[board-discuss] CAcert Organization Validation
Hello, just wanted to share from FOSDEM: The kind folks of CAcert talked to me and offered that, as soon as we have the incorporation documents, we could get an organization validation. By that means, one or two of us could create certificates for BoD and MC members directly, without each certificate recipient having to validate manually. Although CAcert isn't included in many major browsers and mail clients, I think this sounds like a good thing to do, and I'll follow-up as soon as I have details. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] CAcert Organization Validation
Hi, Florian Effenberger wrote on 2012-02-07 10:48: Although CAcert isn't included in many major browsers and mail clients, I think this sounds like a good thing to do, and I'll follow-up as soon as I have details. ...and I forgot the most important thing to mention: Why we should do so. ;-) Although it is not enforced, it might make sense to have meeting minutes and official BoD decisions signed in the future, to ensure they are valid, and everyone can verify. For that, it would be desirable for every BoD and MC member + deputy to have their own certificate. The reason for using S/MIME (X.509) rather than GPG is that 1. LibreOffice can sign ODT with X.509 certificates 2. PDFs can be signed using them as well 3. most mail clients support them out of the box Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] next BoD call on Wednesday
Florian Effenberger wrote: this is just a quick reminder that our next BoD call takes place on Wednesday, 1600 UTC. I'm travelling at that time, will try to attend but cannot promise - just in case, Andreas, can you stand-in for me? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] next BoD call on Wednesday
Hi Thorsten, Am Dienstag, 7. Februar 2012, 15:53:47 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Florian Effenberger wrote: this is just a quick reminder that our next BoD call takes place on Wednesday, 1600 UTC. I'm travelling at that time, will try to attend but cannot promise - just in case, Andreas, can you stand-in for me? if nothing special happens, I can jump in. I'll be in the call tomorrow and can stand-in for you. Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas Mantke andreas.man...@documentfoundation.org Deputy of the Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Twitter: @andreasooo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] next BoD call on Wednesday
Hi Florian, *, Am Montag, 6. Februar 2012, 13:40:22 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, this is just a quick reminder that our next BoD call takes place on Wednesday, 1600 UTC. Dial-in details and the agenda where you can contribute to are available at the usual place: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Meetings do we have an agenda for the call already? I can't find a list of items in the wiki yet. I think we had to talk about Cebit and missing items for that event. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] next BoD call on Wednesday
Hi, Andreas Mantke wrote on 2012-02-07 21:20: do we have an agenda for the call already? I can't find a list of items in the wiki yet. I think we had to talk about Cebit and missing items for that event. seems nobody has added agenda items yet... I'll try to add mine tomorrow. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Hi donald, donald_harbison wrote What is this talk about a competitor product? The Apache OpenOffice project does not seek to compete with LibreOffice. *I* mentioned a competitor to LibreOffice (not Italo) and was referring to IBM Lotus Symphony and the web service IBM Docs. Quoting my email to answer Italo doesn't make sense because I wasn't attacking Apache or even IBM (IMO some IBM employees bashing TDF on their blogs and on public mailing lists and forums, does not make it a corporate decision ;)) I think you two should exchange private email ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3723417.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Pedro, My mistake then. I didn't read deeply enough into the thread. I still submit that none of these open source projects and their products compete in the sense of meaningful market share. With MS-Office dominating so thoroughly the only thing that makes sense is to build a shared sense of opportunity, rather than bickering incessantly. IBM Docs will be a component of the IBM Connections offering later this year. I don't know how that looks like a competitor to LibreOffice. Lotus Symphony was primarily offered to Lotus Notes customers in large enterprise as a no charge entitlement. Integrated in this fashion, it offers customers an alternative to MS-Office if they choose. We have no evidence that these customers consider LibreOffice, so I don't think it's fair to say we are in a sort of competition. What matters most is to help end users understand the benefits of ODF as their file format, and improve interoperability with the dominance of MS-Office formats. I hope you can at least agree on this last point, if not the others. Regards, /don Donald Harbison Program Director IBM Open Document Format Initiative Software Group Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 From: Pedro pedl...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org, Date: 02/07/2012 01:38 PM Subject:[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;) Hi donald, donald_harbison wrote What is this talk about a competitor product? The Apache OpenOffice project does not seek to compete with LibreOffice. *I* mentioned a competitor to LibreOffice (not Italo) and was referring to IBM Lotus Symphony and the web service IBM Docs. Quoting my email to answer Italo doesn't make sense because I wasn't attacking Apache or even IBM (IMO some IBM employees bashing TDF on their blogs and on public mailing lists and forums, does not make it a corporate decision ;)) I think you two should exchange private email ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3723417.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: Pedro, My mistake then. I didn't read deeply enough into the thread. I still submit that none of these open source projects and their products compete in the sense of meaningful market share. With MS-Office dominating so thoroughly the only thing that makes sense is to build a shared sense of opportunity, rather than bickering incessantly. IBM Docs will be a component of the IBM Connections offering later this year. I don't know how that looks like a competitor to LibreOffice. Lotus Symphony was primarily offered to Lotus Notes customers in large enterprise as a no charge entitlement. Integrated in this fashion, it offers customers an alternative to MS-Office if they choose. We have no evidence that these customers consider LibreOffice, so I don't think it's fair to say we are in a sort of competition. What matters most is to help end users understand the benefits of ODF as their file format, and improve interoperability with the dominance of MS-Office formats. I hope you can at least agree on this last point, if not the others. My take is that LibreOffice like OpenOffice is an office suite chosen primarily by home users, novelists and other self employed writers, academics, very small businesses, and general fans of open source. Big corporations never even consider using such products because of a lack of certain kinds of refinements. The lack of integration with MS email products is an absolute deal breaker in many cases, as is the lack on an adequate spell check dictionary, a good presentation program, and a few other items. To most large businesses the price of MS-Office products is insignificant compared to the inconvenience to them of doing without some of its features. I used OpenOffice, and now use LibreOffice (Writer only, I have no need whatsoever for a spreadsheet etc.) because I just don't like Word. There are a few things I would really like to see improved and/or changed about Writer, but it still is the best word processor around, at least for the needs of someone like me. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
On 07/02/2012 21:01, Robert Derman wrote: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: Pedro, My mistake then. I didn't read deeply enough into the thread. I still submit that none of these open source projects and their products compete in the sense of meaningful market share. With MS-Office dominating so thoroughly the only thing that makes sense is to build a shared sense of opportunity, rather than bickering incessantly. IBM Docs will be a component of the IBM Connections offering later this year. I don't know how that looks like a competitor to LibreOffice. Lotus Symphony was primarily offered to Lotus Notes customers in large enterprise as a no charge entitlement. Integrated in this fashion, it offers customers an alternative to MS-Office if they choose. We have no evidence that these customers consider LibreOffice, so I don't think it's fair to say we are in a sort of competition. What matters most is to help end users understand the benefits of ODF as their file format, and improve interoperability with the dominance of MS-Office formats. I hope you can at least agree on this last point, if not the others. My take is that LibreOffice like OpenOffice is an office suite chosen primarily by home users, novelists and other self employed writers, academics, very small businesses, and general fans of open source. Big corporations never even consider using such products because of a lack of certain kinds of refinements. The lack of integration with MS email products is an absolute deal breaker in many cases, as is the lack on an adequate spell check dictionary, a good presentation program, and a few other items. To most large businesses the price of MS-Office products is insignificant compared to the inconvenience to them of doing without some of its features. May be you missed what happened in several European countries, where primarily ODF was a political choice. This is in French but speaks about almost 14 ministries using LibreOffice http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/mimo/ You'll be able to find other things like that if you ask the language communities. I used OpenOffice, and now use LibreOffice (Writer only, I have no need whatsoever for a spreadsheet etc.) because I just don't like Word. There are a few things I would really like to see improved and/or changed about Writer, but it still is the best word processor around, at least for the needs of someone like me. It's not only someone like you. Owning your data and what they will become in the future is a matter for all of us. Ensuring the file format stays open and accessible for everyone and the tool dealing with it remains available for all in their own language with an easy and documented way to be modified is what we are aiming each and every day. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Hi again Don donald_harbison wrote What matters most is to help end users understand the benefits of ODF as their file format, and improve interoperability with the dominance of MS-Office formats. I agree with you that joining forces (instead of fighting for the crumbles and let MS keep all the cake) makes a LOT of sense. But I think that more important than each house wasting time and resources building their own version of an Office Suite, it would be much more useful to make ODF a really compatible and superior file format. My 2 cents ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3724302.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
