[tdf-discuss] Re: Feature Request: Mac Osx Lion

2011-07-17 Thread Larry Gusaas


On 2011/07/17 10:06 AM  Robert Derman wrote:

Laurence Jeloudev wrote:

Hi,

I was wondering if Libreoffice would implement an auto save feature in
os x lion and full screen app support, or maybe an auto save feature
that is similar but it can also be Implemented in other operating
systems like ubuntu or windows where the user does not have to worry
about saving a document at all?
LibreOffice and OpenOffice before it have had an auto save function built in for years.  It 
is so completely integrated that many users are not even aware of it.  I believe that it is 
set to auto save every 5 minutes by default.

Auto Save and Versions on Lion do a lot more than just do a basic backup. For 
details see:
http://www.apple.com/ca/macosx/whats-new/auto-save.html

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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-24 Thread Kürti László
 There are free fonts for all sorts of special needs, for example the STIX
 family of fonts includes every symbol and character for the entire universe
 of scientific/technical publishing.

That is true, but what will happen when you send .pdf with those fonts to 
windows desktop or MAC. You see it on the monitor but not able to print at all 
:(

too bad
Laszlo

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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-23 Thread aqualung
A postscript:

Free does not necessarily mean lower quality. Some beautiful free fonts
that I have on my system include
- Yanone Kaffeesatz
- Lavoisier
- Ubuntu
- and of course the terrific Linux Libertine G and Linux Biolinum G

There are free fonts for all sorts of special needs, for example the STIX
family of fonts includes every symbol and character for the entire universe
of scientific/technical publishing.

P.S.: Sorry if I sometimes write OOo inadvertently, I do realize this is a
LibreOffice Board!

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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-23 Thread aqualung
P.P.S.: And of course, even when both the sender and the recipient have the
same font installed on their system, there still is no iron-clad guarantee
that both will see the exact same thing on their computer screen, due to the
variety of display schemes (ClearType sub-pixel rendering etc.) in
circulation.

So, the Holy Grail is not achievable, only incremental improvements.

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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-22 Thread aqualung

Italo Vignoli wrote:
 
 I was working as a consultant for Adobe at that time, and I have been 
 the PDF spokeperson for Europe for several years.
 
 It is true that many years have gone by, but fonts are handled by 
 operating systems in the same way. If they are not installed in their 
 specific folder at boot time, they cannot be used for editing documents.
 
 
Straight from the horse's mouth...  

Leaving aside the question of the font embedding that Microsoft Word offers,
exactly, it appears that font embedding in OOo isn't going to happen.

Still, how should people proceed who want to be sure their document appears
exactly the same across platforms and regardless of what fonts are installed
on the recipient's system?

It appears they have four options:

- Save to PDF (but this won't be editable except with Adobe Acrobat)
- Save to .odt and use only the most widely used fonts 
- Save to .odt and use a relatively less common font, then send this font
together with document file (only legal if the font's license permits, which
some do), or
- Save to .odt and point recipient to websites where font can be legally and
freely downloaded.

If it isn't going to be a feature in OOo, then perhaps the Help could be
expanded to explain these options? (If no expert is available for this task,
I would volunteer to do a first draft... but I'm strictly a novice at this.)

Many websites and pages tackle the topic of typography. I have about two
dozen bookmarks in my Firefox of type websites including repositories with
free fonts (I think the most liberal license is called SIL) and typography
education.

Recently, for example,  http://mashable.com/2011/03/04/typography-resources/
mashable.com  published an article listing eight such websites.

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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 20/03/2011 23:25, aqualung a écrit :
 Thank you, that is very clear.

 I am still not understanding Charles' comment.
Charles meant that embedded fonts is not really a problem for the
software but must be first adressed by the OpenDocument format which is
not under the control of LibreOffice.

Have a nice day
JBF


 Steve Edmonds wrote:
 Hi. sorry, this is probably my imprecise english. By suite I meant the 
 LO suite (group) of products, were font embedding in files to be 
 extended to more than writer. Otherwise, if font embedding is limited to 
 writer (odt files) then suite should be replaced with writer.

 To clarify further, by embedding fonts, I mean embedding them in the 
 document file as a font, not embedding them in the document as some 
 coded character.

 Cheers, steve


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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Thanks Jean-Baptiste, yes, that's what I meant :-)

Charles.

2011/3/21 Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@orange.fr

 Le 20/03/2011 23:25, aqualung a écrit :
  Thank you, that is very clear.
 
  I am still not understanding Charles' comment.
 Charles meant that embedded fonts is not really a problem for the
 software but must be first adressed by the OpenDocument format which is
 not under the control of LibreOffice.

 Have a nice day
 JBF

 
  Steve Edmonds wrote:
  Hi. sorry, this is probably my imprecise english. By suite I meant the
  LO suite (group) of products, were font embedding in files to be
  extended to more than writer. Otherwise, if font embedding is limited to
  writer (odt files) then suite should be replaced with writer.
 
  To clarify further, by embedding fonts, I mean embedding them in the
  document file as a font, not embedding them in the document as some
  coded character.
 
  Cheers, steve
 
 
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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Mirek M.
Hi everyone,
I believe this would be better solved with LibreOffice integration with
online font repositories, like openfontlibrary.org,
theleagueofmoveabletype.com or Google Web
Fontshttp://www.google.com/webfonts.
If I received a document with a font I don't have installed, LibO should
look it up in these repositories and, if it's available, ask me to install
it (or install it automatically, based on my settings).

This would bolster the use of open-source fonts as well as relieve the user
of the uncomfortable task of having to search online for fonts he doesn't
have.

And compared to bundling fonts with a file, this saves space by avoiding
duplication.

2011/3/21 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org

 Thanks Jean-Baptiste, yes, that's what I meant :-)

 Charles.

 2011/3/21 Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@orange.fr

  Le 20/03/2011 23:25, aqualung a écrit :
   Thank you, that is very clear.
  
   I am still not understanding Charles' comment.
  Charles meant that embedded fonts is not really a problem for the
  software but must be first adressed by the OpenDocument format which is
  not under the control of LibreOffice.
 
  Have a nice day
  JBF
 
  
   Steve Edmonds wrote:
   Hi. sorry, this is probably my imprecise english. By suite I meant the
   LO suite (group) of products, were font embedding in files to be
   extended to more than writer. Otherwise, if font embedding is limited
 to
   writer (odt files) then suite should be replaced with writer.
  
   To clarify further, by embedding fonts, I mean embedding them in the
   document file as a font, not embedding them in the document as some
   coded character.
  
   Cheers, steve
  
  
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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread aqualung
O.K., so is everyone now in agreement that there is no legal problem
embedding a font that explicitly licenses itself to be embedded?

I am new here and am a bit mystified at the way discussion seems to move,
with inapposite answers to comments and then the point gets lost along the
way.

This  https://www.adobe.com/type/browser/info/embedding.html Adobe page 
lists the four levels of permissions granted (or not, as the case may be) by
a font's license. (However, according to 
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/634966?decorator=printdisplayFullThread=true
this forum discussion , installable embedding is only a theoretical, not a
practical option for lack of any software that actually performs this.

Legal matters aside, I like the idea of an online font repository and
downloading from there as needed.

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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Jason Corfman
One other problem with embedding the font in the file (which I didn't see
anyone bring up, and if they did, I apologize) is it would increase the file
size for the document. That isn't much of a concern with a single document,
but if you have a couple thousand documents, each with the same font(s)
embedded, that would take up a lot of unneccessary space.

I do like the idea of an online font repository where the font can be
downloaded as needed, although logistically, I'm a little unsure how that
wold work. I'd also be concerned about whether that would force the user to
only use the fonts in the repository.


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On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:44 PM, aqualung xfekdcugj...@mailinator.comwrote:

 O.K., so is everyone now in agreement that there is no legal problem
 embedding a font that explicitly licenses itself to be embedded?

 I am new here and am a bit mystified at the way discussion seems to move,
 with inapposite answers to comments and then the point gets lost along the
 way.

 This  https://www.adobe.com/type/browser/info/embedding.html Adobe page
 lists the four levels of permissions granted (or not, as the case may be)
 by
 a font's license. (However, according to

 http://forums.adobe.com/thread/634966?decorator=printdisplayFullThread=true
 this forum discussion , installable embedding is only a theoretical, not
 a
 practical option for lack of any software that actually performs this.

 Legal matters aside, I like the idea of an online font repository and
 downloading from there as needed.

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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Steve Edmonds


On 22/03/11 06:44, aqualung wrote:
 O.K., so is everyone now in agreement that there is no legal problem
 embedding a font that explicitly licenses itself to be embedded?

 I am new here and am a bit mystified at the way discussion seems to move,
 with inapposite answers to comments and then the point gets lost along the
 way.

 This  https://www.adobe.com/type/browser/info/embedding.html Adobe page 
 lists the four levels of permissions granted (or not, as the case may be) by
 a font's license. (However, according to 
 http://forums.adobe.com/thread/634966?decorator=printdisplayFullThread=true
 this forum discussion , installable embedding is only a theoretical, not a
 practical option for lack of any software that actually performs this.

 Legal matters aside, I like the idea of an online font repository and
 downloading from there as needed.

   
This seemed good to me at first, but then I thought how do I make my
custom fonts and especially purchased fonts portable with my documents.
I am talking about me being able to edit my documents on my machines
without having to coordinate font libraries across Suse/OSX/Win. In a
business I could just flick the document to a secretary for printing and
not have to go to her machine and install the fonts required.
Without the font being packaged in the document the only solution would
then be to post them on line, encouraging  breaking the license terms,
unless I had a personal online font repository.
But then again the on-line solution has the problem of editing a
document offline (on the train on my laptop).

I am suggesting that packaging the font with the document be optional,
only for fonts where there is not a universal substitute, so that fonts
do not need to be packaged with every document and bloat the system.

As pointed out, it may not be possible to package fonts in the document
file because of the Open Document standard, although I would have though
it would have been flexible enough to enable packaging of future items,
otherwise it would be limiting to development and future inclusion of
say media or as of yet unpopularised formats.

Impress (from LO) doesn't seem to package media(audio/visual) and be
able to save as powerpoint,  but Impress (from OO) packages media within
the file in a media folder and is able to save as powerpoint. May be
fonts can be classed media and packaged in the media folder. Is the
presence of the media folder standards compliant.

steve




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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Italo Vignoli

On 03/21/2011 11:44 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:


As pointed out, it may not be possible to package fonts in the document
file because of the Open Document standard, although I would have though
it would have been flexible enough to enable packaging of future items,
otherwise it would be limiting to development and future inclusion of
say media or as of yet unpopularised formats.


Fonts used for editing documents must be installed at operating system 
level (Windows, MacOS, Linux) and therefore they would not be available 
even if embedded in documents. In addition fonts have different metrics 
on different operating systems.


This is the reason why fonts have never been embedded in any document 
format for editing (not even in old Microsoft proprietary formats, even 
if they were a memory dump), because if they are not installed there is 
no chance of having them available for editing.


Font embedding in PDF is a completely different story. PDF is a document 
description format based on PostScript, and thus the engine in the 
software can use the embedded fonts to render them on screen thanks to 
the code developed by John Warnock (a genius developer, the inventor of 
PostScript and one of the founders of Adobe).


This feature was introduced in PDF 2.0, because the first version was 
using Minion and Myriad, specific fonts with real time variable metrics 
which had to be installed at system level in order to mimic the fonts 
used to produce the document.


I was working as a consultant for Adobe at that time, and I have been 
the PDF spokeperson for Europe for several years.


It is true that many years have gone by, but fonts are handled by 
operating systems in the same way. If they are not installed in their 
specific folder at boot time, they cannot be used for editing documents.


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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Steve Edmonds


On 2011-03-22 12:35, Italo Vignoli wrote:
 On 03/21/2011 11:44 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

 As pointed out, it may not be possible to package fonts in the document
 file because of the Open Document standard, although I would have though
 it would have been flexible enough to enable packaging of future items,
 otherwise it would be limiting to development and future inclusion of
 say media or as of yet unpopularised formats.

 Fonts used for editing documents must be installed at operating system
 level (Windows, MacOS, Linux) and therefore they would not be
 available even if embedded in documents. In addition fonts have
 different metrics on different operating systems.
This must be why I had to delete Arial from my mac and replace it with
Arial from my Suse.

What about with OOO2 where fonts were available for OOO exclusively
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Font-FAQ#How_do_I_add_fonts_to_OpenOffice.org_2_exclusively

Fonts were installed in ~/.openoffice.org2/user/fonts/
So I was assuming that a font packaged in an odt file would be placed
somewhere similar on opening the odt file and then available exclusively
to LO when editing the document. This is where I used to place my custom
fonts and doesn't require admin access for font installation.

 This is the reason why fonts have never been embedded in any document
 format for editing (not even in old Microsoft proprietary formats,
 even if they were a memory dump), because if they are not installed
 there is no chance of having them available for editing.

 Font embedding in PDF is a completely different story. PDF is a
 document description format based on PostScript, and thus the engine
 in the software can use the embedded fonts to render them on screen
 thanks to the code developed by John Warnock (a genius developer, the
 inventor of PostScript and one of the founders of Adobe).

 This feature was introduced in PDF 2.0, because the first version was
 using Minion and Myriad, specific fonts with real time variable
 metrics which had to be installed at system level in order to mimic
 the fonts used to produce the document.

 I was working as a consultant for Adobe at that time, and I have been
 the PDF spokeperson for Europe for several years.

 It is true that many years have gone by, but fonts are handled by
 operating systems in the same way. If they are not installed in their
 specific folder at boot time, they cannot be used for editing documents.

 I hope this helps.


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RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-20 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hi.

Font embedding reloes on the format used by the suite. Currently only PDF
has this ability.

Best,

Charles.

Le 20 mars 2011, 3:21 PM, aqualung xfekdcugj...@mailinator.com a écrit :

Jason Corfman-2 wrote:   But embedding a font into a document  for
editing purposes quickly sli...
Isn't it the font that determines what you can do with it?

Fonts that allow embedding are either editable or installable. Surely
there is no legal issue if the font explicitly allows you to embed it in one
of these two ways? When a font does not explicitly allow it then a software
should not make it possible, either; that goes without saying.

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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-20 Thread Steve Edmonds
I suppose what I was thinking would be usefull was to have a directory 
within the odt file called fonts. LO would check here first for fonts 
called in the document. I could copy my custom TT or type 1 fonts here 
thereby making my document portable.
This seems relatively simple. More work is involved if a font management 
tool is desired (i.e. a panel listing fonts used in the document and 
tick box for Save with Document).


In regards the licensing issue, what is the difference between emailing 
a document (with the font stored within) and emailing the document + the 
font file. In both cases you have or have not broken the license 
(depending on the conditions)


This could even promote the use of free fonts, when you can't even 
transfer a document in Arial between Linux and Mac without loss of 
formatting it could be a big plus to be the only suite to be able to 
offer true document portability.
I could use Andale Sans or Albany AMT and not have to worry about how it 
would format on Windows. I would not be encouraged to copy licensed 
fonts from my windows machine to my linux/mac machines to be certain 
documents created in linux/mac formatted correctly on windows


steve

On 21/03/11 7:46 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

Hi.

Font embedding reloes on the format used by the suite. Currently only PDF
has this ability.

Best,

Charles.

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Jason Corfman-2 wrote:But embedding a font into a document  for
editing purposes quickly sli...
Isn't it the font that determines what you can do with it?

Fonts that allow embedding are either editable or installable. Surely
there is no legal issue if the font explicitly allows you to embed it in one
of these two ways? When a font does not explicitly allow it then a software
should not make it possible, either; that goes without saying.

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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-20 Thread aqualung
Thank you for your reply but I do not understand.

The OP was making a feature request for font embedding to be added to
LibreOffice.

I commented on the licensing aspect.

Now you note something about a suite -- do you mean suite as in office
suite? Microsoft's Office suite has this ability. PDF is not a suite.

Could you please expand on your statement, thanks.


Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 Font embedding reloes on the format used by the suite. Currently only PDF
 has this ability.
 
 Best,
 
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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-20 Thread aqualung
Thank you, that is very clear.

I am still not understanding Charles' comment.


Steve Edmonds wrote:
 
 Hi. sorry, this is probably my imprecise english. By suite I meant the 
 LO suite (group) of products, were font embedding in files to be 
 extended to more than writer. Otherwise, if font embedding is limited to 
 writer (odt files) then suite should be replaced with writer.
 
 To clarify further, by embedding fonts, I mean embedding them in the 
 document file as a font, not embedding them in the document as some 
 coded character.
 
 Cheers, steve
 


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request for 3.3 still possible?

2010-11-08 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-11-08 19:14, David Nelson a écrit :

Hi, :-)

I'm not sure if the feature freeze for 3.3 has already been declared,
but is there any chance of getting this feature added for 3.3?

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31480

David Nelson



Not sure if a freeze is on but I also filed an feature request to 
replace the search/replace function with the extension version which is 
more complete. You can find it here:


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31386

Cheers

Marc


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature Request

2010-10-06 Thread Valter Mura
In data martedì 5 ottobre 2010 20:55:56, RGB ES ha scritto:

 There is also a brainstorm section on kde forums:
 http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#cat83
 several ideas implemented on recent kde versions where first discussed th
er
 e

And the Bug tracker allows users to submit enhancements' requests:

https://bugs.kde.org/

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature Request

2010-10-06 Thread Paul A Norman
Great - And the Bug tracker allows users to submit enhancements' requests
: 

Thanks, Paul

On 6 October 2010 22:07, Valter Mura valterm...@gmail.com wrote:
 In data martedì 5 ottobre 2010 20:55:56, RGB ES ha scritto:

 There is also a brainstorm section on kde forums:
 http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#cat83
 several ideas implemented on recent kde versions where first discussed t
h
 er
 e

 And the Bug tracker allows users to submit enhancements' requests:

 https://bugs.kde.org/

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature Request

2010-10-06 Thread Benjamin Horst
Ubuntu Brainstorm and many similar sites are powered by a Drupal distro
called IdeaTorrent. The site is offline at the moment, but you'll
normally find it here: http://www.ideatorrent.org/

Until that is back up, you can read more about it here:
http://drupal.org/project/ideatorrent

-Ben

On Oct 6, 2010, at 6:48 AM, Paul A Norman wrote:

 Great - And the Bug tracker allows users to submit enhancements'
requests
 : 

 Thanks, Paul

 On 6 October 2010 22:07, Valter Mura valterm...@gmail.com wrote:
 In data martedì 5 ottobre 2010 20:55:56, RGB ES ha scritto:

 There is also a brainstorm section on kde forums:
 http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#cat83
 several ideas implemented on recent kde versions where first
discussed t
 h
 er
 e

 And the Bug tracker allows users to submit enhancements' requests:

 https://bugs.kde.org/

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Feature Request

2010-10-05 Thread henke54

Wouldn't it be better to 'implement' something like 
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ Ubuntu's Brainstorm  for feature requests of
LibO ? 
Dell has also such a kind of  http://www.ideastorm.com/ IdeaStorm  


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature Request

2010-10-05 Thread RGB ES
There is also a brainstorm section on kde forums:
http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#cat83
several ideas implemented on recent kde versions where first discussed ther
e

2010/10/5 henke54 henk...@gmail.com:

 Wouldn't it be better to 'implement' something like
 http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ Ubuntu's Brainstorm  for feature requests
 of
 LibO ?
 Dell has also such a kind of  http://www.ideastorm.com/ IdeaStorm


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