Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
M. Henri Day wrote: Charles wrote: Now that we can find Bug 38244 under the section for voting on Enhancements to Writer, I'd like to ask everyone with an interest in this issue to please sign up and add your vote. If you use Track Changes to work with an editor, you probably need this feature! :-) Charles, I'm happy to hear that you were able to edit the page, but less happy that, despite signing in, I couldn't find any way to register my vote. A step-by-step for the intellectually challenged ?... Henri Henri, No problem, and you're not intellectually challenged at all: Their system is cumbersome. 1. Create an account for yourself at wiki.documentfoundation.org 2. Respond to the verification email 3. Wait some number of hours for your authorization to fully filter through their system. 4. Go to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement and log in. 5. Find the link for Bug 38244 in the Contents box and click on it. 6. When that bug appears onscreen, look to the far right for a link labeled [edit] and click it. 7. Find the line that says '''I disagree with that request ''' and right ABOVE it, add a new line that begins with a hash mark (#). Obviously, a vote below that line would count against us, so be careful! 8. Type your message. 9. Feel good that you have done something for all of humanity by helping to make Libre Office a stronger competitor to Microsoft Word. (LOL!) -- Charles . PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION: The information contained in this electronic transmission, and any documents attached hereto, may contain confidential information that is legally privileged and confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender and delete the electronic message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the information received in error is strictly prohibited. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
10. ... 11. Profit! Are there plans to improve it? I've seen easier government bureaucracy stuff than that... On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Charles Jenkins cejperso...@tec-usa.com wrote: M. Henri Day wrote: Charles wrote: Now that we can find Bug 38244 under the section for voting on Enhancements to Writer, I'd like to ask everyone with an interest in this issue to please sign up and add your vote. If you use Track Changes to work with an editor, you probably need this feature! :-) Charles, I'm happy to hear that you were able to edit the page, but less happy that, despite signing in, I couldn't find any way to register my vote. A step-by-step for the intellectually challenged ?... Henri Henri, No problem, and you're not intellectually challenged at all: Their system is cumbersome. 1. Create an account for yourself at wiki.documentfoundation.org 2. Respond to the verification email 3. Wait some number of hours for your authorization to fully filter through their system. 4. Go to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement and log in. 5. Find the link for Bug 38244 in the Contents box and click on it. 6. When that bug appears onscreen, look to the far right for a link labeled [edit] and click it. 7. Find the line that says '''I disagree with that request ''' and right ABOVE it, add a new line that begins with a hash mark (#). Obviously, a vote below that line would count against us, so be careful! 8. Type your message. 9. Feel good that you have done something for all of humanity by helping to make Libre Office a stronger competitor to Microsoft Word. (LOL!) -- Charles . PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION: The information contained in this electronic transmission, and any documents attached hereto, may contain confidential information that is legally privileged and confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender and delete the electronic message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the information received in error is strictly prohibited. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Cristoph wrote: What I'm currently unsure about - how to proceed. Although I'm not that convinced about voting, maybe it should be added to: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement I did it! The wiki finally let me edit the page! Now that we can find Bug 38244 under the section for voting on Enhancements to Writer, I'd like to ask everyone with an interest in this issue to please sign up and add your vote. If you use Track Changes to work with an editor, you probably need this feature! :-) -- Charles . PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION: The information contained in this electronic transmission, and any documents attached hereto, may contain confidential information that is legally privileged and confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender and delete the electronic message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the information received in error is strictly prohibited. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
2011/6/16 Charles Jenkins cejperso...@tec-usa.com Cristoph wrote: What I'm currently unsure about - how to proceed. Although I'm not that convinced about voting, maybe it should be added to: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement I did it! The wiki finally let me edit the page! Now that we can find Bug 38244 under the section for voting on Enhancements to Writer, I'd like to ask everyone with an interest in this issue to please sign up and add your vote. If you use Track Changes to work with an editor, you probably need this feature! :-) Charles, I'm happy to hear that you were able to edit the page, but less happy that, despite signing in, I couldn't find any way to register my vote. A step-by-step for the intellectually challenged ?... Henri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Christoph Noack wrote: Mmh, seems that might be me :-) I added this and several other EasyHacks related to OOoNotes2 - our activities related to comments at OpenOffice.org. Search in bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedshort_desc=OOoNotes2bug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDshort_desc_type=allwordssubstr Wonderful, thanks a lot! The cumbersome side of life: the whiteboard can only be added after the bug has been initially committed Seems to be a shortcoming of bugzilla - dunno if that's configurable. I think it should be MAILMERGE (with R), or? Fixed, thanks for noting. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Cristoph wrote: What I'm currently unsure about - how to proceed. Although I'm not that convinced about voting, maybe it should be added to: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement Could you do that, please? Well, I tried to. I made an account, got my email confirmed, closed and reopened my browser -- but no matter what, I still can't edit that Wiki page. It looks like the page is protected so that only Administrators may make changes. -- Charles . PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION: The information contained in this electronic transmission, and any documents attached hereto, may contain confidential information that is legally privileged and confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender and delete the electronic message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the information received in error is strictly prohibited. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Hi Thorsten, all! Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2011, 17:21 +0200 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Christoph Noack wrote: Mmh, I'm CCing Thorsten who may know whether/how this could be turned into some easy/advanced/serious hack ... Since I'm currently not that active, I don't really know what the current hack status is. Thorsten, could you please have a look at that? Hi Chris, all, well, the how is explained here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/EasyHacks_Bugzilla_Migration Thanks a lot! Can someone posting in this thread familiar with the scenario please collect the available information within a bug report fill the appropriate whiteboard entries? Mmh, seems that might be me :-) I added this and several other EasyHacks related to OOoNotes2 - our activities related to comments at OpenOffice.org. Search in bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedshort_desc=OOoNotes2bug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDshort_desc_type=allwordssubstr The cumbersome side of life: the whiteboard can only be added after the bug has been initially committed Do you know where to forward this feedback - there is also another one: If you select Writer as component, then the following text appears ... For all problems concerning the Word Processor including HTML editor. If applicable, please use one of the following key words in the Summary for more detailed specification: CONFIGURATION, EDITING, FILEOPEN, FILESAVE, FORMATTING, MAILMEGE, TABLES, PRINTING, UI, VIEWING. I think it should be MAILMERGE (with R), or? Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Ian Lynch mailto:ianrly...@gmail.com June 12, 2011 11:51 AM Even better if it was on the web so that documents could be created collaboratively ;-) Yes, that would be extremely nice, but given the many millions of people who have sporadic and/or slow connections, I would vote for first polishing up the collaboration features in the desktop app. (if i have/had a vote somewhere) kazar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Thank you for everyone who commented on this. I'm actually getting a little misty because you liked my idea... Cristoph, heck, yes! Your proposal is perfect. If only, if only we had that, I could delete Word off my Mac and have a party to celebrate. Will you be posting the bug proposal as Thorsten suggested, or should I learn how to do it? -- Charles . PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION: The information contained in this electronic transmission, and any documents attached hereto, may contain confidential information that is legally privileged and confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender and delete the electronic message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the information received in error is strictly prohibited. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Hi Charles! Am Montag, den 13.06.2011, 09:43 -0400 schrieb Charles Jenkins: Thank you for everyone who commented on this. I'm actually getting a little misty because you liked my idea... Cristoph, heck, yes! Your proposal is perfect. If only, if only we had that, I could delete Word off my Mac and have a party to celebrate. I will remember you to do that ;-))) Will you be posting the bug proposal as Thorsten suggested, or should I learn how to do it? Oh, only a few minutes before you sent this mail I announced the issues - here is the one related to comment ranges: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38244 All notes related easy hacks: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedshort_desc=OOoNotes2bug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDshort_desc_type=allwordssubstr What I'm currently unsure about - how to proceed. Although I'm not that convinced about voting, maybe it should be added to: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement Could you do that, please? Any other opinions? Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Hi Kazar! Am Samstag, den 11.06.2011, 20:09 -0400 schrieb adept techlists - kazar: Christoph Noack wrote: Quite some time ago, I defined the corresponding behavior so that it matches which the today's notes. The visual design: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Notes2_Design_NoteAnchor#Proposal_.22Boxes_.28Note_Anchor_Area.29.22 The behavior when inserting notes / editing text: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Notes_Design_WorkingWithNotes#Proposed_Designs perfect. Not a developer (so what good am i :-)) but I can say, these mockups represent what is really needed. Thanks ... but I am also a bit sad that this stuff had been discussed over three years ago and is still lying around. Mmh, I'm CCing Thorsten who may know whether/how this could be turned into some easy/advanced/serious hack ... Since I'm currently not that active, I don't really know what the current hack status is. Thorsten, could you please have a look at that? Cheers, christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
I'll just add the point from a philosophical standpoint that almost more than enabling all humans to create documents (presos etc.), is enabling humans to work together. kazar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Christoph Noack wrote: Mmh, I'm CCing Thorsten who may know whether/how this could be turned into some easy/advanced/serious hack ... Since I'm currently not that active, I don't really know what the current hack status is. Thorsten, could you please have a look at that? Hi Chris, all, well, the how is explained here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/EasyHacks_Bugzilla_Migration Can someone posting in this thread familiar with the scenario please collect the available information within a bug report fill the appropriate whiteboard entries? Thanks, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
On 12 June 2011 14:57, adept techlists - kazar techli...@ade.pt wrote: I'll just add the point from a philosophical standpoint that almost more than enabling all humans to create documents (presos etc.), is enabling humans to work together. Even better if it was on the web so that documents could be created collaboratively ;-) Pity we couldn't get LO and OOo to cooperate to establish one project to carry on with the desktop project and another to develop a web based project to rival and improve on Google Docs. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Hi Charles, hi Cor! Am Samstag, den 11.06.2011, 01:50 +0200 schrieb Cor Nouws: Charles Jenkins wrote (10-06-11 20:03) In LibreOffice, it appears that comments always have zero length. I would have sworn I had seen it with a selection somewhere. But maybe it only was on the old OOo wiki (1) about the notes feature? True, so called Notes Anchors are currently special (invisible) characters being embedded in the text. Sadly, there is no Notes Anchor Area ... although (as fas as I now) ODF would support that. Quite some time ago, I defined the corresponding behavior so that it matches which the today's notes. The visual design: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Notes2_Design_NoteAnchor#Proposal_.22Boxes_.28Note_Anchor_Area.29.22 The behavior when inserting notes / editing text: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Notes_Design_WorkingWithNotes#Proposed_Designs By the way, the current Note Anchors really need some improvement ... so if there is any developer willing to work on that. That would be awesome! I'm happy to help (with the non-developer tasks *g*). Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Charles Jenkins mailto:cejperso...@tec-usa.com June 10, 2011 2:03 PM Truly, I beg you to add comment ranges in LibreOffice so I can stop using Word altogether for writing. I concur. Not only for writer/editor situations, but for all kinds of scenarios in which humans need to collaborate on a document. The key roadblock for using LibreOffice when I head up a team is exactly the need for a feature that makes it possible to mark off the text about which one is commenting. Charles really made the case. kazar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Christoph Noack wrote: Quite some time ago, I defined the corresponding behavior so that it matches which the today's notes. The visual design: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Notes2_Design_NoteAnchor#Proposal_.22Boxes_.28Note_Anchor_Area.29.22 The behavior when inserting notes / editing text: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Notes_Design_WorkingWithNotes#Proposed_Designs perfect. Not a developer (so what good am i :-)) but I can say, these mockups represent what is really needed. kazar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
As a fiction writer, I currently must use Microsoft Word on the Mac to exchange documents with editors, because Track Changes and commenting features are a necessity. In Microsoft Word, an editor can mark a section of text and add a comment like, This is redundant. Recommend deletion. When I click on the highlighted range, I see the comment and can make my decision accordingly. In LibreOffice, it appears that comments always have zero length. If I were to open my editor's document and encounter This is redundant. Recommend deletion, I would have to guess at which range of text she meant to point out. We've all heard smarmy people say, You need to add feature X or I won't use your stupid program. That's not where I'm coming from. But I do feel that the lack of comment ranges which appear as highlighted text in the document is a serious deficiency that will hinder LibreOffice's adoption by people who work with editors and publishers. This is a great shame because the tracking and commenting features otherwise work much better in LibreOffice than in Word. I cannot express how much I hate Word for all the bugs in its commenting features -- bugs which have existed and gone unaddressed through at least three versions now. Truly, I beg you to add comment ranges in LibreOffice so I can stop using Word altogether for writing. . PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION: The information contained in this electronic transmission, and any documents attached hereto, may contain confidential information that is legally privileged and confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender and delete the electronic message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the information received in error is strictly prohibited. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Well, Charles, I also write fiction and publishers can be swine, I admit - but I also write for journals and you should see editors! With care, I do manage to use LibreOffice, and earlier OpenOffice, throughout though I agree they don't all like it. My attitude is that slowly we will get them to switch especially since we can read and write Word formats. Not perfectly, but we can do it. We also have a great range of add-ons that are perfect for the writer to use (I am particularly fond of the Writer's Tools from LibreOffice and Screenwright from the Open Office extensions at the moment). You have, though, highlighted the one area where there are problems because editors and proofreaders everywhere do like to use the revisions tools - and we can't. Not so easily anyway. But how would you change what we already have? On 10/06/2011 19:03, Charles Jenkins wrote: As a fiction writer, I currently must use Microsoft Word on the Mac to exchange documents with editors, because Track Changes and commenting features are a necessity. In Microsoft Word, an editor can mark a section of text and add a comment like, This is redundant. Recommend deletion. When I click on the highlighted range, I see the comment and can make my decision accordingly. In LibreOffice, it appears that comments always have zero length. If I were to open my editor's document and encounter This is redundant. Recommend deletion, I would have to guess at which range of text she meant to point out. [snip] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Charles Jenkins wrote (10-06-11 20:03) In LibreOffice, it appears that comments always have zero length. I would have sworn I had seen it with a selection somewhere. But maybe it only was on the old OOo wiki (1) about the notes feature? Regards, Cor 1) http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Notes2 -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
