[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities

2012-05-18 Thread Pedro
Hi Marc


Marc Paré wrote
 
 Actually, after reading the bug report, I checked to see if I had the 
 same problem. I read the suggestion of resetting the profile and it now 
 works properly.
 
 Let me know if this works for you too and I will file a report on your 
 submitted bug confirming the fix.
 

Resetting the user profile is hardly a fix. I think the correct name is
workaround.

Although this is acceptable for advanced users, it is enough to make someone
who is trying out LibreOffice to give up (see comments in AskLibO and User
mailing list)

Returning to the subject of this topic, adding a mechanism (i.e. a one click
button to Repair profile) to fix this kind of problems would be a good
addition to the usability and friendliness of the Suite.

(Before someone shoots the LibreOffice default comment Why don't you fix it
yourself? TM, I want to add that I am not a developer)

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities

2012-05-18 Thread Richard
Thanks, Marc.

Marc Paré wrote
 
  Actually, after reading the bug report, I checked to see if I had the
  same problem. I read the suggestion of resetting the profile and it now
  works properly.
 
  Let me know if this works for you too and I will file a report on your
  submitted bug confirming the fix.
 

 Resetting the user profile is hardly a fix. I think the correct name is
 workaround.

 Although this is acceptable for advanced users, it is enough to make
 someone
 who is trying out LibreOffice to give up (see comments in AskLibO and User
 mailing list)


That seems to work for me, also. At least it created the new /user folder.
Thanks for the tip.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

2012-05-18 Thread Mark Preston
Marc,

My apologies; I was not aware you were looking for how people managed
to up-rate LibreOffice to work better for academic work. In my own
case, I found the writer's tools offered by Dimitri Popov as an
extension toolkit to be most useful, particularly for things like
citations, bibliography and footnotes.

It must be admitted that the extension is an OpenOffice item rather
than LibreOffice, but I found it would work quite well with minimal
extra work to put into LibreOffice. I hope this is the sort of thing
you were looking for.



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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities

2012-05-18 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Pedro,

Thanks for the reply and comments.

Le 2012-05-18 05:50, Pedro a écrit :

Hi Marc


Marc Paré wrote


Actually, after reading the bug report, I checked to see if I had the
same problem. I read the suggestion of resetting the profile and it now
works properly.

Let me know if this works for you too and I will file a report on your
submitted bug confirming the fix.



Resetting the user profile is hardly a fix. I think the correct name is
workaround.

Although this is acceptable for advanced users, it is enough to make someone
who is trying out LibreOffice to give up (see comments in AskLibO and User
mailing list)

Returning to the subject of this topic, adding a mechanism (i.e. a one click
button to Repair profile) to fix this kind of problems would be a good
addition to the usability and friendliness of the Suite.

(Before someone shoots the LibreOffice default comment Why don't you fix it
yourself? TM, I want to add that I am not a developer)

Regards,
Pedro


The process of bug-fixing is:

* people report a bug
* people confirm the bug through testing
* devs either accept or reject the bug (normally accept, unless the bug 
is a duplicate of another bug report)

* people + devs find a temporary work-around
* devs will try to find a fix
* people will try the fix and report back
* fix is corrected in an updated version

Now that we have found a workaround for this bug, the volunteer-devs can 
get to work at finding the solution, which, can either be a small fix or 
a large coding fix; we don't really know at this point. (BTW, I am also 
not a dev.)


The bug-report-fixing in opensource projects is normally heavy on people 
reporting problems and finding temporary workarounds, often with dev 
support. The workaround does not mean that the bug will be closed, it 
just means that the devs now have solid confirmation of the problem and 
finding a fix with testing is the next step.


In fact, if a user reports a bug, it is hoped, in all cases, that the 
user will help testing out any fixes suggested by the devs so that they 
can better understand and correct the problem.


Although opensource software is free to use, it is hoped that the user 
will help make the project better by participating in some way as a form 
of repayment, if at all possible. There is always something a user can 
do to help no matter how small the contribution. Even leaving comments 
such as yours is helpful. (BTW, I will include you comment about the 
one click button ... to the bug report.)[1]


If you feel you can help with the LibreOffice project in any way, feel 
free to ask and someone will suggest where you could help. Now that we 
know the workaround we can help other users who have this problem by 
informing them of it.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/process_bug.cgi



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Re: [tdf-discuss] [Writer] Problem with modern typefaces having more than the standard styles

2012-05-18 Thread GwenDragon
Hello,
No new ideas to fix the problem of incorrect reimport of formatting
in LibreOffice 3.5 with the Kallos (and other font families) font problem?


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RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities

2012-05-18 Thread Pieter E. Zanstra
Hello Marc,

In the process of commenting it would be good that people who actively respond 
to a reported bug, also add their email address. Just for those many cases 
where the original reporting person has disappeared, and there no longer is a 
problem holder from the user comunity.

Pieter

Thanks for the reply and comments.

Le 2012-05-18 05:50, Pedro a écrit :
 Hi Marc


 Marc Paré wrote

 Actually, after reading the bug report, I checked to see if 
I had the 
 same problem. I read the suggestion of resetting the profile and it 
 now works properly.

 Let me know if this works for you too and I will file a report on 
 your submitted bug confirming the fix.


 Resetting the user profile is hardly a fix. I think the correct name 
 is workaround.

 Although this is acceptable for advanced users, it is enough to make 
 someone who is trying out LibreOffice to give up (see comments in 
 AskLibO and User mailing list)

 Returning to the subject of this topic, adding a mechanism 
(i.e. a one 
 click button to Repair profile) to fix this kind of problems 
would be 
 a good addition to the usability and friendliness of the Suite.

 (Before someone shoots the LibreOffice default comment Why 
don't you 
 fix it yourself? TM, I want to add that I am not a developer)

 Regards,
 Pedro

The process of bug-fixing is:

* people report a bug
* people confirm the bug through testing
* devs either accept or reject the bug (normally accept, 
unless the bug is a duplicate of another bug report)
* people + devs find a temporary work-around
* devs will try to find a fix
* people will try the fix and report back
* fix is corrected in an updated version

Now that we have found a workaround for this bug, the 
volunteer-devs can get to work at finding the solution, which, 
can either be a small fix or a large coding fix; we don't 
really know at this point. (BTW, I am also not a dev.)

The bug-report-fixing in opensource projects is normally heavy 
on people reporting problems and finding temporary 
workarounds, often with dev support. The workaround does not 
mean that the bug will be closed, it just means that the devs 
now have solid confirmation of the problem and finding a fix 
with testing is the next step.

In fact, if a user reports a bug, it is hoped, in all cases, 
that the user will help testing out any fixes suggested by the 
devs so that they can better understand and correct the problem.

Although opensource software is free to use, it is hoped that 
the user will help make the project better by participating in 
some way as a form of repayment, if at all possible. There is 
always something a user can do to help no matter how small the 
contribution. Even leaving comments such as yours is helpful. 
(BTW, I will include you comment about the one click button 
... to the bug report.)[1]

If you feel you can help with the LibreOffice project in any 
way, feel free to ask and someone will suggest where you could 
help. Now that we know the workaround we can help other users 
who have this problem by informing them of it.

Cheers,

Marc

[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/process_bug.cgi



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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

2012-05-18 Thread NoOp
On 05/17/2012 03:15 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
...
 There is a need for a few templates for academic use; a built-in 
...

You might want to contact/collaborate with Orest Kinasevyc. He wrote
several templates for APA Style 5th  6th editions for students:

http://www.kinasevych.ca/2010/03/openoffice-org-templates-for-apa-style-student-and-academic-papers/
[Be sure to read the 1 and only comment from the author]

Download page:
http://www.kinasevych.ca/c/201003/02/apa/

The 6th edition APA template is 12 pages with side notes (includes
instructions for Zotero etc).


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[tdf-discuss] IBM plans to contribute the Symphony code to Apache OpenOffice, soon.

2012-05-18 Thread theUser BL

If you still haven't noticed it: It needs not much time, until IBM publish its 
Symphony code.

Here some links:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/18332
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Contribution
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony

Greatings
theuserbl

  
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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

2012-05-18 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2012/5/15 Laurence Jeloudev ljelou...@gmail.com wrote, among other things:
 I hope Microsoft Office support Libreoffice file formats the odf formats in
 there next office release, as then it would help more compatibility issues
 and problems with files and formatting hopefully being fixed.

Dream on.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

2012-05-18 Thread Olav Dahlum
2012/5/15 Pieter E. Zanstra pie...@zanstra.eu

 Like it or not, only one thing matters:
 Seemless file exchange with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. Period!
 Pieter


Simple, just ask Microsoft to publish the specifications for all their file
formats …

Regards,
Olav Dahlum

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Re: [tdf-discuss] IBM plans to contribute the Symphony code to Apache OpenOffice, soon.

2012-05-18 Thread Italo Vignoli
theUser BL wrote:

 Here some links:
 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/18332
 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Contribution
 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony

We are on top of this.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

2012-05-18 Thread Olav Dahlum
I agree that is the worse thing that I do not like about LibreOffice, is
that there is no sufficient compatibility with Microsoft Office.

 An Example are pptx files, that have formatting errors where the text does
 not fit on the same slide, and runs off the page. so everything has to be
 re-sized again. all the text boxes.


So why use the proprietary file formats in Microsoft Office then? Most of
them are defective by design as well.


 I hope Microsoft Office support Libreoffice file formats the odf formats
 in there next office release, as then it would help more compatibility
 issues and problems with files and formatting hopefully being fixed.


If they ditch the flawed OOXML support, that can happen.


 Microsoft are not the only company that have this problem, working with
 Apple iwork files also has formatting problems with Calc in Libreoffice
 when apple convert them to an xls format. i don't understand how that works


Apple do not have the file specifications for Microsoft Office formats, as
the rest of us. On top of that, Microsoft Office for MacOS have been known
to cause problems when opening files created in the Windows version.
Coincidence?


 LibreOffice and Google Docs (Drive) still don't work together sometimes
 especially with fonts and formatting errors. Although again, its a google
 issue not an issue with libreoffice.


So, why bring it up here?


 In An Academic environment, I believe the software suite could work,
 although I am restricted currently at the moment only allowed to use
 Microsoft Office. I am a student at a school, the thing that annoys me, is
 when microsoft office lags, and it hangs, on school computers. It then
 wastes  a lot of my time when typing a document (somtimes crashing and the
 document doesn't want to retrieve!). Then when I am at home, libreoffice
 always works flawlessly.


Meaning, they have no concept of sharing documents using standardized
formats. This is good reading for the uneducated:
http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/#Before, and if they don't understand,
confiscate their computer(s).




 ljelly.



Regards,
Olav

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

2012-05-18 Thread Bruce Byfield
On Friday, May 18, 2012 11:29:33 AM NoOp wrote:
 On 05/17/2012 03:15 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
 ...
 
  There is a need for a few templates for academic use; a built-in
 
 ...
 
 You might want to contact/collaborate with Orest Kinasevyc. He wrote
 several templates for APA Style 5th  6th editions for students:
 

My own academic days are past, so please excuse a suggestion I'm not willing 
to implement myself.

However, I'm sure that more people would use the bibliographical tools if  the 
samples given weren't misleading. Anyone trying to learn from them might 
easily give up in despair.

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