[tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
As a user I wouldn't be happy IF the devs split up between two projects. The way I see it is IBM and maybe some Oracle devs will work on OOo and everybody else will work on LO... The good part (besides the Apache license which allows LO to use what little code will be openly contributed to OOo) is that IBM will continue to develop ODF, which badly needs it. I find it a little absurd that the people behind a file format that has been under development for years haven't implemented font embedding... Of course, fonts are not important for serious business companies :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Oracle-contributes-OOo-Code-to-Apache-Software-Foundation-s-Incubator-tp3011527p3018856.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
On 01/06/2011 Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 09:51:09AM -0700, NoOp wrote: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/06/01/statement-about-oracles-move-to-donate-openoffice-org-assets-to-the-apache-foundation/ TDF's statement included : Today we welcome Oracle’s donation of code that has previously been proprietary to the Apache Software Foundation, it is great to see key user features released in a form that can be included into LibreOffice. Since when is OOo proprietary? I actually asked for a clarification in one of the first comments (#7 at above link), more than 48 hours ago, but nothing happened so far. Either the sentence just means that the code in OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice dating back to around 15 years ago was at that time proprietary (and this would be totally irrelevant in context, and I wouldn't know why someone would write it and relate it to key user features released in a form that can be included into LibreOffice)... ...or it means that people who wrote that blog post know that Oracle released more than just the OpenOffice.org code (and here the candidates would obviously be the proprietary components of Oracle Open Office: incremental updates, Alfresco plugin, migration tools... why not, even Oracle Cloud Office). I hope that the right interpretation is the latter, since this would mean a significant advance available for OpenOffice.org-based suites. But I really cannot guess what the statement meant. The OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal does not contain elements that would justify that sentence in the Document Foundation statement. Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
On 3 Jun 2011, at 19:59, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 01/06/2011 Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 09:51:09AM -0700, NoOp wrote: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/06/01/statement-about-oracles-move-to-donate-openoffice-org-assets-to-the-apache-foundation/ TDF's statement included : Today we welcome Oracle’s donation of code that has previously been proprietary to the Apache Software Foundation, it is great to see key user features released in a form that can be included into LibreOffice. Since when is OOo proprietary? I actually asked for a clarification in one of the first comments (#7 at above link), more than 48 hours ago, but nothing happened so far. Either the sentence just means that the code in OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice dating back to around 15 years ago was at that time proprietary (and this would be totally irrelevant in context, and I wouldn't know why someone would write it and relate it to key user features released in a form that can be included into LibreOffice)... ...or it means that people who wrote that blog post know that Oracle released more than just the OpenOffice.org code (and here the candidates would obviously be the proprietary components of Oracle Open Office: incremental updates, Alfresco plugin, migration tools... why not, even Oracle Cloud Office). I hope that the right interpretation is the latter, since this would mean a significant advance available for OpenOffice.org-based suites. But I really cannot guess what the statement meant. The OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal does not contain elements that would justify that sentence in the Document Foundation statement. It could just be that the author was trying hard to be positive. S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 09:51:09AM -0700, NoOp wrote: On 06/01/2011 09:23 AM, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/6/1 NoOp ... More: http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/statements-on-openofficeorg-contribution-to-apache-nasdaq-orcl-1521400.htm It will be interesting to see how this works out how TDF will work with ASF. Fascinating, NoOp - wheels within wheels ! Thanks for posting this !... Henri TDF's Statement: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/06/01/statement-about-oracles-move-to-donate-openoffice-org-assets-to-the-apache-foundation/ TDF's statement included : Today we welcome Oracle’s donation of code that has previously been proprietary to the Apache Software Foundation, it is great to see key user features released in a form that can be included into LibreOffice. Since when is OOo proprietary? There are probably some proprietary components that were added to the StarOffice product, and did not make it to OpenOffice.org. I would have preferred the above statement to have two commas placed in there, as in Today we welcome Oracle’s donation of code, that has previously been proprietary, to the Apache Software Foundation. It is great to see key user features released in a form that can be included into LibreOffice. Simos -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
Another interesting article (especially the comments on the post and the answers by Rob Weir) http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/06/apache-openoffice.html -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Oracle-contributes-OOo-Code-to-Apache-Software-Foundation-s-Incubator-tp3011527p3014520.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
Am Donnerstag, den 02.06.2011, 03:14 -0700 schrieb plino: Another interesting article (especially the comments on the post and the answers by Rob Weir) http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/06/apache-openoffice.html The most interesting part is probably this (comment 19): The fact that there are no public reports of our private meeting and private email conversations with TDF Steering Committee members means absolutely nothing. You might ask your favorite TDF SC member who they were talking to on April 28th at 9am EDT. Perhaps that will help refresh their memory. And if you think that the general membership of TDF was not made aware of this opportunity, then who is to blame: me, or your own unelected, self-appointed Steering Committee ? If you think that you should have been informed of this opportunity, and wish that your SC had been more open to cooperating in this move, then I think you should complain to them. I do not think there should be more or any cooperation there. But if there have been these talks and decisions not only without informing the community or interested public but even without participating the already approved document foundation members[1] I would be pretty upset. Although it is obvious that making that public would have lead to complicated discussions on the mailing lists and probably some not so happy Oracle/IBM people, following these corporate - behind closed door and intransparent - decision making is not something a community should strive for, even if the alternatives are harder. Regards, Michael [1] I am not, so I am not sure if they were informed. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
Le 02/06/2011 13:13, Michael Münch a écrit : Am Donnerstag, den 02.06.2011, 03:14 -0700 schrieb plino: Another interesting article (especially the comments on the post and the answers by Rob Weir) http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/06/apache-openoffice.html The most interesting part is probably this (comment 19): The fact that there are no public reports of our private meeting and private email conversations with TDF Steering Committee members means absolutely nothing. [...] It seems to me that TDF did not had to make a decision. The need of a decision was on the Oracle side since their announce on the 2011-04-14. It is very naive (or maybe bad faith) to believe that negotiations can be made in public as suggested by Rob Weir, when some partners of the discussion do not want a public discussion. If Oracle and IBM had intended that the discussions are public, I am sure they would have informed the community about this. Best regards JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
On 06/02/2011 03:14 AM, plino wrote: Another interesting article (especially the comments on the post and the answers by Rob Weir) http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/06/apache-openoffice.html ... Marbux speaks out: http://www.itworld.com/marbux (Paul E. (Marbux) Merrell, J.D. ) commenting on: http://www.itworld.com/software/170521/big-winner-apache-openofficeorg -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
On 06/01/2011 09:23 AM, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/6/1 NoOp ... More: http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/statements-on-openofficeorg-contribution-to-apache-nasdaq-orcl-1521400.htm It will be interesting to see how this works out how TDF will work with ASF. Fascinating, NoOp - wheels within wheels ! Thanks for posting this !... Henri TDF's Statement: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/06/01/statement-about-oracles-move-to-donate-openoffice-org-assets-to-the-apache-foundation/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
2011/6/1 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net On 06/01/2011 09:23 AM, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/6/1 NoOp ... More: http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/statements-on-openofficeorg-contribution-to-apache-nasdaq-orcl-1521400.htm It will be interesting to see how this works out how TDF will work with ASF. Fascinating, NoOp - wheels within wheels ! Thanks for posting this !... Henri TDF's Statement: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/06/01/statement-about-oracles-move-to-donate-openoffice-org-assets-to-the-apache-foundation/ Bravo, TDF - this is precisely the attitude we need !... Henri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
Le 01/06/11 18:14, NoOp a écrit : It will be interesting to see how this works out how TDF will work with ASF. You gotta love corporations :-)) Just 5 months ago, ASF ditched the JCP and told Oracle to go forth and multiply, and now here it is taking on the OOo project - better than any political intrigue ever !! Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 09:51:09AM -0700, NoOp wrote: On 06/01/2011 09:23 AM, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/6/1 NoOp ... More: http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/statements-on-openofficeorg-contribution-to-apache-nasdaq-orcl-1521400.htm It will be interesting to see how this works out how TDF will work with ASF. Fascinating, NoOp - wheels within wheels ! Thanks for posting this !... Henri TDF's Statement: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/06/01/statement-about-oracles-move-to-donate-openoffice-org-assets-to-the-apache-foundation/ TDF's statement included : Today we welcome Oracle’s donation of code that has previously been proprietary to the Apache Software Foundation, it is great to see key user features released in a form that can be included into LibreOffice. Since when is OOo proprietary? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator
On 06/01/2011 05:53 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 09:51:09AM -0700, NoOp wrote: ... TDF's Statement: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/06/01/statement-about-oracles-move-to-donate-openoffice-org-assets-to-the-apache-foundation/ TDF's statement included : Today we welcome Oracle’s donation of code that has previously been proprietary to the Apache Software Foundation, it is great to see key user features released in a form that can be included into LibreOffice. Since when is OOo proprietary? Rather interesting discussions going on over on the ASF Incubator list: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/28435 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
