' discussion] -> *all* projects' mailing lists *with* 
> @libreoffice.org + other external and independent resources.
> --
>
> Of course, the idea lacks a lot of details that must be included 
> (documentation, mirrors, source code...) and above all I've no data about 
> LibO statistics of what pages are more accessed by web users.
>
> It's just an idea, for the time being.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gianluca
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Re: [steering-discuss] Quo Vadis TDF Development - paid support based model ?

[Gianluca Turconi]

Michael Meeks wrote:

So - it is fairly clear that TDF will not be providing enterprise
support itself - and it is clear that others are/will-be.


Can I ask if this is a choice or a contingent duty related to the legal 
nature of the Foundation in Germany?


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Observations of LibreOffice and our users..

[Gianluca Turconi]

Laurence Jeloudev wrote:

I'd exactly agree with these statements libreoffice needs to have a
end user understanding not a developer understanding.


I disagree.

LibreOffice need to have *both*.

Simply we have to channel end users better towards "LibreOffice, the 
product" and the developers/contributors towards "LibreOffice, the project".


I've several ideas about this but few time to write them down, since I'm 
already working on another proposal for the project.


Nevertheless, here how I'd like a LibO website reworking:

--
home page:

[short description of what LibO, the software, is]
3 huge buttons: [Download] [Find Support] [Contribute]
[short description of what TDF, the foundation, is]

Then, under [Find Support]:

[*all* support mailing list *with* @libreoffice.org suffix]

[any other external and independent support system]

Finally, under [Contribute], other 3 huge buttons:

[Contribute money] -> Fund raising

[Contribute your skills and time] -> a central employment system that 
I'm just now proposing in the projects@@libreoffice.org mailing list.


[Join projects' discussion] -> *all* projects' mailing lists *with* 
@libreoffice.org + other external and independent resources.

--

Of course, the idea lacks a lot of details that must be included 
(documentation, mirrors, source code...) and above all I've no data 
about LibO statistics of what pages are more accessed by web users.


It's just an idea, for the time being.

Regards,

Gianluca
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Question

[Irmhild Rogalla]

hi Marius

Am 19.05.2011 09:57, schrieb Marius Popa:

It is Marius Popa again, with a new question.What should I do to set all the
pages in a document to have the same size? Thanks in advance and I am
looking forward for your message.


Questions like yours you ask better at our users list (see: 
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/) - their you'll get (more) help.


For size settings for pages for the whole document you should use the 
style sheet for pages. There you'll find the necessary settings.
Another possibility (I don't know, what's your aim) are the printer 
settings.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Observations of LibreOffice and our users..

[Steve Edmonds]

I agree here too.
I can manage to find and install what I need and my friends/family need
of LO so I have no problems.
I think target the non-technical masses, like firefox. LO 3.3.2 is
pretty much up to speed and it seems 3.4 will be suitable for prime time.
May be now is the time to step into the limelight.
steve

On 19/05/11 16:46, Xing Li wrote:
> Hi, I'm the administrator for FanFiction.Net and FictionPress.com and
> we have always pushed openoffice and now
> libreoffice to our users. However, we would like to give you guys some
> feedbacks from our users regarding the
> perception of libreoffice.
>
> 1) Our members are mostly non-techy and heavy users of word processing 
> features.
> 2A) Some members falsely believe we are profiting off somehow from
> this LibreOffice download.
> 2B) Some members have false perception of LibreOffice somehow paying
> us to put a link to your site.
> 3) (2) shows that LibreOffice is a new name with not a widely accepted
> recognition in the non-tech world.
> 4) Overall, it's leading to lower adoption that I would like and a
> general false perception that I did not see with OpenOffice.
>
> Recommendations:
>
> Please retool the Libreoffice site just a little with more emphasis on
> the following:
>
> 1) "Abouse US" should not be last item in the menu. LibreOffice has a
> branding problem and it should be first or second in
> terms of prioity on the menu.
> 2) Make the site and especially the download page, which most of us
> link to, more consumer and not project centric.
> Right now, the whole site looks very business/corporate like.
> 3) Emphasis "Non-Profit" much more. So that new users can
> differentiate "free" vs "non-profit". There are
> lots of free software out there that have commerical tie-ins and
> LibreOffice needs to give more thoughts to this.
>
> For example the first sentence of About US page is:
>
> "LibreOffice is community-driven and developed software which is a
> project of the not-for-profit organization, The Document Foundation."
>
> Why is "not-for-profit" the last thought of the sentence? Also no
> mention of free either. This sentence is written for developers and
> not end-users
> which is a oversight. Target the end-users first. Developers are smart
> enough to know who you guys are already.
>
> Maybe I'm being too detailed here but overall, I would like
> LibreOffice to do a better job of presenting itself via the website as
> a free end-user, consumer friendly software from an non-profit entity.
>
> It's more about presentations of LibreOffice to the end-user to give
> them a comfortable feeling when they visit the site for the first
> time. The download page is needlessly too complicated for end-users.
> Don't list sdk or source code builds. End-users have no idea what they
> are. Perhaps have a "end-user/consumer"-centric main site and a
> separate dev.libreoffice.org site.
>
> I would recommend a similar approach as taken by sites such as
> www.getfirefox.com or www.google.com/chrome.  Just give them one
> download link, one logo, one line intro to what it is and that is
> free, plus a friendly graphics and then a link to find out more if
> they want to.
>
> Just some suggestions. I love the software and would like to help it
> spread like summer weed. =)
>
> Regards,
>
> Xing
>
>   

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[tdf-discuss] Question

[Marius Popa]

It is Marius Popa again, with a new question.What should I do to set all the
pages in a document to have the same size? Thanks in advance and I am
looking forward for your message.

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