[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-design] Templates, styles, outline and bullets/numbering

[Steve Edmonds]

On 30/04/11 4:18 AM, RGB ES wrote:

2011/4/29 Greg:

2011/4/28 Greg:

Hi,

I believe Writer's template, style, outline and numbering facilities are
in need of a rethink. The areas I think are weak, and this is by no
means a full list, are:
- The template organiser dialogue - who knows how to use it and what it's
really for?
- Style management - setting defaults, selecting style-sheets with some
idea of the stylistic/visual impact, changing styles
- Style usage - must become solid, robust and consistent. The
impossibility of getting working single type or mixed type (numbered or
bulletted) outline lists must be solved! At the moment, there seem to be
three or four ways to control list hierarchies and only some (or one)
  of them work. They are using the tab key, using the increase/decrease
indent button, using the list or numbering styles or using the bullets
and numbering's outline view. They each break the others in an
unpredictable way!

I think the user stories that press on the issues are something like:

1/ As a document writer, I want to ensure my document is easy to read
because all the paragraphs, headers and lists are consistent in their
style and outline level, according to their position in the document
hierarchy.

You can probably tell from this that I think we should strive to make
styles and outline levels so easy to use (while not diminishing their
full capabilities) that users predominantly use styles and not the
ad-hoc editing methods that render most docs inconsistent and difficult
to read.

2/ As a document writer, I want to be able to very easily select a
style-sheet to change the look of my document, so I have a good idea of
how the new style- sheet will look before I select it and I should not
have to do much custom editing to get a style I like.

3/As a style-sheet writer or modifier, I want to see a style-sheet view
of the world, that shows the hierarchy of styles and their setting
inheritance and overrides, so that I can easily build and maintain a
simple and logical style- sheet

e.g. style settings inheritance and override hierarchy (This indented
text illustrates the hierarchy, not a design ;o)

-- Default (All settings, including outline levels)
--Paragraph text (overridden or new settings)
--Heading (overridden or new settings)
--Heading1 (overridden or new settings)
--Heading2 (overridden or new settings)
--Heading3 (overridden or new settings)
--Header (overridden or new settings)
--FirstPageHeader (overridden or new settings)
--LeftHeader (overridden or new settings)
--RightHeader (overridden or new settings)
--Footer (overridden or new settings)
--FirstPageFooter (overridden or new settings)
--LeftFooter (overridden or new settings)
--RightFooter (overridden or new settings)
--List (overridden or new settings)
--BulletList1 (overridden or new settings)
--NumberList1 (overridden or new settings)
--BulletList2 (overridden or new settings)
--NumberList2 (overridden or new settings)
--BulletList3 (overridden or new settings)
--NumberList3 (overridden or new settings)

4/As a style-sheet writer or modifier, I want to lock a style-sheet to a
document template, so that only that style-sheet can be used, so the
documents produced are consistent.

(personally, I'd like to see a way to lock out custom edits for selected
doc templates too, for complete document consistency and compatibility -
this is especially powerful for collaboratively authored docs)

Aside from the implicated UI redesign, I think an extensive and
professional set of style-sheets would greatly help matters.

Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Greg

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At first I though that when you said "style sheets" you were talking
about templates... but you also use the word template. What do you
refer as "style sheet"?

I've never had problems with numbered lists (I mean, once I understood
how they work...), but I agree that they are not clear at all.
Most users I've seen tend to confuse numbered lists with outline
numbering, so a better distinction is needed.

Then you can't have pushed them much. As I said before "At the moment, there
seem to be three or four ways to control list hierarchies and only some (or
one) of them work. They are using the tab key, using the increase/decrease
indent button, using the list or numbering

Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF fundraising suggestion - Bitcoin

[Denis Kasak]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 03:34, Ben McGinnes  wrote:
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> Hello,
>        At Florian's recommendation I am posting this to the list for
> discussion.
>
> The fund raising effort by The Document Foundation recently has been
> quite remarkable and no doubt it will continue in this vein.  My
> little suggestion is intended to change or remove nothing from the
> current state of affairs, merely to add an option to the usual array
> of financial options of credit cards, PayPal, cheques and bank
> transfers.  The suggestion is, as the subject line indicates, that TDF
> consider adding a Bitcoin address for accepting donations.



> So ... thoughts, opinions?
>
>
> Regards,
> Ben

For what it's worth (as I have been a lurker on the list so far :-P),
I think this is a good idea. As you mention, the costs of
implementation are very low and it could definitely improve TDF's
revenue since there are many people who are interested in Bitcoin
succeeding and would consider donating just because of that. The large
overlap of that mindset with the FOSS one coupled with the ease of
making a transaction are also a large plus.

Hopefully this post will bump the thread a bit so someone with real
voting power can chime in! :-)

Regards,

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Denis Kasak

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Any wikipedia members/contributors here?

[NoOp]

On 05/21/2011 11:04 AM, Robert Derman wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 05/19/2011 05:18 PM, NoOp wrote:
>>   
>>> If you are a wikipedia member/contributor, perhaps you can have a look at:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_OpenDocument_software
>>>
>>> No mention of LibreOffice.
> Appearantly that is no longer the case.  It is promanently mentioned as 
> of now 5/21/11.
> 

That's why I added the part that you snipped:
> Thanks Dubyus:
> 
That page shows where 'Dubyus' went in and added it on the 20th...



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Re: [tdf-discuss] [Call for help] Native English speaker needed for proofreading a LibO tool draft proposal

[Richard]

Hello again,

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Gianluca Turconi <
pub...@letturefantastiche.com> wrote:

> Hola Richard,
>
> In data 22 maggio 2011 alle ore 04:49:20, Richard 
> ha scritto:
>
>
>  Hola Gianluca,
>> I made some minor edits and proofread the atricle.
>> Richard.
>>
>
> Yesterday, I forgot saying It's nice to see you here too. :-)
>

Yes, nice to see you back again.

>
> Thanks a lot for your revision.
>
> BTW, what do you think about the proposal?
>

It is ambitious. If it develops as outlined, it should help to avoid
duplication of effort.
Give it time. And let it grow.

regards,
Richard.


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