[board-discuss] next BoD call tomorrow
Hello, just as a reminder: the next BoD call will be tomorrow, 1600 UTC, on the usual channels, with the agenda to be drafted on the usual wiki page. ;-) The BoD needs to have a private call this week (contents will, according to our bylaws, be published as soon as possible afterwards), so if there is nothing really urgent, I propose to keep the public agenda as short as possible. Looking forward to hearing you, Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Le 2012-01-23 02:07, Florian Effenberger a écrit : - A third option would be to send out a voting invitation to everyone subscribe to a set of mailing lists (e.g. discuss@, announce@ and so on), but send them a private token. That way, only active people in the project could vote, but TDF membership would not be necessary. What do you think? Thanks, Florian This third option seems to make the most sense. As you imply, the most active members would then be included in the vote. As this is a form of filtering of our mailing lists active contributers, we could also take advantage of this occasion by accompanying the email with a short statement/link for these people to check on the criteria for membership application -- some may then consider applying for membership or work towards filling the criteria to membership. Perhaps the text could read as follows: Have you considered joining OR working towards the LibreOffice membership? Visit the membership page to verify criteria expectations of membership application. [http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws#Membership]; Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Marc Paré wrote (24-01-12 10:36) This third option seems to make the most sense. As you imply, the most active members would then be included in the vote. I agree, but of course we say 'active people' here. As this is a form of filtering of our mailing lists active contributers, we could also take advantage of this occasion by accompanying the email with a short statement/link for these people to [...] Nice idea :-) -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Am 23.01.2012 08:07, schrieb Florian Effenberger: - Where I'm a bit undetermined is the voting scheme itself - One option is to allow every subscriber to the announce@ lists to vote (after e-mail confirmation in the voting system itself), - another one is to allow only TDF members to vote. The latter one would exclude joke votings like we have seen them in the past, but exclude many eligible people. - A third option would be to send out a voting invitation to everyone subscribe to a set of mailing lists (e.g. discuss@, announce@ and so on), but send them a private token. That way, only active people in the project could vote, but TDF membership would not be necessary. What do you think? First when I saw this thread I expected a BoD-vote. -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2012-01-24 10:57: First when I saw this thread I expected a BoD-vote. I guess that would be the wrong direction. The conference is for the communit at large, so the community should decide. In theory, that means opening up a public link so anyone can vote. However, in the past, we sometimes had cases of people abusing that, massively voting for one location, while they are neither engaged in our community, nor intended to go to the conference. So, I'd like to find some sensible mechanism to involve as many people as possible, without opening the door for misuse of the voting. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi Florian, 2012/1/23 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: [..] - Where I'm a bit undetermined is the voting scheme itself [..] - another one is to allow only TDF members to vote. The latter one would exclude joke votings like we have seen them in the past, but exclude many eligible people. This is what I would prefer. [..] What do you think? See above, for the same reasons you mentioned. Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, 2012/1/24 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: So, I'd like to find some sensible mechanism to involve as many people as possible, without opening the door for misuse of the voting. Just a guess: A minimum of five postings to any of our mailinglists up to this day? Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Volker Merschmann wrote on 2012-01-24 11:06: - another one is to allow only TDF members to vote. The latter one would exclude joke votings like we have seen them in the past, but exclude many eligible people. This is what I would prefer. I think this would exclude a fair amount of contributors. Many of e.g. the code contributors are not members, but indeed do a very valueable work. Excluding them from voting sounds wrong. Volker Merschmann wrote on 2012-01-24 11:20: Just a guess: A minimum of five postings to any of our mailinglists up to this day? Counting the postings is rather tedious. I would simply extract the recipient list of several mailing lists and then appeal at them to being fair and vote only if they intend to join. I rather take the risk of have some joke votings from those who are subscribed to our discussion lists, rather than excluding a group of very valued contributors. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Florian Effenberger wrote (24-01-12 11:26) I think this would exclude a fair amount of contributors. Many of e.g. the code contributors are not members, but indeed do a very valueable work. Excluding them from voting sounds wrong. And it's not logic: the conference is not meant for members only. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
On 1/24/12 11:04 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2012-01-24 10:57: First when I saw this thread I expected a BoD-vote. I guess that would be the wrong direction. The conference is for the communit at large, so the community should decide. In theory, that means opening up a public link so anyone can vote. However, in the past, we sometimes had cases of people abusing that, massively voting for one location, while they are neither engaged in our community, nor intended to go to the conference. So, I'd like to find some sensible mechanism to involve as many people as possible, without opening the door for misuse of the voting. Florian Florian Would this help any facilitating the votes? http://doodle.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2012-01-24 12:49: Would this help any facilitating the votes? http://doodle.com/ maybe, but I am not so keen in having so large votes on an ad-financed platform. Maybe we can use an own survey system. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Helli Florian I'd still go for letting TDF members vote, why would we have the membership then? :-) Best, Charles. Le 24 janv. 2012 13:09, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2012-01-24 12:49: Would this help any facilitating the votes? http://doodle.com/ maybe, but I am not so keen in having so large votes on an ad-financed platform. Maybe we can use an own survey system. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org** Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+help@**documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/**discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, Em 24-01-2012 09:03, Cor Nouws escreveu: Florian Effenberger wrote (24-01-12 11:26) I think this would exclude a fair amount of contributors. Many of e.g. the code contributors are not members, but indeed do a very valueable work. Excluding them from voting sounds wrong. And it's not logic: the conference is not meant for members only. We are talking on choosing the location, not about non-member participating at the conference. Since TDF will be strongly involved into the organization of the conference, that shall be an internal voting, IMHO. Voting is a measure of traceable membership participation/activity. Otherwise we can get spammed on untraceable votes to send us where we don't want LibCon to happen. - -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Board of Directors Member - The Document Foundation LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPHsTDAAoJEJp3R7nH3vLxVxsIAKjnsvfThXL9AQGRnZTSevCf o2kgeDPU5aTDXgVB0vaSWfHyRFjPejaj7bdew32SdBrbi4qnAjJMPKGZ2AZZMPHV CAaVVpztLu8Hbz/464DaIWzvuy34Mvn9XZIiXi1ZwUs4e96fa3zkDzZpqZNqRW47 DtodmFpjU/2jRU6cTjDJoJfrcAr0z3+DhasqkAHwyrzAxuq0g/1zEB0vqZDtGxSe FbgeQbtWC2+QII/72pjL1zlSG632T2TWqkwlgXYRUywujCD3lpqpBxAgL9y/9whd d9/60OZyje+esoY/o0RPIfDIWtb2TwgjfmNx9S+fsObzj2Mk448gGkofJbuzyNw= =NZJH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Fonts
Hi...just a general question as I test LO 3.5: Ever since LoDEV versions of 3.5 I cannot find the general FONT section in options for setting the default FONT which is easily found in all older versions. Did it move or is it omitted for some reason? I have searched high and low to find this basic setting or maybe I don't understand what the change is to set this from earlier versions to 3.5. Happy bug hunting! Thanks. Bob -- Operating System: openSUSE Linux 12.1 64 bit Linux Kernel: 3.1.0-1.2 File System: ext4 Desktop Environment: KDE 4.7.2 E-Mail Client: Thunderbird 9.0 Web Browser: Firefox 9.0.1 Office: LibreOffice 3.4.5 Video: nVidia 8600M GT 290.10 Driver ClamAV 0.97.3 for UNIX -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fonts
Hi Bob, Robert Boehm wrote (24-01-12 16:06) Hi...just a general question as I test LO 3.5: Ever since LoDEV versions of 3.5 I cannot find the general FONT section in options for setting the default FONT which is easily found in all older versions. Did it move or is it omitted for some reason? The latter. Reason: changes around styles and such. If I remember correct, the idea is to do it either with a template (which is going to be simplified), or with an extension (changing the properties in a configuration file). I have searched high and low to find this basic setting or maybe I don't understand what the change is to set this from earlier versions to 3.5. Hmm, probably the release info needs to be improved. Happy bug hunting! You actually found one: the information. But of course feel free to report if you come across other problems ! http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport Thanks, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fonts
Thank-you so much! Bob On 01/24/2012 09:19 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Bob, Robert Boehm wrote (24-01-12 16:06) Hi...just a general question as I test LO 3.5: Ever since LoDEV versions of 3.5 I cannot find the general FONT section in options for setting the default FONT which is easily found in all older versions. Did it move or is it omitted for some reason? The latter. Reason: changes around styles and such. If I remember correct, the idea is to do it either with a template (which is going to be simplified), or with an extension (changing the properties in a configuration file). I have searched high and low to find this basic setting or maybe I don't understand what the change is to set this from earlier versions to 3.5. Hmm, probably the release info needs to be improved. Happy bug hunting! You actually found one: the information. But of course feel free to report if you come across other problems ! http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport Thanks, -- Operating System: openSUSE Linux 12.1 64 bit Linux Kernel: 3.1.0-1.2 File System: ext4 Desktop Environment: KDE 4.7.2 E-Mail Client: Thunderbird 9.0 Web Browser: Firefox 9.0.1 Office: LibreOffice 3.4.5 Video: nVidia 8600M GT 290.10 Driver ClamAV 0.97.3 for UNIX -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 12:48 -0200, Olivier Hallot wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, Em 24-01-2012 09:03, Cor Nouws escreveu: Florian Effenberger wrote (24-01-12 11:26) I think this would exclude a fair amount of contributors. Many of e.g. the code contributors are not members, but indeed do a very valueable work. Excluding them from voting sounds wrong. And it's not logic: the conference is not meant for members only. We are talking on choosing the location, not about non-member participating at the conference. Since TDF will be strongly involved into the organization of the conference, that shall be an internal voting, IMHO. Voting is a measure of traceable membership participation/activity. Otherwise we can get spammed on untraceable votes to send us where we don't want LibCon to happen. Hello, Though we should certainly solicit input from anyone during the deliberation period it seems most appropriate for the final decision to be made by the foundation members. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Am 24.01.2012 14:26, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: I'd still go for letting TDF members vote, why would we have the membership then? :-) Beeing committed to the project does not necessarily mean to be a member of the TDF. The event is supposed to be a LibreOffice Conference rather than a TDF Conference, from what I understand. I find it reasonable to let the people vote to who the event is targetted to. And that´s not only TDF members. :-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
On 24/01/2012 12:03, Cor Nouws wrote: Florian Effenberger wrote (24-01-12 11:26) I think this would exclude a fair amount of contributors. Many of e.g. the code contributors are not members, but indeed do a very valueable work. Excluding them from voting sounds wrong. And it's not logic: the conference is not meant for members only. +1 :) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Olivier Hallot wrote on 2012-01-24 15:48: Voting is a measure of traceable membership participation/activity. Otherwise we can get spammed on untraceable votes to send us where we don't want LibCon to happen. by that, we would exclude a large amount of developers, and I am sure want to have them on the list. While it might be indeed something to attract more people applying for membership, I think excluding them from all votings (rather than only elections, which is what membership is about), does not feel right - but I am happy to hear some more thoughts, since we seem to have mixed feelings here. ;) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Olivier Hallot wrote on 2012-01-24 15:48: Voting is a measure of traceable membership participation/activity. Otherwise we can get spammed on untraceable votes to send us where we don't want LibCon to happen. by that, we would exclude a large amount of developers, and I am sure want to have them on the list. While it might be indeed something to attract more people applying for membership, I think excluding them from all votings (rather than only elections, which is what membership is about), does not feel right - but I am happy to hear some more thoughts, since we seem to have mixed feelings here. ;) Florian Perhaps we should have 2 tiered membership, full members, developers who contribute on a regular and ongoing basis and such, and associate members, those who have been on the mail lists since the founding of TDF, and who contribute in less provable ways, like promoting the program, giving others the program on disk etc. I have been on the discuss list with OOo since about the turn of the century, and actually would like to contribute to the program in limited ways, like sending word lists for the spelling dictionary, and enhancing the autocorrect function if any developer is willing to help me to do it. I haven't done any programming since working with BASIC back in the 1980s, so I can't contribute much to the code, but I would like to do whatever I can. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
