Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
On 1.10.2010 15:25, Andre Schnabel wrote: > Hi, > > Original-Nachricht >> Von: Gianluca Turconi >> Should Germany be the chosen country in order to register the foundation >> or is that point a work in progress too? > It's in progress. > > We (speaking of OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. in this case) are happy > to be the interim backing for the Foundation activities - but it is not > our intention to "become the Foundation". > > Regarding the country - there are several things to be considered, like > strength of community (which is very good in France, Italy, Germany), local > law (esp. regarding taxes) ... > > We are currently working on more detailed plans - but we thougt, it was > quite unfair to set up a Foundation and tell everyone "that's it". > > André +1 -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
Hi Drew, Doug, Am 02.10.2010 06:32, schrieb Drew Jensen: Agreed - and to put it simply, then let's start the process of starting such an organization. You are welcome, and I think, there is real need for an organization in US. But (just advice from someone who is co-founder of two such organizations) - find the people to support your idea first. So look for community, talk with the people, get an idea how all of you want the ngo to be established and then simply do ;) André -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 21:26 -0700, Doug Bash wrote: > > --- On Fri, 10/1/10, Andre Schnabel wrote: > > From: Andre Schnabel > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"? > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:25 AM > > Hi, > > Original-Nachricht > > Von: Gianluca Turconi > > > > > Should Germany be the chosen country in order to register the foundation > > > or is that point a work in progress too? > > It's in progress. > > We (speaking of OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. in this case) are happy > to be the interim backing for the Foundation activities - but it is not > our intention to "become the Foundation". > > Regarding the country - there are several things to be considered, like > strength of community (which is very good in France, Italy, Germany), local > law (esp. regarding taxes) ... > > We are currently working on more detailed plans - but we thougt, it was > quite unfair to set up a Foundation and tell everyone "that's it". > > André > -- > Hi all; > > Thanks for beginning this undertaking. The user community is undoubtedly st > rongest in Europe, as Andre notes, but if this can be structured so that in > tegration with an American non-profit is somehow possible it will certainly > help overall growth. Open software adoption by library systems and other g > overnmental entities here, especially at a time of severe budgetary pres > sures, is being discussed in many venues and it is much easier to propose o > pen alternatives if representing some actual Entity rather than merely a Go > od Idea. > > Doug Bash > Hi Doug, Agreed - and to put it simply, then let's start the process of starting such an organization. Isn't really, in the end, just that simple. *smile* Doesn't need to be the organization, just the US organization. Sincerely, Drew Drew -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Andre Schnabel wrote: From: Andre Schnabel Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"? To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:25 AM Hi, Original-Nachricht > Von: Gianluca Turconi > > Should Germany be the chosen country in order to register the foundation > or is that point a work in progress too? It's in progress. We (speaking of OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. in this case) are happy to be the interim backing for the Foundation activities - but it is not our intention to "become the Foundation". Regarding the country - there are several things to be considered, like strength of community (which is very good in France, Italy, Germany), local law (esp. regarding taxes) ... We are currently working on more detailed plans - but we thougt, it was quite unfair to set up a Foundation and tell everyone "that's it". André -- Hi all; Thanks for beginning this undertaking. The user community is undoubtedly st rongest in Europe, as Andre notes, but if this can be structured so that in tegration with an American non-profit is somehow possible it will certainly help overall growth. Open software adoption by library systems and other g overnmental entities here, especially at a time of severe budgetary pres sures, is being discussed in many venues and it is much easier to propose o pen alternatives if representing some actual Entity rather than merely a Go od Idea. Doug Bash -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
> Original-Nachricht >> Von: Gianluca Turconi > >> >> Should Germany be the chosen country in order to register the foundation >> or is that point a work in progress too? > > It's in progress. > > We (speaking of OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. in this case) are happy > to be the interim backing for the Foundation activities - but it is not > our intention to "become the Foundation". > > Regarding the country - there are several things to be considered, like > strength of community (which is very good in France, Italy, Germany), local > law (esp. regarding taxes) ... > > We are currently working on more detailed plans - but we thougt, it was > quite unfair to set up a Foundation and tell everyone "that's it". > +1 -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
Hi, Original-Nachricht > Von: Gianluca Turconi > > Should Germany be the chosen country in order to register the foundation > or is that point a work in progress too? It's in progress. We (speaking of OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. in this case) are happy to be the interim backing for the Foundation activities - but it is not our intention to "become the Foundation". Regarding the country - there are several things to be considered, like strength of community (which is very good in France, Italy, Germany), local law (esp. regarding taxes) ... We are currently working on more detailed plans - but we thougt, it was quite unfair to set up a Foundation and tell everyone "that's it". André -- GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos! Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
Gianluca Turconi schrieb: > Sophie wrote: > >> Happy to see you here :) > > Me too! :) > >> Currently it's a group and the Foundation is not up yet, we will set i t >> up with the community members who wish to contribute to it. We are >> planing to write a charter, organization, governance, duties, etc... n ot >> only the small group who has launched the project, but all of the peop le >> who are willing to be part of the Foundation. > > ... > >> For the moment, the German association is helping us to structure the >> whole thing and have a legal backup, but we still have a lot of work t o >> move to an official foundation. > > OK, that's enough for me. Let's say we're in a transition period. > > Should Germany be the chosen country in order to register the foundatio n > or is that point a work in progress too? > IMO the situation now has a great advantage: Oracle, if they are willing to join, and all the other people and enterprises, who will join the next time, can participate in the discussion of the organisation of the foundation and legal topics from the very beginning. Regards Michael -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
Sophie wrote: Happy to see you here :) Me too! :) Currently it's a group and the Foundation is not up yet, we will set it up with the community members who wish to contribute to it. We are planing to write a charter, organization, governance, duties, etc... not only the small group who has launched the project, but all of the people who are willing to be part of the Foundation. ... For the moment, the German association is helping us to structure the whole thing and have a legal backup, but we still have a lot of work to move to an official foundation. OK, that's enough for me. Let's say we're in a transition period. Should Germany be the chosen country in order to register the foundation or is that point a work in progress too? Regards, Gianluca -- Tempesta e Passione sbarcano su Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Sturm-Drang-Gianluca-Turconi/dp/B002ACTPSE/ref=sr_1_79?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243410943&sr=1-79 Lettura gratuita o acquisto di libri e racconti di fantascienza, fantasy, horror, noir, narrativa fantastica e tradizionale: http://www.letturefantastiche.com/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
Alexander Thurgood wrote: Nice to see you are still around :-)), and those are useful questions that you raise;-) Hi, Alex! We're a bit older (nearly a decade, indeed!), but *both*, you and me, are still around. That's good, isn't it? ;-P I saw mention in one of the responses from one of the founding members that part of the monies would be/is going towards legal advice, so one would hope that a legal entity has indeed been created somewhere. Well, this is my main concern and, of course, hope. Otherwise *what* Oracle has been asked to join? I've heard from other people in my country that are confused about the whole foundation process too. For the time being, it's just too "foggy". Regards, Gianluca -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
I' ve got another question. is LibreOffice now a registered trademark? and in what countries? or international? best regards Karl-Heinz -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
Hi Gianluca, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Hello *, I'm a supporter and contributor of the OpenOffice.org Project since the very beginning (Yeah, I was there in 2000 :-) Happy to see you here :) I'm trying to have a full picture about what is happening. Is "The Document Foundation" a *real* Foundation, incorporated and registered in a specific country and governed by a specific law or is it still a international "group of people/different legal entities" without any legal unity? If the former is true, is there a Chart of the Foundation that explains duties/rights/organization/statutory purposes and so on? If it isn't true, is the present group preparing such Chart and will it file documents for registration in any country? Currently it's a group and the Foundation is not up yet, we will set it up with the community members who wish to contribute to it. We are planing to write a charter, organization, governance, duties, etc... not only the small group who has launched the project, but all of the people who are willing to be part of the Foundation. I've seen much confusion about money contributions and the relationship between this "Foundation" and the German OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V entity that, AFAIK, is a different legal entity. For the moment, the German association is helping us to structure the whole thing and have a legal backup, but we still have a lot of work to move to an official foundation. Sincerely, I really miss a big chunk of info about what *exactly* is/will be "The Document Foundation". Any clarification will be highly appreciated. I hope it's more clear now :) Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
Hi Gianluca, Nice to see you are still around :-)), and those are useful questions that you raise ;-) I saw mention in one of the responses from one of the founding members that part of the monies would be/is going towards legal advice, so one would hope that a legal entity has indeed been created somewhere. Alex Le 01/10/10 13:53, Gianluca Turconi a écrit : > Hello *, > > I'm a supporter and contributor of the OpenOffice.org Project since > the very beginning (Yeah, I was there in 2000 :-) > > I'm trying to have a full picture about what is happening. > > Is "The Document Foundation" a *real* Foundation, incorporated and > registered in a specific country and governed by a specific law or is > it still a international "group of people/different legal entities" > without any legal unity? > > If the former is true, is there a Chart of the Foundation that > explains duties/rights/organization/statutory purposes and so on? > > If it isn't true, is the present group preparing such Chart and will > it file documents for registration in any country? > > I've seen much confusion about money contributions and the > relationship between this "Foundation" and the German OpenOffice.org > Deutschland e.V entity that, AFAIK, is a different legal entity. > > Sincerely, I really miss a big chunk of info about what *exactly* > is/will be "The Document Foundation". > > Any clarification will be highly appreciated. > > TIA, > > Gianluca -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?
Hello *, I'm a supporter and contributor of the OpenOffice.org Project since the very beginning (Yeah, I was there in 2000 :-) I'm trying to have a full picture about what is happening. Is "The Document Foundation" a *real* Foundation, incorporated and registered in a specific country and governed by a specific law or is it still a international "group of people/different legal entities" without any legal unity? If the former is true, is there a Chart of the Foundation that explains duties/rights/organization/statutory purposes and so on? If it isn't true, is the present group preparing such Chart and will it file documents for registration in any country? I've seen much confusion about money contributions and the relationship between this "Foundation" and the German OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V entity that, AFAIK, is a different legal entity. Sincerely, I really miss a big chunk of info about what *exactly* is/will be "The Document Foundation". Any clarification will be highly appreciated. TIA, Gianluca -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
