Re: [tdf-discuss] Why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument"?
Let me answer this more fully in line. On 07/06/2016 05:47 AM, c.bu...@posteo.jp wrote: > I am a software developer and using LibreOffice (LO) on a Linux > environment. But sometimes I have to deal with Word-users. > In such a mixed working group I found out that Word doesn't "respect" > the OpenDocument format. Yes this is well known. With Microsoft 2010 only ODF1.1 is supported so if you're saving in ODF1.2 things go awry. > I am sure you know such problems. A 30 second google search confirms them ;) > I want to understand why it is that way? Pretty straight forward. Microsoft only supports ODF1.1 through Office2010, I believe with 2013 ODF1.2 is supported but I'm not positive. Even at that, their support isn't perfect (just like our support of OOXML isn't perfect). They put their energy into supporting their own standard. > I am not so deep in the topic and in the documents about that. But I > think OpenDocument is a well documented and specified standard. > Right? It's documented...as far as how well, I'm not the one to answer that. I know that there are lots of things that aren't actually adopted yet that OOXML currently supports that the ODT committee has not adopted an equivalent for. > > As I described I observed that Word doesn't fit to that standard. But > Word lie to the user and offer to open and save OpenDocument files. I suggest reporting bugs to Microsoft when issues come up. > > Of course I know why Microsoft software behave like that - destroying > open and free standards. :-b I won't comment here as it's beyond my knowledge. > > The question is why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument" that way? Open standard we want everyone using it, even if not perfectly. > > Isn't there a juristic way to restrict that? No and even if there was, we wouldn't want that. Then it becomes two proprietary standards. Like I said, we want all office suites to adopt ODT and get past the "this is my standard and you can't use it" mentality. Best, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument"?
No. The standard is open and thus is encouraged to be adopted by all. Best, Joel On 07/06/2016 05:47 AM, c.bu...@posteo.jp wrote: > I am a software developer and using LibreOffice (LO) on a Linux > environment. But sometimes I have to deal with Word-users. > In such a mixed working group I found out that Word doesn't "respect" > the OpenDocument format. > > I had a very(!) simple ODT file created with LO. Only text and headings > created with style sheets (german: "Formatvorlage"). > Open and re-save that file with word "destroy" the structure of the > style sheets and something more. e.g. "heading 1-3" becomes just > "heading". > > I am sure you know such problems. > > I want to understand why it is that way? > > I am not so deep in the topic and in the documents about that. But I > think OpenDocument is a well documented and specified standard. > Right? > > As I described I observed that Word doesn't fit to that standard. But > Word lie to the user and offer to open and save OpenDocument files. > > Of course I know why Microsoft software behave like that - destroying > open and free standards. > > The question is why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument" that way? > > Isn't there a juristic way to restrict that? > > And is the OD-standard really so wishy-washy that the behaviour I > described is fitted by the standard? > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument"?
I am a software developer and using LibreOffice (LO) on a Linux environment. But sometimes I have to deal with Word-users. In such a mixed working group I found out that Word doesn't "respect" the OpenDocument format. I had a very(!) simple ODT file created with LO. Only text and headings created with style sheets (german: "Formatvorlage"). Open and re-save that file with word "destroy" the structure of the style sheets and something more. e.g. "heading 1-3" becomes just "heading". I am sure you know such problems. I want to understand why it is that way? I am not so deep in the topic and in the documents about that. But I think OpenDocument is a well documented and specified standard. Right? As I described I observed that Word doesn't fit to that standard. But Word lie to the user and offer to open and save OpenDocument files. Of course I know why Microsoft software behave like that - destroying open and free standards. The question is why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument" that way? Isn't there a juristic way to restrict that? And is the OD-standard really so wishy-washy that the behaviour I described is fitted by the standard? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
