Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-23 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello everyone,

2012/1/23 Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org

 Hi,

 Am 23.01.2012 08:32, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

  I just was privately contacted by a third proponent. They tell that
  due to internet connectivity issues during the weekend, they were
  not able to retrieve the CfL, and thus not be able to create a
  proposal in time.

 Sounds a bit strange to me. There was enough time for preparing a
 proposal. I am asking myself, if someone who starts too late,
 without any buffer time for unexpected difficulties, really
 qualifies for organising such a big and complex event.


I think that it is okay to have the third proposal resubmitted for 2013.
Moreover, because we end up with two proposals, we might not even have to
vote (since we have one proposal for each year) and we only need to
prioritize them.

Best,
Charles.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-23 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2012-01-23 09:44:


Moreover, because we end up with two proposals, we might not even have to
vote (since we have one proposal for each year) and we only need to
prioritize them.


both proposal IMHO run for 2012, so we indeed should have a vote on who 
will be the host for this year. ;-)


Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-23 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
2012/1/23 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 Hi,

 Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2012-01-23 09:44:


  Moreover, because we end up with two proposals, we might not even have to
 vote (since we have one proposal for each year) and we only need to
 prioritize them.


 both proposal IMHO run for 2012, so we indeed should have a vote on who
 will be the host for this year. ;-)



hmm... sorry I had not understood that quite important nuance :-) and yes
indeed, it means we must have a vote!

Best,
Charles.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk

2012-01-23 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Pedro,

2012/1/22 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org

 Hello Pedro,

 2012/1/21 Pedro pedl...@gmail.com

 Hi Charles


 Charles-H. Schulz wrote
 
  - if the icon was changed (I don't think it has, my 3.5 beta still has
 the
  floppy icon on the mac) then it means someone provided a replacement
 icon.
 

 It certainly has under Windows.



 Hmm... it does not make sense (not what you say, but what's going on),
 because we don't ship different icons -under the same iconset- on different
 platforms. I do believe you, but would you be so kind as taking a
 screenshot of your screen and post it somewhere (flickr, imgur) as this
 list does not support attachments? I can do that as well on my side.




 Charles-H. Schulz wrote
 
  Again I don't remember it was the case, but changes do not occur though
  discussion, they do occur through effective contribution :-)
 

 Of course discussion without contribution is just a waste of time, but
 contribution without discussion is anarchy, is it not? :)


 Yes and no; the discussion needs to happen on the relevant list or on the
 bugzilla and then, it does not need to take long or every item :-)

 Best,
 Charles.



So the iconset was indeed changed at the Beta 3 (I had the beta 2 running)
and no, it was not well communicated, but the discussion took place on
ux-advise and the design list.

best,
Charles.

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk

2012-01-23 Thread Pedro

Charles-H. Schulz wrote
 
 So the iconset was indeed changed at the Beta 3 (I had the beta 2 running)
 and no, it was not well communicated, but the discussion took place on
 ux-advise and the design list.
 

I also remained (deliberately) on Beta2 in order to test the Update
mechanism. I jumped directly to RC1 (I missed Beta3 because it was only
available officially for 5 days)

Your answer is not very clear: does this mean the icon will change for all
platforms?

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk

2012-01-23 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
2012/1/23 Pedro pedl...@gmail.com


 Charles-H. Schulz wrote
 
  So the iconset was indeed changed at the Beta 3 (I had the beta 2
 running)
  and no, it was not well communicated, but the discussion took place on
  ux-advise and the design list.
 

 I also remained (deliberately) on Beta2 in order to test the Update
 mechanism. I jumped directly to RC1 (I missed Beta3 because it was only
 available officially for 5 days)

 Your answer is not very clear: does this mean the icon will change for all
 platforms?



That would seem to be the case, yes.


best,
Charles


 Regards,
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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-23 Thread Robert Derman

Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hello,

we have received two proposals for this years' LibreOffice Conference 
- thank you very much for your applications!


My proposal for the voting process is as follows:

- I would like to make the proposals public immediately, by uploading 
them to the wiki, and sending out a short notice to announce@tdf


- For the timeline of a week or so, the community can ask direct 
questions to the proponents, should something be unclear in their 
proposals


- After that, we will initiate the voting

- For voting, I propose to use a simple majority vote, i.e. the 
proposal having more votes will host the conference


- The candidate not succeeding this year can propose for 2013, but it 
will not automatically be preferred there (since we already called for 
2013 proposals as well)


- Where I'm a bit undetermined is the voting scheme itself

- One option is to allow every subscriber to the announce@ lists to 
vote (after e-mail confirmation in the voting system itself),


- another one is to allow only TDF members to vote. The latter one 
would exclude joke votings like we have seen them in the past, but 
exclude many eligible people.


- A third option would be to send out a voting invitation to everyone 
subscribe to a set of mailing lists (e.g. discuss@, announce@ and so 
on), but send them a private token. That way, only active people in 
the project could vote, but TDF membership would not be necessary.


What do you think?

Thanks,
Florian
I like the third option, there are many of us, like myself who have been 
active on the Discuss list, the Users list and others, since long before 
the LO fork, but are not programmer/developers.  All I have been able to 
do is to distribute the program on disk, and install it on every machine 
I built for my customers, (hundreds of them) over the years. 


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