[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[Marc Paré]

Le 2011-10-30 20:15, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :

Um, lest I confuse everyone:  After the English language forum, the French and 
then the Spanish language forums are the next most active in terms of 
registered users and other statistics.  The remainder are in the 1,000-2,000 
range and then Vietnamese is the smallest.  I don't have figures for the 
independent German language Forum.  I'm confident it would create a top 4.

  - Dennis


Thanks for the info Dennis.

Cheers,

Marc


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RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Um, lest I confuse everyone:  After the English language forum, the French and 
then the Spanish language forums are the next most active in terms of 
registered users and other statistics.  The remainder are in the 1,000-2,000 
range and then Vietnamese is the smallest.  I don't have figures for the 
independent German language Forum.  I'm confident it would create a top 4.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] 
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 15:14
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

I have no desire to get in the middle of this.  

I do have some interesting statistics gleaned from the current OpenOffice.org 
Forums for another purpose earlier today.  Here is something about the scale 
and level of interest that exists even now, independent of the current status 
of releases and available downloads from whatever sources:

   There are 10 OpenOffice.org Community Forums, each for one of 10 supported 
languages:

   English, Spanish, French, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Dutch, Polish, 
Vietnamese, and Chinese.

   Each forum is operated in its own language with administrators, moderators, 
and volunteers that operate in mixes of those native languages.

   Going to the English Forums just now, I saw these statistics:

   Users on-line right now: 158 of which 9 are registered.  The record at one 
time is 362, and that was on Monday 2011-10-17 at 14:30 UTC.  (I am surprised 
that it was so recent.  And 5 of the registered users are Bots from Google, 
MSN, and Yahoo!)

   Total posts to the forum: 199,458
   Total threads (topics): 40,466
   Total registered users: 45,008
  [registered users are like committers in the Apache sense: they can submit 
posts and comments and they don't require permission to do it.]

   The English language forum is the largest, the Vietnamese language one is 
the smallest, with 163 registered users.

   French is the next most-active, followed by Spanish.  Forums for the 
remaining languages have between 1 and 2 thousand registered users each.

NOTE: There is no German Language Forum at OpenOffice.org.  I am told there is 
one elsewhere.  It hasn't had my attention.

-Original Message-
From: charles.h.sch...@gmail.com [mailto:charles.h.sch...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Charles-H. Schulz
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 07:11
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

hehe, yes, sometimes. Although believing is a matter of opinion, while
Faith does (usually) not require eyes . It should be also said that I am
myself a very rare forum user, but, just like the fact that I'm running
Arch Linux, I also ackowledge the fact that some people use different
software and ways...

best,
Charles.


Le 30/10/2011 14:40, Marc-André Laverdière a écrit :
> Seeing is believing sometimes...
> 
> On 30 Oct 2011 08:50, "Charles-H. Schulz" <
> charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> 
> Well, it turns out many people seem to want to use forums, and most of
> them are not technical, they are end users so I don't expect they have
> the same needs as developers. I just assume there's no fundamental truth
> in either mailing list or forums usage...
> 
> Best,
> Charles.
> 
> 
> Le 30/10/2011 13:42, Marc-André Laverdière a écrit :
> 
>> Who in their right mind want forums?
>>
>> If you want exchange of ideas, mailing lists are great. ...
> 


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RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I have no desire to get in the middle of this.  

I do have some interesting statistics gleaned from the current OpenOffice.org 
Forums for another purpose earlier today.  Here is something about the scale 
and level of interest that exists even now, independent of the current status 
of releases and available downloads from whatever sources:

   There are 10 OpenOffice.org Community Forums, each for one of 10 supported 
languages:

   English, Spanish, French, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Dutch, Polish, 
Vietnamese, and Chinese.

   Each forum is operated in its own language with administrators, moderators, 
and volunteers that operate in mixes of those native languages.

   Going to the English Forums just now, I saw these statistics:

   Users on-line right now: 158 of which 9 are registered.  The record at one 
time is 362, and that was on Monday 2011-10-17 at 14:30 UTC.  (I am surprised 
that it was so recent.  And 5 of the registered users are Bots from Google, 
MSN, and Yahoo!)

   Total posts to the forum: 199,458
   Total threads (topics): 40,466
   Total registered users: 45,008
  [registered users are like committers in the Apache sense: they can submit 
posts and comments and they don't require permission to do it.]

   The English language forum is the largest, the Vietnamese language one is 
the smallest, with 163 registered users.

   French is the next most-active, followed by Spanish.  Forums for the 
remaining languages have between 1 and 2 thousand registered users each.

NOTE: There is no German Language Forum at OpenOffice.org.  I am told there is 
one elsewhere.  It hasn't had my attention.

-Original Message-
From: charles.h.sch...@gmail.com [mailto:charles.h.sch...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Charles-H. Schulz
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 07:11
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

hehe, yes, sometimes. Although believing is a matter of opinion, while
Faith does (usually) not require eyes . It should be also said that I am
myself a very rare forum user, but, just like the fact that I'm running
Arch Linux, I also ackowledge the fact that some people use different
software and ways...

best,
Charles.


Le 30/10/2011 14:40, Marc-André Laverdière a écrit :
> Seeing is believing sometimes...
> 
> On 30 Oct 2011 08:50, "Charles-H. Schulz" <
> charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> 
> Well, it turns out many people seem to want to use forums, and most of
> them are not technical, they are end users so I don't expect they have
> the same needs as developers. I just assume there's no fundamental truth
> in either mailing list or forums usage...
> 
> Best,
> Charles.
> 
> 
> Le 30/10/2011 13:42, Marc-André Laverdière a écrit :
> 
>> Who in their right mind want forums?
>>
>> If you want exchange of ideas, mailing lists are great. ...
> 


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[Marc-André Laverdière]

+1 for open id.
Sorry for the extra email... my phone's touch screen is a bit off
sometimes.

On 30 Oct 2011 13:49, "Marc Paré"  wrote:

Le 2011-10-30 11:40, Florian Effenberger a écrit :


>
> Single sign-on is indeed something I'd like to see soon, but there are
> no concrete plans as o...
OpenId is the option that users would be most familiar, there are many
sites using it. Doing LDAP would not be familiar at all.

Marc




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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[Marc-André Laverdière]

+

On 30 Oct 2011 13:49, "Marc Paré"  wrote:

Le 2011-10-30 11:40, Florian Effenberger a écrit :


>
> Single sign-on is indeed something I'd like to see soon, but there are
> no concrete plans as o...
OpenId is the option that users would be most familiar, there are many
sites using it. Doing LDAP would not be familiar at all.

Marc




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[tdf-discuss] Status quo on the Foundation, October 2011

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

It has been a while since I have blogged about the Foundation status, 
but the Steering Committee have been very active on this topic in the 
meantime. Now that we are handing over to the new Board of Directors, it 
is good to document where we have reached.


First, we are delighted that the elections of the first BoD are now 
official. As promised, the Steering Committee has ceased its existence, 
and the TDF members voted on the new BoD in an open, transparent and 
meritocratic way. Gratifyingly, the Members have elected the core of the 
former Steering Committee onto the Board and I’m thus able to use “we” 
interchangeably in this report! The next election to take place will be 
the one of the Membership Committee, so expect an official announcement 
on that soon.


On to the status of incorporation. As previously planned, we approached 
three German federal states, and got very valuable feedback from them. 
One of our three candidates showed very strong support and is most 
likely to be the final location for The Document Foundation. We don’t 
want to pre-empt any result and therefore will not communicate the 
state’s name in public, but the secret will hopefully be revealed very soon.


We have included many improvements into the legally binding statutes, 
based on extensive input from many sources. We are right now in the 
process of translating the German legalese into English, so our new 
Board of Directors can make a final review. Based on the Board’s 
decision, we will hand over the documents to the authorities and hope 
for a positive reply. As soon as we receive that, the legal setup of the 
Foundation will be started and we will finally be incorporated.


We’d like to take the chance to respond to some questions on the process 
of legally establishing our entity. It has indeed taken much longer than 
we had initially expected, and we have to admit that our estimation on 
the necessary timeframe was wrong. However, the whole lengthy process 
has been educational and has led to a much more considered outcome. 
Together with the community, we have worked extensively on bylaws we 
wanted to have reflected in the legal entity of the Foundation.


In contrast to the the former model of having a single corporate sponsor 
– and different to what many other legal vehicles could provide – the 
Foundation we are creating guarantees endurance, safety and stability 
for the whole community, both for end-users and for private as well as 
corporate contributors. It also gives the community very strong rights. 
While previously – legally speaking – any community rules were 
arbitrary, the rights given to community members in this new model are 
not only binding, but legally enforceable by every single member.


Again: The rights we promised will be legally binding and enforceable by 
our members. There are not many – if any at all – communities giving 
such strong rights to their members.  Creating such an intentionally 
durable and strong structure from the beginning is uncommon and we found 
that this has been something innovative and new for our advisors as well 
as the authorities, which has led to the slow progress we’ve encountered.


We invested lots of time to express fundamental and legally binding 
rights for our community and that task has admittedly proved enormous. 
But the time invested so far is justified by the goals we wanted to 
achieve from day one – an open, transparent and meritocratic 
organization, independent from any corporate sponsor and designed 
specifically for the purposes of The Document Foundation rather than 
borrowed from elsewhere. We are sure spending this time has been very 
much worth it.


Florian

(Original blogpost with links: 
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/10/30/status-quo-on-the-foundation-october-2011/)


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[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[Marc Paré]

Le 2011-10-30 11:40, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Single sign-on is indeed something I'd like to see soon, but there are
no concrete plans as of now. One option would be OpenID, another one an
LDAP connection - let's see what we can come up with. ;-)

Florian


OpenId is the option that users would be most familiar, there are many 
sites using it. Doing LDAP would not be familiar at all.


Marc


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[Jonathan Aquilina]

On 30/10/2011 16:40, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-10-29 14:55:

If you opt to name one as an official TDF mirror it wont take me a
second to setup a TDF section and LO section for use.


what is the URL of your existing forum, so I can have a look?


I am wondering though if you go for self hosted solution i am wondering
instead of using a seperate user login to login to the forums if one has
an account to edit the wiki lets say can that be used for existing
users, as well as allowing those users who dont edit the wiki to sign up
for an account through the forums and end up as contributors as well for
the wiki if they need it down the road?


Single sign-on is indeed something I'd like to see soon, but there are 
no concrete plans as of now. One option would be OpenID, another one 
an LDAP connection - let's see what we can come up with. ;-)


Florian

http://forums.eagleeyet.net I am actually in the process of adding more 
topics etc. the nice thing i think that i could do which i failed to 
mention if i am unable to host i think then i could backup lets say the 
TDF and LO related sections and hand them over to the foundation itself 
to host.


Regards

Jonathan Aquilina

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[Jonathan Aquilina]

On 30/10/2011 16:40, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-10-29 14:55:

If you opt to name one as an official TDF mirror it wont take me a
second to setup a TDF section and LO section for use.


what is the URL of your existing forum, so I can have a look?


I am wondering though if you go for self hosted solution i am wondering
instead of using a seperate user login to login to the forums if one has
an account to edit the wiki lets say can that be used for existing
users, as well as allowing those users who dont edit the wiki to sign up
for an account through the forums and end up as contributors as well for
the wiki if they need it down the road?


Single sign-on is indeed something I'd like to see soon, but there are 
no concrete plans as of now. One option would be OpenID, another one 
an LDAP connection - let's see what we can come up with. ;-)


Florian

Florian forgot to mention the other part. Currently my forums are read 
only for guests meaning they cant post and registration is required.


Regards

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-10-29 14:55:

If you opt to name one as an official TDF mirror it wont take me a
second to setup a TDF section and LO section for use.


what is the URL of your existing forum, so I can have a look?


I am wondering though if you go for self hosted solution i am wondering
instead of using a seperate user login to login to the forums if one has
an account to edit the wiki lets say can that be used for existing
users, as well as allowing those users who dont edit the wiki to sign up
for an account through the forums and end up as contributors as well for
the wiki if they need it down the road?


Single sign-on is indeed something I'd like to see soon, but there are 
no concrete plans as of now. One option would be OpenID, another one an 
LDAP connection - let's see what we can come up with. ;-)


Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

hehe, yes, sometimes. Although believing is a matter of opinion, while
Faith does (usually) not require eyes . It should be also said that I am
myself a very rare forum user, but, just like the fact that I'm running
Arch Linux, I also ackowledge the fact that some people use different
software and ways...

best,
Charles.


Le 30/10/2011 14:40, Marc-André Laverdière a écrit :
> Seeing is believing sometimes...
> 
> On 30 Oct 2011 08:50, "Charles-H. Schulz" <
> charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> 
> Well, it turns out many people seem to want to use forums, and most of
> them are not technical, they are end users so I don't expect they have
> the same needs as developers. I just assume there's no fundamental truth
> in either mailing list or forums usage...
> 
> Best,
> Charles.
> 
> 
> Le 30/10/2011 13:42, Marc-André Laverdière a écrit :
> 
>> Who in their right mind want forums?
>>
>> If you want exchange of ideas, mailing lists are great. ...
> 


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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Marc-André Laverdière]

Seeing is believing sometimes...

On 30 Oct 2011 08:50, "Charles-H. Schulz" <
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

Well, it turns out many people seem to want to use forums, and most of
them are not technical, they are end users so I don't expect they have
the same needs as developers. I just assume there's no fundamental truth
in either mailing list or forums usage...

Best,
Charles.


Le 30/10/2011 13:42, Marc-André Laverdière a écrit :

> Who in their right mind want forums?
>
> If you want exchange of ideas, mailing lists are great. ...

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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Well, it turns out many people seem to want to use forums, and most of
them are not technical, they are end users so I don't expect they have
the same needs as developers. I just assume there's no fundamental truth
in either mailing list or forums usage...

Best,
Charles.


Le 30/10/2011 13:42, Marc-André Laverdière a écrit :
> Who in their right mind want forums?
> 
> If you want exchange of ideas, mailing lists are great. If you want a
> solution to your problem, Forums just stink. Stack overflow was designed to
> overcome the limitations of old school forums. Why go back?
> 
> Actually, we should think about how to port the old forum stuff to this new
> platform.
> 
> On 30 Oct 2011 07:24, "Charles-H. Schulz" <
> charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> 
> Marc-André,
> 
> This is definitely something I feel we should investigate; but we also
> have people who want forums and who will shun away from Stack Overflow
> and mailing lists...
> 
> Best,
> Charles.
> 
> 
> Le 30/10/2011 11:40, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit :
> 
>> On 30/10/2011 01:27, Marc-André Laverdière wrote:
>>> I know that I am skipping a lot of the back-a...
> 


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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Marc-André Laverdière]

Who in their right mind want forums?

If you want exchange of ideas, mailing lists are great. If you want a
solution to your problem, Forums just stink. Stack overflow was designed to
overcome the limitations of old school forums. Why go back?

Actually, we should think about how to port the old forum stuff to this new
platform.

On 30 Oct 2011 07:24, "Charles-H. Schulz" <
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

Marc-André,

This is definitely something I feel we should investigate; but we also
have people who want forums and who will shun away from Stack Overflow
and mailing lists...

Best,
Charles.


Le 30/10/2011 11:40, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit :

> On 30/10/2011 01:27, Marc-André Laverdière wrote:
>> I know that I am skipping a lot of the back-a...

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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Marc-André,

This is definitely something I feel we should investigate; but we also
have people who want forums and who will shun away from Stack Overflow
and mailing lists...

Best,
Charles.


Le 30/10/2011 11:40, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit :
> On 30/10/2011 01:27, Marc-André Laverdière wrote:
>> I know that I am skipping a lot of the back-and-forth here, but let me
>> point
>> out the elephant in the room...
>>
>> Why forums in the first place?
>>
>> I think that most people on the mailing list know about stack
>> exchange, and
>> how rockin' it is. I think it would bee a) cool and b) a boon to our
>> mutual
>> users to just migrate our forums to stack exchange.
>>
>> I don't know about their pricing, but why not ask?
>>
>> Marc-André LAVERDIÈRE
>> "Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and
>> complete,
>> not lacking anything." -James 1:4
>> http://asimplediscipleslife.blogspot.com/
>> mlaverd.theunixplace.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Cor Nouws  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrea,
>>>
>>> Andrea Pescetti wrote (29-10-11 01:11)
>>>
>>>
>>>   I believe that in general fragmenting support is not a good idea,
>>> unless
 it is really needed.

>>> Me too - though there are some nuances.
>>> I write about this in some other mails.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Jonathan Aquilina]

On 30/10/2011 01:27, Marc-André Laverdière wrote:

I know that I am skipping a lot of the back-and-forth here, but let me point
out the elephant in the room...

Why forums in the first place?

I think that most people on the mailing list know about stack exchange, and
how rockin' it is. I think it would bee a) cool and b) a boon to our mutual
users to just migrate our forums to stack exchange.

I don't know about their pricing, but why not ask?

Marc-André LAVERDIÈRE
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On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Cor Nouws  wrote:


Hi Andrea,

Andrea Pescetti wrote (29-10-11 01:11)


  I believe that in general fragmenting support is not a good idea, unless

it is really needed.


Me too - though there are some nuances.
I write about this in some other mails.

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