Re: [board-discuss] [4.0] Review
Hello, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2013-02-13 12:05: as 4.0.0 is rolled out there should be a review about what happened: The good points, the bad points What can we do in the same way, what in a better way the next time? What is needed to get it better? A discussion may cause some budget thoughts, community handling, marketing concepts, Whiteboards, Easy Hacks etc. IMHO the board should be the starting point and the lead of such a discussion to give it a direction for the whole community. What do you think? we have already discussed some aspects on the lists, but I agree that we should do a review. Overall, I think it was a fantastic and exciting release, and you all did a great job! There is, however, some room for improvement, which I'd like to have for the next releases - in terms of translations, website and others. Do you have certain points you'd like to highlight? If so, I propose to either discuss it in a board call, or on the discuss list, so everyone can participate. Florian
Re: [tdf-discuss] creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system
Hi Tim, Le 2013-02-14 15:11, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit : Since LO 4.0.x uses the Persona design specifications that were defined by Firefox's Persona extension/theme system, and currently users of LO 4.0.x goes to Firefox's gallery to choose Persona designs, I was wondering if LO should not have its own design gallery page? We have users creating LO themed Persona designs. They submit them to the FF gallery posting system. Why not have a gallery of Persona designs that were specifically designed as themes for LibreOffice? We have a Extension Center and a Template Center. These are for displaying the extensions and templates users have developed and submitted to LO to allow other users to have access to them. Why not have a place like that where users can submit Persona design themes that were created specifically for LibreOffice? Firefox Gallery was designed for Persona and theme designs that were created to their package. We use that Persona specification, but LibreOffice header menu is different from what is displayed for Firefox's header menu. What might look good for Firefox might not look good for LibreOffice, and vice-a-versa. So, would it be a good idea to have a design gallery of Persona designs specifically created to look well with LibreOffice's header/footer menu design? Could we make it like the submission process for adding a extension to its center? Of course there will have to be some overseer for that submission process. What I would do is develop the design and test it out on LO. Then take a screen shot of the design and what it looks like with with the menu options displayed with the design in the background. Take that screen-shot for both the header and footer designs and make them one full window width image. Submit that image file [separate file] with the Persona design file[s] in an archive format of [say] .zip. There could be a smaller image submitted that would be displayed on the gallery showing what the design looks like with LibreOffice. It would be nice to have a gallery of designs specifically created for LibreOffice and not having to see if a Persona designed for Firefox works well with LibreOffice. What do you think? Yes? No? Would this work on the extensions website? Maybe Andrea Mantke could add his comments? Perhaps as part of the process, you could write up a how-to create a persona theme specifically for LibreOffice on our wiki pages? This would really help. You could write it up on the marketing wiki section and we could link to it on the marketing section. We could also temporarily host the new LibreOffice personas on the wiki temporarily until a solution for a repository could be found. I don't think we are talking about thousands of specific LibreOffice personas, but this could be a temporary fix? IMO, most users would expect to see these on the extensions site and it would be a great draw (attraction) to get people into the extensions site. As you and I have found, the LibreOffice personas are a little different than those of FF, in that LibreOffice allows more space on the right hand side of the persona. The menu bars are also much more busier than FF. So this is both a bonus for writing in the LibreOffice label on the right-hand side but a little harder to deal with the busy menus. How does this sound to you? Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [board-discuss] Re: November 2012 profits losses
Marc Paré wrote: I have a few questions about section 2900. I am not sure if some of the items belong there. Hi Marc, thanks for actually reading those things - I answer a bit selectively: What was 2900 Other costs charitable mission EUR 533.60 spent on? Lawyer and banking fees, all under the TDF charitable mission. Actually, now that I look at the 2900 heading, it may be better to re-label it in another way. Other costs related to TDF otherwise the label that is used now suggests that the costs below the 2900 section relates to costs that were incurred for charitable use -- which I don't think is what you mean. I do - so for the past year, *all* TDF expenses were done as a charity. To the best of my knowledge, no for-profit spendings. As such, we have to group those expenses under the 2500-2999 range (see below why). IMO, all of these could fit in the 2700 category if you use the 2700 title as Office Expenses, then follow through with the 2701, 2702, 2703 etc. numbering. I don't know the reason why any TDF expenses should be singled out in 2900 when the whole Profit/Loss report about the TDF. All of the 2900 costs seem related to 2700 Office costs (which are understood to be TDF Office Costs) We in theory have some freedom in assigning and using accounts, as long as we don't fall under the German Bilanzpflicht (a mandatory annual balance report, testified by a chartered accountant). But I think it pays to act as aligned to those rules as possible, to ease transition, and also to be reasonably self-documenting for someone knowledgeable of other German charity accounting practices. As such, we base TDF Berlin accounting on the SKR49 accounting template: http://www.datev.de/portal/ShowContent.do?pid=dpicid=75170 , which is standard for associations, foundations, and non-profit corporations. With that template, 2700-2799 are broadly assigned for membership administration costs, and 2800-2804 for member recruitment and benefits. Both don't seem to fit the case here. So I went for the broader catch-all account 2900, though with said subaccounts for recurring items (sub accounts, in contrast to sibling accounts, have the nice feature to give summary balances in the parent 2900 account). Along those lines (and if well-justified also beyond), I'll gladly improve things. Of course, early in the year is the best opportunity to meddle with account assignments etc etc. :) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system
On 02/18/2013 01:04 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Tim, Le 2013-02-14 15:11, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit : Since LO 4.0.x uses the Persona design specifications that were defined by Firefox's Persona extension/theme system, and currently users of LO 4.0.x goes to Firefox's gallery to choose Persona designs, I was wondering if LO should not have its own design gallery page? We have users creating LO themed Persona designs. They submit them to the FF gallery posting system. Why not have a gallery of Persona designs that were specifically designed as themes for LibreOffice? We have a Extension Center and a Template Center. These are for displaying the extensions and templates users have developed and submitted to LO to allow other users to have access to them. Why not have a place like that where users can submit Persona design themes that were created specifically for LibreOffice? Firefox Gallery was designed for Persona and theme designs that were created to their package. We use that Persona specification, but LibreOffice header menu is different from what is displayed for Firefox's header menu. What might look good for Firefox might not look good for LibreOffice, and vice-a-versa. So, would it be a good idea to have a design gallery of Persona designs specifically created to look well with LibreOffice's header/footer menu design? Could we make it like the submission process for adding a extension to its center? Of course there will have to be some overseer for that submission process. What I would do is develop the design and test it out on LO. Then take a screen shot of the design and what it looks like with with the menu options displayed with the design in the background. Take that screen-shot for both the header and footer designs and make them one full window width image. Submit that image file [separate file] with the Persona design file[s] in an archive format of [say] .zip. There could be a smaller image submitted that would be displayed on the gallery showing what the design looks like with LibreOffice. It would be nice to have a gallery of designs specifically created for LibreOffice and not having to see if a Persona designed for Firefox works well with LibreOffice. What do you think? Yes? No? Would this work on the extensions website? Maybe Andrea Mantke could add his comments? Perhaps as part of the process, you could write up a how-to create a persona theme specifically for LibreOffice on our wiki pages? This would really help. You could write it up on the marketing wiki section and we could link to it on the marketing section. We could also temporarily host the new LibreOffice personas on the wiki temporarily until a solution for a repository could be found. I don't think we are talking about thousands of specific LibreOffice personas, but this could be a temporary fix? IMO, most users would expect to see these on the extensions site and it would be a great draw (attraction) to get people into the extensions site. As you and I have found, the LibreOffice personas are a little different than those of FF, in that LibreOffice allows more space on the right hand side of the persona. The menu bars are also much more busier than FF. So this is both a bonus for writing in the LibreOffice label on the right-hand side but a little harder to deal with the busy menus. How does this sound to you? Cheers, Marc I just found out that LibreOffice does not use the font color that the FF Persona designs call for. So if the menu color is white in Firefox, LO will still use the black menu color. That really messes up people who want a dark color background that works well with FF. I will think about the wiki page information. I just wish there was a method of editing the theme using LO instead of using FF. Also, there is not previously used theme/persona list like there is for FF. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: November 2012 profits losses
Hi Thorsten, Just answering at the top and nothing below. Thanks for the answers. Yup, I do read these things on all of the projects where I help out :-) Cheers, Marc Le 2013-02-18 13:29, Thorsten Behrens a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: I have a few questions about section 2900. I am not sure if some of the items belong there. Hi Marc, thanks for actually reading those things - I answer a bit selectively: What was 2900 Other costs charitable mission EUR 533.60 spent on? Lawyer and banking fees, all under the TDF charitable mission. Actually, now that I look at the 2900 heading, it may be better to re-label it in another way. Other costs related to TDF otherwise the label that is used now suggests that the costs below the 2900 section relates to costs that were incurred for charitable use -- which I don't think is what you mean. I do - so for the past year, *all* TDF expenses were done as a charity. To the best of my knowledge, no for-profit spendings. As such, we have to group those expenses under the 2500-2999 range (see below why). IMO, all of these could fit in the 2700 category if you use the 2700 title as Office Expenses, then follow through with the 2701, 2702, 2703 etc. numbering. I don't know the reason why any TDF expenses should be singled out in 2900 when the whole Profit/Loss report about the TDF. All of the 2900 costs seem related to 2700 Office costs (which are understood to be TDF Office Costs) We in theory have some freedom in assigning and using accounts, as long as we don't fall under the German Bilanzpflicht (a mandatory annual balance report, testified by a chartered accountant). But I think it pays to act as aligned to those rules as possible, to ease transition, and also to be reasonably self-documenting for someone knowledgeable of other German charity accounting practices. As such, we base TDF Berlin accounting on the SKR49 accounting template: http://www.datev.de/portal/ShowContent.do?pid=dpicid=75170 , which is standard for associations, foundations, and non-profit corporations. With that template, 2700-2799 are broadly assigned for membership administration costs, and 2800-2804 for member recruitment and benefits. Both don't seem to fit the case here. So I went for the broader catch-all account 2900, though with said subaccounts for recurring items (sub accounts, in contrast to sibling accounts, have the nice feature to give summary balances in the parent 2900 account). Along those lines (and if well-justified also beyond), I'll gladly improve things. Of course, early in the year is the best opportunity to meddle with account assignments etc etc. :) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system
On 2013-02-18 2:00 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I just found out that LibreOffice does not use the font color that the FF Persona designs call for. So if the menu color is white in Firefox, LO will still use the black menu color. That really messes up people who want a dark color background that works well with FF. So you reported the bug? Bug#? ;) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system
On 02/18/2013 04:08 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-02-18 2:00 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I just found out that LibreOffice does not use the font color that the FF Persona designs call for. So if the menu color is white in Firefox, LO will still use the black menu color. That really messes up people who want a dark color background that works well with FF. So you reported the bug? Bug#? ;) No I have not. I am still dealing with a few things on my end that is more time-sensitive than trying to figure out what is neededfor a bug report. If you want to know briefly. . . Persona/Theme designs include font color specifications where the designer selects the right menu font color for the background. ALSO, it appears that some of the toobars have icons that have transparencyissues, where the icon does not show properly if the background is not WHITE. So that is another issue. Then there is the fact the the persona/theme includes a footer image, but it appears that LO either does not use thatfooter or does not do it properly. There may be more there as well, but I just installed LO 4.0 onthe desktop I do the design work at and just got some various persona/themes submitted/approved that have different background colors and text colors. Try this theme design. . . http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/494461 It works well if you have the white menu text that will show up in Firefox. But the text is black with Ubuntu's 64-bit or Win7 64-bit versions of LO4.0.0.3. So I am still finding things that could be bugs or something. Maybe the developers had not even thought about changing the menu text color. Then there is the in-ability for testing the theme in LO like FF allows you to do. That is either a good idea or bad one. You can choose either way and be right. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system
Le 2013-02-18 18:51, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit : On 02/18/2013 04:08 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-02-18 2:00 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I just found out that LibreOffice does not use the font color that the FF Persona designs call for. So if the menu color is white in Firefox, LO will still use the black menu color. That really messes up people who want a dark color background that works well with FF. So you reported the bug? Bug#? ;) No I have not. I am still dealing with a few things on my end that is more time-sensitive than trying to figure out what is neededfor a bug report. If you want to know briefly. . . Persona/Theme designs include font color specifications where the designer selects the right menu font color for the background. ALSO, it appears that some of the toobars have icons that have transparencyissues, where the icon does not show properly if the background is not WHITE. So that is another issue. Then there is the fact the the persona/theme includes a footer image, but it appears that LO either does not use thatfooter or does not do it properly. There may be more there as well, but I just installed LO 4.0 onthe desktop I do the design work at and just got some various persona/themes submitted/approved that have different background colors and text colors. Try this theme design. . . http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/494461 It works well if you have the white menu text that will show up in Firefox. But the text is black with Ubuntu's 64-bit or Win7 64-bit versions of LO4.0.0.3. So I am still finding things that could be bugs or something. Maybe the developers had not even thought about changing the menu text color. Then there is the in-ability for testing the theme in LO like FF allows you to do. That is either a good idea or bad one. You can choose either way and be right. Would you like me to submit some bugs for these? There are quite a few and the devs are interested in making this work as it get a lot a attention. So these would all be individual bug submissions: * ability to test (locally) your designs? * ability of designer to select the menu font colour * transparency issues where the cison does not show properly if the background is NOT white * does not show footer images Are there anymore? Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system
Hi Marc, Tim, all, Am 19.02.2013 02:09, schrieb Marc Paré: So these would all be individual bug submissions: * ability to test (locally) your designs? That is easily to do: - create a folder in libo/program called edition - put in a jpg called header.jpg - switch on the option Pre-Installed Persona (if available) in the option Personalization That's it. -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
