Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice rc2 torrent download?

[Frank Esposito]

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Christian Lohmaier <
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com >wrote:

> Fi Frank, *,
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Frank Esposito 
> wrote:
> > Is there a torrent download for the latest release candidate?
>
> Sure -
> http://tracker.documentfoundation.org:6969/index.html?search=rc2
>
> (just append ".torrent" to any http://download.documentfoundation.org
> download link)
>
> ciao
> Christian
>
> --
>


great! thanks! but I am wondering why this is hidden or misisng from the
main website.

much appreciated :)

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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice rc2 torrent download?

[Frank Esposito]

Is there a torrent download for the latest release candidate?

Currently it is taking 5 hours to download.

thanks
Frank

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Re: [tdf-discuss] portable version

[Frank Esposito]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Thomas Hofmann  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too?
>
> Did anybody know something about a portable version? Is it this
> difficult to setup one?
>
> best greetings, Thomas
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it should be released with the release version at portableapps.com

http://portableapps.com/node/25717


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

[Frank Esposito]

I think the present names are good, but I could also see a need to
differentiate from OO, especially if the plan is to rewrite LO and
take a very different path, thus making it a significantly different
application than its parent OO.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Changing toolbar Icons

[Frank Esposito]

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:35 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
> Tools -> Options -> LibreOffice -> View: under "Icon size and style"
> you have several icon themes to play with ;)
>

is this a Libre Office only feature? I do not have it on my portable OO 3.2.

 (**wishing for portable LO**)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Changing toolbar Icons

[Frank Esposito]

sweet! thanks, never knew that was there.

:)

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:35 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
> Tools -> Options -> LibreOffice -> View: under "Icon size and style"
> you have several icon themes to play with ;)
>
> 2010/12/1 Frank Esposito :
>> For LibreOffice 3.3 beta,
>>
>> Does anyone know if the toolbar Icons will be changed in future releases?
>>
>> Does anyone know if it is possible to change them in a current installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> just curious and I did not find this information on the wiki.
>>
>> -fe
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[tdf-discuss] Changing toolbar Icons

[Frank Esposito]

For LibreOffice 3.3 beta,

Does anyone know if the toolbar Icons will be changed in future releases?

Does anyone know if it is possible to change them in a current installation?



just curious and I did not find this information on the wiki.

-fe


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Three things to not forget to make LibreOffice (and ODF) succeed

[Frank Esposito]

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Phil Hibbs  wrote:
> Google Docs (and possibly other ODF implementations such as KOffice)
> compatability is also an issue. Are there ongoing efforts to get
> Google Docs to be more compatible with OOo/LibreOffice's
> implementation of ODF?
>
> For instance, in a Google Docs spreadsheet, any random number formulae
> are re-randomized every time anything changes in the spreadsheet. In
> OOo/LO, a value is only re-randomized when the cell itself is edited,
> which I think is a great improvement.
>
> Phil Hibbs.
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Another issue with Google docs is when you click to download a file,
it has an option called "OpenOffice" as a format option. As we all can
guess there is a problem here because
1. Openoffice is a product and not a format
2. this could confuse people who use Abiword, Koffice and LibreOffice
and simply want ODF (which is what the format is downloaded as).

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

[Frank Esposito]

> OOo has always been driven by developers, or - if you prefer - by technical
> people.


I think this is a valid and a clear dividing aspect of OO especially
when compared to MS and Apple products. MSO is developed and marketed
with the business user in mind, whereas Apple products are designed,
then developed then marketed. OO just seems to be developed and the
user and overall design are an afterthought.

just my thoughts.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

[Frank Esposito]

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Mirek M.  wrote:
>
> 2010/11/28 Sebastian G.  
>
> > I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others are
> > not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage data as well.
> >
> > Do you use the quick starter?


never used quickstarter, under windows it is disabled

Writer = 85%
Calc = 15%
Impress = 00%
Draw = 0.05%
Base = 0.01%
Math =0%


and i still am forced to use MSO word and Excel due to incompatibilities :(

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice 3.3 final & portable version

[Frank Esposito]

one, will be release by PortableApps in close colaboration with LibreOffice.
>
A portable version, if there will be


I posed this question the day LIbre launched and you can read the discussion
here:

http://portableapps.com/node/25074


apparently, Marko of the LibreOffice team is working on a portable version.
Let us hope this holds true as I am currently stuck using Portable 3.2 OOo
:(

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?

[Frank Esposito]

>
> As I see it, the problem here is that cool, useful extensions aren't being
> really exposed to most OOo/LibO users.
>


if they are really cool and useful (as this one is that was just pointed
out) then they should become standard features of part of an add-on pack.

imho...

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[tdf-discuss] Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?

[Frank Esposito]

Will this ever happen with Libre Office?

Google Launches Plugin That Fuses Microsoft Office With Google
Docs


just thoughts


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Re: [tdf-discuss] On the Future of TDF

[Frank Esposito]

> Oh, well, Windows may disappear before LibO! ;-)
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we can only hope

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: feature requests?

[Frank Esposito]

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Marc Paré  wrote:

> Le 2010-11-08 15:31, Frank Esposito a écrit :
>
>  Forgive me if this has been discussed already but...
>>
>> Is there a central place (on the wiki for example, --I could not find it)
>> or
>> ideatorrent site  where new ideas and feature requests are made for future
>> versions of LO?
>>
>> thanks
>> Frank
>>
>>
> We have talked about it for the Drupal site and it looks like we'll have
> one. It just depends on the format. You can read the thread here:
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg02698.html
>
> Marc
>
>
thank you Marc, I will have a look!

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[tdf-discuss] feature requests?

[Frank Esposito]

Forgive me if this has been discussed already but...

Is there a central place (on the wiki for example, --I could not find it) or
ideatorrent site  where new ideas and feature requests are made for future
versions of LO?

thanks
Frank

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: where do i submit bugs?

[Frank Esposito]

thanks chris and Gérard, and no i am not going to make new bugs :)

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[tdf-discuss] where do i submit bugs?

[Frank Esposito]

Although I have been a OO user for many years, I never really cared about
the development of the project because I thought Sun would never listen to
just one person. Then when Oracle bought Sun, I gave up on the product
entirely. Now however, with the document foundation, I actually see a real
chance that input from someone like me can actually help the project.

So I would like to help. Where can I submit bugs for Libre Office??

Thanks
-Frank

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Re: [tdf-discuss] x86_64 Windows build

[Frank Esposito]

Yes I am aware of some of the difficulties but I think this could be a nice
feature as OOo will most likely not be offering 64-bit Windows builds. And
since MSO 2010 is now available in 64bit

Just another feature to differentiate LO form OO (IMHO)


-fe



On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Andras Timar  wrote:

> 2010/11/4 Frank Esposito :
> > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, T. J. Brumfield  >wrote:
> >
> >> There is an open OOo bug that is over 5 years old.
> >>
> >> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=46594
> >>
> >> It seems that OOo developers felt this was an unnecessary feature.
> However,
> >> as users have commented in that bug report, the 32-bit version doesn't
> work
> >> in 64-bit Terminal Servers, and Microsoft does not ship a 32-bit server
> >> product anymore. Furthermore, Base can not connect to a 64-bit ODBC data
> >> source.
> >>
> >> Given that Microsoft has been shipping 64-bit operating systems for 7
> years
> >> now, and that there are legitimate use cases where OOo/LibO can't fufil
> >> user
> >> needs without a 64-bit Windows build, shouldn't this be reevaluated?
> >>
> >> And from a pure perception standpoint, it looks like OOo/LibO is behind
> MS
> >> Office in this regard, given that MS Office offers a 64-bit version.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > +2 for 64-bit builds
> >
> It is on the TODO list. It needs some porting efforts, however. It is
> not as simple as recompiling the source code with a 64-bit compiler.
>
> Regards,
> Andras
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Re: [tdf-discuss] x86_64 Windows build

[Frank Esposito]

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, T. J. Brumfield wrote:

> There is an open OOo bug that is over 5 years old.
>
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=46594
>
> It seems that OOo developers felt this was an unnecessary feature. However,
> as users have commented in that bug report, the 32-bit version doesn't work
> in 64-bit Terminal Servers, and Microsoft does not ship a 32-bit server
> product anymore. Furthermore, Base can not connect to a 64-bit ODBC data
> source.
>
> Given that Microsoft has been shipping 64-bit operating systems for 7 years
> now, and that there are legitimate use cases where OOo/LibO can't fufil
> user
> needs without a 64-bit Windows build, shouldn't this be reevaluated?
>
> And from a pure perception standpoint, it looks like OOo/LibO is behind MS
> Office in this regard, given that MS Office offers a 64-bit version.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>

+2 for 64-bit builds

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Re: [tdf-discuss] New Beta or RC soon?

[Frank Esposito]

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Robert Boehm wrote:

> On 11/03/2010 09:33 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
>
>> Robert Boehm wrote:
>>
>>> HI alljust wondering what the PLAN is before final release of LO
>>> 3.3.0.
>>>
>>>
>>

Will there be a portable version?


-fe

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Java dependency

[Frank Esposito]

> +1 for getting rid of java.
>

+2 for getting rid of java.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

[Frank Esposito]

> mostly because they can't afford (financially and timewise) the risk of
> having to re-train thousands of users with the productivity drop that this
> would involve
>


I have to say, if that was the case, then no one would have upped to
2007/2010. The last company I worked for who upgraded spent millions on
training and roll-out costs.


I just don't think corporations, especially the bigger ones trust "free"
software yet.


-fe

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[tdf-discuss] interesting article: Inside the OpenOffice.org coup

[Frank Esposito]

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/inside-the-openofficeorg-coup/7681
http://www.entirelyopensource.com/Blog-and-Opinion/Inside-the-OpenOffice-org-coup

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

[Frank Esposito]

No it is not typical, but every now and then you do get this kind of
message.

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Peter Rodwell  wrote:

> If this stupid comment is typical of this forum, then I'm out
> of here.
>
> P.
>
>
>
> On 02/11/2010 16:53, Robert Parker wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Peter Rodwell  wrote:
>>
>>> I have only today joined this discussion so I don't know whether this has
>>> already been discussed or not.
>>>
>>> There are two reasons why I have just paid money to upgrade to Office
>>> 2010
>>> instead of switching to OO/LO:
>>>
>>
>> Did Microsoft pay you to promote their agenda here?
>>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

[Frank Esposito]

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Peter Rodwell  wrote:

> I have only today joined this discussion so I don't know whether this has
> already been discussed or not.
>
> There are two reasons why I have just paid money to upgrade to Office 2010
> instead of switching to OO/LO:
>
> 1. Complete file compatibility. I frequently handle documents with very
> complex
> formatting. These come from my clients, all of whom use MS Office. I
> translate and edit the documents and return them. They *must* retain 100%
> of
> the original formatting. So far this has not been the case with Oo.
>
>
>
The point of the MSO-to-ODF and ODF-to-MSO converters not working 100% and
being a deal-breaker has been raised several times already. But I am not
sure as to what is being done as far as development. I think the devs are
just trying to clean up the existing code, work in long awaited patches and
stabilize for the 3.3 release right now.

But for the future, if LO is going to battle for market share with MSO,
(which the world currently uses now), the converters will have to be fixed.
There are two sides, Side one is that Microsoft does not follow standards
and ODF does so we should just make LO work to standards. Side two is we
should play Microsoft's game until we take their game away from them.

I see two priorities for long-term growth:
File compatibility should be a priority, in the very least opening and
saving MSO files with full compatibility

ODF adoption should also be a priority, the more LO can get the world to use
ODF instead of Microsft, the more people will use Libre/Open Office and the
more likely the chance Microsoft will have to fix their non-standards
compliant, broken file format.

just my thoughts

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

[Frank Esposito]

> For instance, the bug/feature request with the most votes for OOo is a SVG
> import filter. go-oo implemented that feature. I assume LibreOffice will
> include that patch.
>
>
LO included Go-oo patches, was this included?

If not, where can i vote for this, I have been waiting for this for a long
time!

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