Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Hi Mirek, On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: [] I think a better solution would be to: a) offer to download and install missing open-source fonts (using open-source fonts would be an advantage here): quick mockup at http://clickortap.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/citrus-question.png b) replace fonts with fonts the same typeface (serif, sans-serif, mono) and as similar metrics as possible (this might already be the current way of doing things) Good points, and a great idea! However, it would require LibO to keep some kind of record of known open source fonts somewhere - most likely locally with links to online sources. That wouldn't be a problem with commonly known fonts, but I don't know if there is a universal directory of open source fonts out there - more likely they are scattered around various sources which makes things a bit more difficult :(. As a UI/UX suggestion though, I think it's worth looking into. Regards, Ivan. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Personally I would like to see active discouragement of the use of Times New Roman, Georgia, Verdana, Arial, Calibri, Cambia, etc. as they are restricted to Microsoft product use only, resulting in impossible verbatim compatibility. My concern is this: Several years ago I started using Garamond on almost everything - long before I knew is was MS. I have many old documents that use it. I have Garamond installed on Ubuntu for that reason. I can easily use jGaramond and tell Writer at my end to subsitute Garamond with jGaramond. However, if I send a document to a Windows user they probably do not have jGaramond. If I have selected jGaramond at my end, it is likely to be rendered as Times New Roman at the reciever. An easy way to specify: 1- font to use at my end; 2- preferred replacement font, if (1) is not available would be good. - kinda like the way I tell my phone to use Meteor when in Ireland, and if that is not available, to use O2. If this is already possible, please reply politely to tell me to RTFM and I'll be quiet! TIA, z -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
2010/12/6 Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.com Personally I would like to see active discouragement of the use of Times New Roman, Georgia, Verdana, Arial, Calibri, Cambia, etc. as they are restricted to Microsoft product use only, resulting in impossible verbatim compatibility. My concern is this: Several years ago I started using Garamond on almost everything - long before I knew is was MS. I have many old documents that use it. I have Garamond installed on Ubuntu for that reason. I can easily use jGaramond and tell Writer at my end to subsitute Garamond with jGaramond. However, if I send a document to a Windows user they probably do not have jGaramond. If I have selected jGaramond at my end, it is likely to be rendered as Times New Roman at the reciever. An easy way to specify: 1- font to use at my end; 2- preferred replacement font, if (1) is not available would be good. The problem with this is that a) you can never know what fonts the reader will have installed (e.g. if you used Calibri and the replacement font is Arial, Linux users won't get either font) b) you will have to make sure your document looks good with both original and replaced fonts I think a better solution would be to: a) offer to download and install missing open-source fonts (using open-source fonts would be an advantage here): quick mockup at http://clickortap.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/citrus-question.png b) replace fonts with fonts the same typeface (serif, sans-serif, mono) and as similar metrics as possible (this might already be the current way of doing things) Also, if the user options to do so, instead of installing fonts on the machine, how about just automatically pulling them off the internet, and when the user is done with the document, simply deleting them? This would make it effortless to view a document with various open-source fonts that you don't have installed on your system. - kinda like the way I tell my phone to use Meteor when in Ireland, and if that is not available, to use O2. If this is already possible, please reply politely to tell me to RTFM and I'll be quiet! TIA, z -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Mirek M. skrev: 'm really against a special LibO font. What the open-source community should be doing is ensuring that a select few open-source fonts are available in as many places as possible. Just like documents written with Times/Arial/Courier fonts are readable basically everywhere, documents with Bitstream Vera or Liberation fonts should be readable everywhere, too. +1 I would see Verdana as one of the pre-installed fonts aswell. The most enjoyable greetings -- .: Claus Agerskov :: c...@agercon.dk :: 27 59 69 96 :. .: Robinievej 129 :: 2620 Albertslund :. .: AgerCon :: www.agercon.dk :. .: Konsulentydelser inden for åbne standarder og fri software :. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Michael Wheatland skrev: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Claus Agerskov c...@agercon.dk wrote: I would see Verdana as one of the pre-installed fonts aswell. -1 Verdana is a proprietary Microsoft font. Sorry, didn't knew that. Then it is also a -1 from me to my own suggestion. The most enjoyable greetings -- .: Claus Agerskov :: c...@agercon.dk :: 27 59 69 96 :. .: Robinievej 129 :: 2620 Albertslund :. .: AgerCon :: www.agercon.dk :. .: Konsulentydelser inden for åbne standarder og fri software :. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Hello Early this year FlashCounter published a statistic showed popularity OOo in selected countries. We found out that it had 22% in Poland and Czech Republic and 21% in Germany. http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html http://ooblog.pl/2010/02/06/polska-swiatowym-liderem-we-wdrozeniu-openoffice/(polish) The study relies on extricating fonts installed on the system and identify the installed Office suites. For OOo it's OpenSymbol and for MSO it's Calibri. I think LibreOffice should have own unique font (not RedHat Liberation Fonts). It can be ugly and useless but should be to next compare in future. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:55:18 +0100 Subject: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont From: mzasu...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Hello Early this year FlashCounter published a statistic showed popularity OOo in selected countries. We found out that it had 22% in Poland and Czech Republic and 21% in Germany. http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html http://ooblog.pl/2010/02/06/polska-swiatowym-liderem-we-wdrozeniu-openoffice/(polish) The study relies on extricating fonts installed on the system and identify the installed Office suites. For OOo it's OpenSymbol and for MSO it's Calibri. I think LibreOffice should have own unique font (not RedHat Liberation Fonts). It can be ugly and useless but should be to next compare in future. That's a ingenious idea!!! What's about this font: LINK Kind regards Florian Reisinger Linz Austria -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
This is the right link: http://fontstruct.fontshop.com/fontstructions/show/332612Kind regards Florian Reisinger Linz Austria -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Hi Florian, *, Florian Reisinger schrieb: This is the right link: http://fontstruct.fontshop.com/fontstructions/show/332612Kind regards I get: Sign In http://fontstruct.fontshop.com/sign_in/show_fontstruction Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Hi Mateusz, *, Mateusz Zasuwik schrieb: Friedrich Strohmaier schrieb: I get: Sign In http://fontstruct.fontshop.com/sign_in/show_fontstruction Try http://fontstruct.fontshop.com/fontstructions/show/332612 ;) works better! Thanks :o)) Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Hi Mateusz, everyone, 2010/11/19 Mateusz Zasuwik mzasu...@gmail.com Hello Early this year FlashCounter published a statistic showed popularity OOo in selected countries. We found out that it had 22% in Poland and Czech Republic and 21% in Germany. http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html http://ooblog.pl/2010/02/06/polska-swiatowym-liderem-we-wdrozeniu-openoffice/(polish) The study relies on extricating fonts installed on the system and identify the installed Office suites. For OOo it's OpenSymbol and for MSO it's Calibri. I think LibreOffice should have own unique font (not RedHat Liberation Fonts). It can be ugly and useless but should be to next compare in future. I'm really against a special LibO font. What the open-source community should be doing is ensuring that a select few open-source fonts are available in as many places as possible. Just like documents written with Times/Arial/Courier fonts are readable basically everywhere, documents with Bitstream Vera or Liberation fonts should be readable everywhere, too. If a font is ugly and useless, then it really has no place in LibO. Even if it was good-looking, all a special LibO font would do is cause documents written with this font to look wrong on any system without LibO installed. LibO should do whatever's best for the user. Besides, why would LibO need to have separate statistics from OOo? Even if Oracle's in charge, OOo is still a brother project to LibO, an ally, not an enemy. Lastly, fonts aren't a very good indicator of which suites are installed: open-source fonts are usually freely downloadable and installable (which is good, because if you have a document in that font, you actually get to see what it's intended to look like). I myself have installed fonts such as the Droid fonts, the Chrome OS fonts, the Ubuntu font, etc. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
What if someone decided to generate statistics with another metric, like identifying what office suites are installed? Then would you want to change the install process to make it look different from OO? Just because FlashCounter found a dumb way to collect statistics doesn't mean you have to do something dumber. Dave. From: Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 4:13:22 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont Hi Mateusz, everyone, 2010/11/19 Mateusz Zasuwik mzasu...@gmail.com Hello Early this year FlashCounter published a statistic showed popularity OOo in selected countries. We found out that it had 22% in Poland and Czech Republic and 21% in Germany. http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html l http://ooblog.pl/2010/02/06/polska-swiatowym-liderem-we-wdrozeniu-openoffice/(polish) ) The study relies on extricating fonts installed on the system and identify the installed Office suites. For OOo it's OpenSymbol and for MSO it's Calibri. I think LibreOffice should have own unique font (not RedHat Liberation Fonts). It can be ugly and useless but should be to next compare in future. I'm really against a special LibO font. What the open-source community should be doing is ensuring that a select few open-source fonts are available in as many places as possible. Just like documents written with Times/Arial/Courier fonts are readable basically everywhere, documents with Bitstream Vera or Liberation fonts should be readable everywhere, too. If a font is ugly and useless, then it really has no place in LibO. Even if it was good-looking, all a special LibO font would do is cause documents written with this font to look wrong on any system without LibO installed. LibO should do whatever's best for the user. Besides, why would LibO need to have separate statistics from OOo? Even if Oracle's in charge, OOo is still a brother project to LibO, an ally, not an enemy. Lastly, fonts aren't a very good indicator of which suites are installed: open-source fonts are usually freely downloadable and installable (which is good, because if you have a document in that font, you actually get to see what it's intended to look like). I myself have installed fonts such as the Droid fonts, the Chrome OS fonts, the Ubuntu font, etc. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Just because FlashCounter found a dumb way to collect statistics doesn't mean you have to do something dumber. Dave. LOL but still +1 Beautiful timeless fonts are difficult and to create, you can't just throw them together like that font building website suggests. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 10:45 +0930, Michael Wheatland wrote: Just because FlashCounter found a dumb way to collect statistics doesn't mean you have to do something dumber. Dave. LOL but still +1 Beautiful timeless fonts are difficult and to create, you can't just throw them together like that font building website suggests. I think though the original idea was to use the font as a marker (a font not expected to be widely.,..errr..appreciated ... might actually aid in that) - problem I have with that is, although I understand how the ideas comes about, I'm worried it has 'totally misconstrued' written all over it. Placing a marker in the binary distro, just as a marker, so we could setup fly by counting services at some cooperative web sites...think about that for second and how you know some folks would react...it wouldn't be pretty. my .02 worth anyway Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
