Re: [tdf-discuss] German Foreign Office is dropping only open source software policy

2011-05-14 Thread Ian Lynch

  Also the guidance was poor and the apps did not get updated for years. So
 the endusers in the diplomatic services
 got displeased more and more, but the responsible persons in
 the administration choose the wrong way out.
 This is the short version, you can read a bit more at the H :

 http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/German-Foreign-Office-explains-open-source-elimination-1241804.html


All this really highlights is the danger of government lock-in to single
commercial interests.

The snag with an all-encompassing monopoly is that if it goes wrong and it's
the established way, people will say oh that is just the way it is with
technology. If it goes wrong after a change from the established system
they say We need the established system. National education systems should
be teaching the underlying principles of technology and it's commercial
ramifications, particularly at government level. Changing technology is
easy, changing people and their attitudes is not.
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[tdf-discuss] German Foreign Office is dropping only open source software policy

2011-05-13 Thread plino
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/227849/open_source_advocates_angry_at_german_govt_decision.html

This isn't even about OpenOffice vs LibreOffice... It's about Closed Source
vs Open Source

TBH I think it was a bad move to change radically if you have experienced
and productive users trained on whatever program (regardless of the
license). 

Also, if you need professional support you can't just move to Open Source,
let alone a Linux distro that was still being developed...

Could it be that it took them 6 years to realize that?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] German Foreign Office is dropping only open source software policy

2011-05-13 Thread Olav Dahlum
On 13/05/11 20:02, plino wrote:
 http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/227849/open_source_advocates_angry_at_german_govt_decision.html
 
 This isn't even about OpenOffice vs LibreOffice... It's about Closed Source
 vs Open Source
 
 TBH I think it was a bad move to change radically if you have experienced
 and productive users trained on whatever program (regardless of the
 license). 
 
 Also, if you need professional support you can't just move to Open Source,
 let alone a Linux distro that was still being developed...
 
 Could it be that it took them 6 years to realize that?
 
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A bit offtopic of course, but what a waste! Suse have been there all the
time and I'm pretty sure Redhat have a regional office serving Germany.
So I think this cooks down to mismanagement above everything else...

-Olav

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Re: [tdf-discuss] German Foreign Office is dropping only open source software policy

2011-05-13 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi,

2011/5/13 plino pedl...@gmail.com:
 http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/227849/open_source_advocates_angry_at_german_govt_decision.html

 This isn't even about OpenOffice vs LibreOffice... It's about Closed Source
 vs Open Source

 TBH I think it was a bad move to change radically if you have experienced
 and productive users trained on whatever program (regardless of the
 license).

 Also, if you need professional support you can't just move to Open Source,
 let alone a Linux distro that was still being developed...

 Could it be that it took them 6 years to realize that?

There were much articles about this in the german press these days and
the government has to answer some questions which had been asked from
the opposition in parliament.
The main problem was that the OpenSource strategy was half-hearted as
the end-user had to work with dual-boot systems, some applications on
Windows, some on Linux. Also the guidance was poor and the apps did
not get updated for years. So the endusers in the diplomatic services
got displeased more and more, but the responsible persons in the
administration choose the wrong way out.
This is the short version, you can read a bit more at the H :
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/German-Foreign-Office-explains-open-source-elimination-1241804.html

Bye

Volker

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Re: [tdf-discuss] German Foreign Office is dropping only open source software policy

2011-05-13 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi plino, *,

plino schrieb:

 
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/227849/open_source_advocates_angry_at_german_govt_decision.html

 This isn't even about OpenOffice vs LibreOffice... It's about Closed
 Source vs Open Source

right..

 TBH I think it was a bad move to change radically if you have
 experienced and productive users trained on whatever program
 (regardless of the license).

agreed - but I think this wasn't the real reason.

 Also, if you need professional support you can't just move to Open
 Source, let alone a Linux distro that was still being developed...

I think this can't been estimated without viewing on the political
situation. Two Years ago FDP's Guido Westerwelle became boss of the
foreign office. The FDP (Free Domocratic Party) is known to serve a
special clientele. So shortly after the elections the sales tax for
hoteliers was lowered on the food products level (7% instead of 19%).

 Could it be that it took them 6 years to realize that?

No, it was two years to schedule the change after the change.
For me no question, who was the gostwriter of the reasoning - there is a
big company we know that kind of arguing from..



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