Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion for Icons
Changing icons in minor versions is probably not a good idea. Changing the floppy Icon has outdated ALL books about OpenOffice/LibreOffice that have been written, including textbooks. Such changes might happen in major versions, always allowing the users to use the old theme, but a forced changed disconnects the products from all the efforts and materials that have been made to support its distribution... and in many cases makes it unusable. In Cambodia, OpenOffice is used in all the school system... considering changing to LibreOffice with icons that are different than the ones in the official textbook is just not possible, it would just create lots of confusion for teachers and students, and that is exactly what we do not need. The system might change to a new interface when it wants but not when LibreOffice developers decide to change, it is just not possible to print new textbooks. Cheers, Javier On 2/15/12 7:39 PM, firstname lastname wrote: Hi all Guys the icons are one of the key features of Libre Office's interface. Some of the stock icons on the Libre Office default theme need some more work I feel. OPEN - this icon is really grey and dull SAVE - okay, so the floppy is gone. I would have loved to keep it, but I won't get into that. But if you ARE going for a green downwards arrow, it needs to be cleerer than this. DOCUMENT AS EMAIL - This feature is really reduntant and clutters up the user experience. PDF ICON - The export to PDF icon is not clear enough. It needs to say PDF in MASSIVE letters, not some text you can almost not read. These are my comments to the icons in the current interface. But why can't we create an interface that is really inviting to newer users, which does not acommodate to the users with conservative preferences. Pick up any MacOSX application and they are mostly so inviting and fun to use. Why can't Libre Office be that? Massively larger icon-toolbars is a start, and shouldn't be very hard to make. I have the pixel-space available for this on my screen. Do you? Best of regards, A -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion for Icons
Changing icons in minor versions is probably not a good idea. Yeah I agree. Changing the floppy Icon has outdated ALL books about OpenOffice/LibreOffice that have been written, including textbooks. Such changes might happen in major versions, always allowing the users to use the old theme, but a forced changed disconnects the products from all the efforts and materials that have been made to support its distribution... and in many cases makes it unusable. EVEN for countries in the third world, relying on textbooks, dead documents, for a software which is very much alive makes little sense. The future is here, why not take it and use it at once. Free wiki's are everywhere. Wikia.com is a great place to start. Relying on textbooks just won't cut it in 2012. In Cambodia, OpenOffice is used in all the school system... considering changing to LibreOffice with icons that are different than the ones in the official textbook is just not possible, it would just create lots of confusion for teachers and students, and that is exactly what we do not need. The system might change to a new interface when it wants but not when LibreOffice developers decide to change, it is just not possible to print new textbooks. Yet, I do see your point that you are trying to comply with the legacy of OpenOffice. We all know how legacy dependency can hurt a software project. In particular a project where competition is intense and competitors are using dirty tricks. But okay I won't entertain the idea to ditch break with this legacy, for now. But I still believe that the user interface *NEEDS* more work and both finegrained pixel-hunts as well as moving away from the MS Office-2000 style. With the best of intentions -A On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Javier Sola li...@khmeros.info wrote: Changing icons in minor versions is probably not a good idea. Changing the floppy Icon has outdated ALL books about OpenOffice/LibreOffice that have been written, including textbooks. Such changes might happen in major versions, always allowing the users to use the old theme, but a forced changed disconnects the products from all the efforts and materials that have been made to support its distribution... and in many cases makes it unusable. In Cambodia, OpenOffice is used in all the school system... considering changing to LibreOffice with icons that are different than the ones in the official textbook is just not possible, it would just create lots of confusion for teachers and students, and that is exactly what we do not need. The system might change to a new interface when it wants but not when LibreOffice developers decide to change, it is just not possible to print new textbooks. Cheers, Javier On 2/15/12 7:39 PM, firstname lastname wrote: Hi all Guys the icons are one of the key features of Libre Office's interface. Some of the stock icons on the Libre Office default theme need some more work I feel. OPEN - this icon is really grey and dull SAVE - okay, so the floppy is gone. I would have loved to keep it, but I won't get into that. But if you ARE going for a green downwards arrow, it needs to be cleerer than this. DOCUMENT AS EMAIL - This feature is really reduntant and clutters up the user experience. PDF ICON - The export to PDF icon is not clear enough. It needs to say PDF in MASSIVE letters, not some text you can almost not read. These are my comments to the icons in the current interface. But why can't we create an interface that is really inviting to newer users, which does not acommodate to the users with conservative preferences. Pick up any MacOSX application and they are mostly so inviting and fun to use. Why can't Libre Office be that? Massively larger icon-toolbars is a start, and shouldn't be very hard to make. I have the pixel-space available for this on my screen. Do you? Best of regards, A -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+help@**documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/**discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Open to last edited page
I did not find this in my searches or anything in the LibreOffice options. So, sorry if its there and I just did not find it. I would like for a document (any document) to open to the last page that I was on when I closed it. I have a large document. When I go back, I always have to locate where I left off work. I started just never closing the document, which I dont like to do. So, to me it would be a nice feature, and I would think, easy to add. I realize it may go to the last page I edited, not the last page I was viewing. Thats ok with me, still, either or both would be a good added feature. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Suggestion-Open-to-last-edited-page-tp3639383p3639383.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Open to last edited page
Hi, 2012/1/7 ScCrow libreoff...@isildo.com: I did not find this in my searches or anything in the LibreOffice options. So, sorry if its there and I just did not find it. I would like for a document (any document) to open to the last page that I was on when I closed it. I have a large document. When I go back, I always have to locate where I left off work. I started just never closing the document, which I dont like to do. So, to me it would be a nice feature, and I would think, easy to add. I realize it may go to the last page I edited, not the last page I was viewing. Thats ok with me, still, either or both would be a good added feature. I remember we have had this feature in a former OOo-version, but I do not remember why it has been dropped. Maybe related to a change in the ODF-format. Anybody else? Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Open to last edited page
Hi Volker, *, On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote: I remember we have had this feature in a former OOo-version, but I do not remember why it has been dropped. Because it has not been dropped. It behaves just as in OOo: When the data in user-data doesn't match the data in the document properties (or is empty), this means for LO → open at first page. If user-data is filled out (Name), and it matches the document properties (creted/saved by), then it will open at saved cursor position, i.e. last edit position. Maybe related to a change in the ODF-format. Nope, nothing like that. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Open to last edited page
Hi Christian, 2012/1/7 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com: On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote: I remember we have had this feature in a former OOo-version, but I do not remember why it has been dropped. Because it has not been dropped. It behaves just as in OOo: When the data in user-data doesn't match the data in the document properties (or is empty), this means for LO → open at first page. If user-data is filled out (Name), and it matches the document properties (creted/saved by), then it will open at saved cursor position, i.e. last edit position. Maybe related to a change in the ODF-format. Nope, nothing like that. Thank you for clarification. The talk about some feature I rembered was so long in the past and I am getting old ;-) Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Open to last edited page
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Am 07.01.12 11:42, schrieb Volker Merschmann: 2012/1/7 ScCrow libreoff...@isildo.com: I would like for a document (any document) to open to the last page that I was on when I closed it. I have a large document. When I go back, I always have to locate where I left off work. I started just never closing the document, which I dont like to do. I remember we have had this feature in a former OOo-version, but I do not remember why it has been dropped. Maybe related to a change in the ODF-format. Hasn't there been a command like jump to the last position of cursor? I'd like that more than an document opening at a random position. - -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Uwe Altmann -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8INTwACgkQOTVzivhNo0Ip/wCgi3e/IUgdAw+tMFkgeGmKKjvi XJwAn3yZEfSE8jHYdhxFR/LH6agao6dj =FnmA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Open to last edited page
On 7 January 2012 18:22, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com wrote: ScCrow wrote: I did not find this in my searches or anything in the LibreOffice options. So, sorry if its there and I just did not find it. I would like for a document (any document) to open to the last page that I was on when I closed it. I have a large document. When I go back, I always have to locate where I left off work. I started just never closing the document, which I dont like to do. So, to me it would be a nice feature, and I would think, easy to add. I realize it may go to the last page I edited, not the last page I was viewing. Thats ok with me, still, either or both would be a good added feature. Actually it will go to the last page that your mouse cursor was on. if you want it to go to a particular place when you open it again, all you have to do is place your cursor there. (I am not sure if it will do this if you completely close the file, but if you minimize it, it certainly will, and that is what you should do with any document that you expect to soon return to). I have tried this out. If you just put the cursor somewhere then Close without saving, the cursor position is not remembered. If you have to Save on Closing, then it will be remembered, otherwise the position remembered will be where it was when the document is last Saved. Of course, by default, you cannot Save a document that has not been modified, but you can change that in Tools Options... General. If you do change that option, and remember to Save before Close, then you will go back to the last page even if you were just viewing it and providing you moved the cursor to it as well. I think that is the definitive answer, but I will stand corrected, if it is not. Tony -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Suggestion
Good evening! My name is Marius Popa, a user running the latest version of LibreOffice.org, 3.3.1, and I want to suggest you to offer a preview of the file before opening it in the Open dialogue box. It would help users to know which document they want to open by previewing its content. Thanks in advance and I am looking forward for your message. Have A Nice Evening! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/2011 09:17 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Why add something more to bloat the package when an extension already exist? Probably because the person wants something that works. And the extension you suggest does not work. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/ReadabilityReport it should work just as well with LibreOffice as with OpenOffice.org. You do realize that that extension causes both LibO and OOo to crash every time it is called, don't you. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNN4fzAAoJEERA7YuLpVrVPq8H+gObkASM+FA8sJ5+1LVAwVy5 +vRsAldsvLIw1+4DHuo3/yGmqxJBG5TlrfqVgFRvZKa7o1cIN4Rx8CJqeDrabNse 7N0s1QXZRYt1NsDhIDMCho2tlDvCJVOHWpwTBvCZ/3+NCue7FrQi9XWPJ8vYMvOS AoxVp9BrToLE5Y2vZ3di5gWJsCdALv/3YWDHUGZzFS/6XSj5TYkwbidY7EhGAbeq pxIT/Yoaw5wUJuVfuyim/9irZec3KIXftuJiPgphFbF47W8ZocTVn2O759uGhRX1 olVqxilENadtW0YpEtIs5Ix8Q4JSk7scpofiry1USoVXwQrZrWU6NVJJl0t6k34= =h4XE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion
On Wed Jan 19 2011 16:55:15 GMT-0800 (PST) toki wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/2011 09:17 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Why add something more to bloat the package when an extension already exist? Probably because the person wants something that works. And the extension you suggest does not work. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/ReadabilityReport it should work just as well with LibreOffice as with OpenOffice.org. You do realize that that extension causes both LibO and OOo to crash every time it is called, don't you. Been a while since I used it, so no I did not realize that it was broke. But with all the changes to both programs I guess it is not surprising. Some basic features in the current RC of both are messed up as it is. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion
How to use the extension? When the report shows up? On 20 January 2011 03:05, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: On Wed Jan 19 2011 16:55:15 GMT-0800 (PST) toki wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/2011 09:17 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Why add something more to bloat the package when an extension already exist? Probably because the person wants something that works. And the extension you suggest does not work. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/ReadabilityReport it should work just as well with LibreOffice as with OpenOffice.org. You do realize that that extension causes both LibO and OOo to crash every time it is called, don't you. Been a while since I used it, so no I did not realize that it was broke. But with all the changes to both programs I guess it is not surprising. Some basic features in the current RC of both are messed up as it is. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion
Þann fim 20.jan 2011 01:05, skrifaði Andy Brown: On Wed Jan 19 2011 16:55:15 GMT-0800 (PST) toki wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/2011 09:17 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Why add something more to bloat the package when an extension already exist? Probably because the person wants something that works. And the extension you suggest does not work. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/ReadabilityReport it should work just as well with LibreOffice as with OpenOffice.org. You do realize that that extension causes both LibO and OOo to crash every time it is called, don't you. Been a while since I used it, so no I did not realize that it was broke. But with all the changes to both programs I guess it is not surprising. Some basic features in the current RC of both are messed up as it is. Apparently it's a Windows-only thing. Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion to expand user base: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice
On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 12:02 -0800, Alan C. Baird wrote: But it requires a template download and installation. If LibreOffice wants to capitalize on this unique opportunity, the template could be integrated in the upcoming LibreOffice release. Pragmatically, if you can find a hacker who can knock up a patch that merges the template into the code-base; then - we tend to accept patches on the dev list [ assuming it doesn't add megabytes (compressed) ] to the suite [ which I assume it would not ]. I see no reason why it shouldn't go in - though, clearly not all special interests can do this - nevertheless the mroe templates we have, the more people we have interested in fixing our template browse / selection UI issues I hope ;-) HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Suggestion to expand user base: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice
Proposal for significantly enlarging LibreOffice's user base with Screenwright(R) 14 November 2010 by Alan C. Baird, prizewinning writer and creator of the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatter [winner of the Sun/OOo CIP award] http://w.9TimeZones.com/avails.htm http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/scr2 http://development.openoffice.org/awardees-2008.html Executive Summary: enable screenplay formatting in LibreOffice to distinguish it from OpenOffice. Pitch: Every aspiring screenwriter has a movie in his/her head that needs to get down on paper. However, some film production companies won't accept a script submission if the formatting is even ONE POSITION off! So ensuring that screenplays are formatted correctly is an obsession of screenwriters everywhere. But formatting a script can be an expensive proposition; 78 commercial formatters are listed at The Writers Store. A screenwriter could easily spend $200 or more on software, just to get a screenplay into acceptable shape. UNLESS s/he uses LibreOffice in conjunction with the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatting template. We all want our scripts to be eligible for the next multimillion-dollar spec auction, so some of us even carry our latest screenplays in our glove compartments, on the off-chance that we might meet someone who can help. In the movie Monster In A Box, Spalding Gray talks about one of his trips to Los Angeles: «I had no idea how difficult it would be to find people not involved in the film industry until I got out there and saw a special on television - in which they were interviewing people in the parking lot of a Shop Rite supermarket. As people came out with their groceries, the interviewer would go up to them and say, Hi there, good morning! Tell us, how's your film script going? And everyone said, What?! How did you know? Right up to the cashier.» If the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatting template can be included as an integral part of the upcoming LibreOffice release, it will send a clear signal--to filmmakers in particular and to the Entertainment sector in general--that LibreOffice is ready to address the industry's unique text-processing and -formatting needs. News travels fast among members of the Entertainment industry, and they tend to be the gatekeepers and style leaders for the culture at large. Historical context: OOo Writer is the first (and for now, the only) full-featured word processor that will easily format a screenplay at no cost whatsoever. But it requires a template download and installation. If LibreOffice wants to capitalize on this unique opportunity, the template could be integrated in the upcoming LibreOffice release. Alan C. Baird Mesa, Arizona USA acba...@yahoo.com Extra: using your iPod to write screenplays. [You can also use your iPhone, thumb/flash drive, mp3 player, or favorite USB storage device.] It's a snap: A) At the bottom of your iPod's Summary tab in iTunes, check the Enable disk use box, and click the Apply button. B) Download and install the latest free OpenOffice.org (LibreOffice?) Portable suite on your iPod. http://portableapps.com/apps/office/openoffice_portable C) Download and install this free scr2.ott template on your iPod. When we stay in Tucson with my wife's friend--who has a Windows computer, but no Internet connection--I keep myself entertained by working on my latest screenplay or just kicking back and listening to some music (perhaps Mark Knopfler's Screenplaying). I can also use the iPod to revise my script on the public computers in: (1) my local library, (2) London's Heathrow airport, (3) Beijing's cyber-cafés, etc. PS: My iPod is one of the smallest models, an old 2GB Nano. I had already loaded nearly 18 hours of music (201 songs) and 33 photos onto it. Now that it contains the OpenOffice.org (LibreOffice?) Portable software and my screenplay, it still shows over 606MB (33%) of free space. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion to expand user base: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice
Alan C. Baird wrote: Proposal for significantly enlarging LibreOffice's user base with Screenwright(R) 14 November 2010 by Alan C. Baird, prizewinning writer and creator of the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatter [winner of the Sun/OOo CIP award] http://w.9TimeZones.com/avails.htm http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/scr2 http://development.openoffice.org/awardees-2008.html Executive Summary: enable screenplay formatting in LibreOffice to distinguish it from OpenOffice. Pitch: Every aspiring screenwriter has a movie in his/her head that needs to get down on paper. However, some film production companies won't accept a script submission if the formatting is even ONE POSITION off! So ensuring that screenplays are formatted correctly is an obsession of screenwriters everywhere. But formatting a script can be an expensive proposition; 78 commercial formatters are listed at The Writers Store. A screenwriter could easily spend $200 or more on software, just to get a screenplay into acceptable shape. UNLESS s/he uses LibreOffice in conjunction with the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatting template. We all want our scripts to be eligible for the next multimillion-dollar spec auction, so some of us even carry our latest screenplays in our glove compartments, on the off-chance that we might meet someone who can help. In the movie Monster In A Box, Spalding Gray talks about one of his trips to Los Angeles: «I had no idea how difficult it would be to find people not involved in the film industry until I got out there and saw a special on television - in which they were interviewing people in the parking lot of a Shop Rite supermarket. As people came out with their groceries, the interviewer would go up to them and say, Hi there, good morning! Tell us, how's your film script going? And everyone said, What?! How did you know? Right up to the cashier.» If the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatting template can be included as an integral part of the upcoming LibreOffice release, it will send a clear signal--to filmmakers in particular and to the Entertainment sector in general--that LibreOffice is ready to address the industry's unique text-processing and -formatting needs. News travels fast among members of the Entertainment industry, and they tend to be the gatekeepers and style leaders for the culture at large. Historical context: OOo Writer is the first (and for now, the only) full-featured word processor that will easily format a screenplay at no cost whatsoever. But it requires a template download and installation. If LibreOffice wants to capitalize on this unique opportunity, the template could be integrated in the upcoming LibreOffice release. Alan C. Baird Mesa, Arizona USA acba...@yahoo.com I remember mentioning in a recent email that I thought that with its corporate leaning OOo might end up tailored for lawyers and accountants and LO would end up being oriented to screenwriters, novelists, musicians/composers. In other words LO would become the darling of the artistic community. Unless I am mistaken, and in this case I don't think I am, most of the people in the artistic community don't have a lot of money to throw at obtaining tools for their craft. I myself am writing two novels and a daily journal at this time using this full size laptop and a copy of OOo. If LO were to become the tool of choice for the artistic community, this would likely greatly increase its visibility to the general public, (most people I mention OpenOffice to have never heard of it) do to frequent mention in the media which tends to pay a great deal of attention to the artistic community. I could be wrong in this, as I am not an expert in such things, but I suspect that a template/and/or extension for Draw might make it able to do musical notation very conveniently. If this were the case, I can imagine it getting a huge amount of press coverage! I will upgrade to LO as soon as a version not designated as beta becomes available. And someone can promise me that my spell check dictionary to which I have added well over a thousand compound words can be transferred to it. The OOo spell check dictionary has far too few compound words in it. For an example, it will have rain, and barrel, but not rainbarrel. Literally thousands of compound words need to be added to the spell check dictionary. I have heard many people complain about the word completion feature, and ask how to turn it off, however for the writing of most prose it is a very useful tool, but with a couple of small changes it could be MUCH better. For instance, have an option where it will not gather any string containing anything but the 26 lower case letters and ' the apostrophe. (English) Chapter headings are often in all upper case, and this becomes a nuisance when it offers words in all upper case. Or the option to lock in a
[tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc
Hi, Please could we make LibreOffice load 'Writer', 'Math', 'Impress','Calc', 'Base', 'Draw' etc separately. In other words, can these separate entities be kept somewhat isolated so that the load is not too much and it will load faster when the program is started. Please let me know if I am not clear. Best regards, Paul -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc
They do load separately. What makes you think they don't? -Original Message- From: goldf...@aol.in [mailto:goldf...@aol.in] Sent: 26 October 2010 09:44 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org; market...@libreoffice.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc Hi, Please could we make LibreOffice load 'Writer', 'Math', 'Impress','Calc', 'Base', 'Draw' etc separately. In other words, can these separate entities be kept somewhat isolated so that the load is not too much and it will load faster when the program is started. Please let me know if I am not clear. Best regards, Paul -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-26 08:52, Gordon Burgess-Parker a écrit : They do load separately. What makes you think they don't? -Original Message- From: goldf...@aol.in [mailto:goldf...@aol.in] Sent: 26 October 2010 09:44 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org; market...@libreoffice.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc Hi, Please could we make LibreOffice load 'Writer', 'Math', 'Impress','Calc', 'Base', 'Draw' etc separately. In other words, can these separate entities be kept somewhat isolated so that the load is not too much and it will load faster when the program is started. Please let me know if I am not clear. Best regards, Paul Hi Gordon: I think Paul is suggesting that the download be broken up this way and that each component be able to work on its own. Right now it is one big download. Not all of us have high speed and many still (as I am reminded quite often by our international members) are using dial-up. This is also the case for many US members. Marc As I mentioned in another thread, I think a better solution would be an online installer (possibly the same software as an automatic updater). You just download a small program, tell it what parts of libo you want, it pulls those parts and the necessary dependencies from a server (it could check several mirrors) and installs those pieces. It could even walk them through the process, asking them what exactly they want to be able to do and then grabbing the programs necessary to do that. That way users wouldn't need to worry about which bits they need to download to get it working it, that is all handled automatically by the installer. It also means that users don't need to worry about future changes in how the parts are broken up, this is all hidden from the user. It also means that when a user wants to install, say, writer and calc only, they don't need to download writer+libraries and calc+libraries (downloading the libraries twice), they can just download writer+calc+libraries. This makes a huge difference since the libraries are by far the largest part of the suite (larger than the rest of the suite combined). -Todd -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc
Hi Todd, 2010/10/26 todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-26 08:52, Gordon Burgess-Parker a écrit : They do load separately. What makes you think they don't? -Original Message- From: goldf...@aol.in [mailto:goldf...@aol.in] Sent: 26 October 2010 09:44 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org; market...@libreoffice.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc Hi, [...] As I mentioned in another thread, I think a better solution would be an online installer (possibly the same software as an automatic updater). You just download a small program, tell it what parts of libo you want, it pulls those parts and the necessary dependencies from a server (it could check several mirrors) and installs those pieces. It could even walk them through the process, asking them what exactly they want to be able to do and then grabbing the programs necessary to do that. That way users wouldn't need to worry about which bits they need to download to get it working it, that is all handled automatically by the installer. It also means that users don't need to worry about future changes in how the parts are broken up, this is all hidden from the user. It also means that when a user wants to install, say, writer and calc only, they don't need to download writer+libraries and calc+libraries (downloading the libraries twice), they can just download writer+calc+libraries. This makes a huge difference since the libraries are by far the largest part of the suite (larger than the rest of the suite combined). In principle, I like your idea. However, I see one drawback: You have to rely on the internet connection that it is fast and reliable. While this is true for most European and US/Canada, it is not universal. And judging from my very own experience (I am in Sweden!), I don't have a very reliable internet connection. Sigrid -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc
Hi Todd, Sigrid, and others, 2010/10/26 Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com Hi Todd, 2010/10/26 todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-26 08:52, Gordon Burgess-Parker a écrit : They do load separately. What makes you think they don't? -Original Message- From: goldf...@aol.in [mailto:goldf...@aol.in] Sent: 26 October 2010 09:44 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org; market...@libreoffice.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc Hi, [...] As I mentioned in another thread, I think a better solution would be an online installer (possibly the same software as an automatic updater). You just download a small program, tell it what parts of libo you want, it pulls those parts and the necessary dependencies from a server (it could check several mirrors) and installs those pieces. It could even walk them through the process, asking them what exactly they want to be able to do and then grabbing the programs necessary to do that. That way users wouldn't need to worry about which bits they need to download to get it working it, that is all handled automatically by the installer. It also means that users don't need to worry about future changes in how the parts are broken up, this is all hidden from the user. It also means that when a user wants to install, say, writer and calc only, they don't need to download writer+libraries and calc+libraries (downloading the libraries twice), they can just download writer+calc+libraries. This makes a huge difference since the libraries are by far the largest part of the suite (larger than the rest of the suite combined). In principle, I like your idea. However, I see one drawback: You have to rely on the internet connection that it is fast and reliable. While this is true for most European and US/Canada, it is not universal. And judging from my very own experience (I am in Sweden!), I don't have a very reliable internet connection. Sigrid If there is was an online installer, LibO would also need to provide the current offline installer (in a prominent place) -- for those who don't have an internet connection and might get the installer from a friend or download it from a public computer. Other than that, I don't see why there shouldn't be an online installer. -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgfor instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc
-Original Message- Hi Gordon: I think Paul is suggesting that the download be broken up this way and that each component be able to work on its own. Right now it is one big download. Not all of us have high speed and many still (as I am reminded quite often by our international members) are using dial-up. This is also the case for many US members. Marc That's interesting - that's not how I read the OP at ALL -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Todd, 2010/10/26 todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-26 08:52, Gordon Burgess-Parker a écrit : They do load separately. What makes you think they don't? -Original Message- From: goldf...@aol.in [mailto:goldf...@aol.in] Sent: 26 October 2010 09:44 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org; market...@libreoffice.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc Hi, [...] As I mentioned in another thread, I think a better solution would be an online installer (possibly the same software as an automatic updater). You just download a small program, tell it what parts of libo you want, it pulls those parts and the necessary dependencies from a server (it could check several mirrors) and installs those pieces. It could even walk them through the process, asking them what exactly they want to be able to do and then grabbing the programs necessary to do that. That way users wouldn't need to worry about which bits they need to download to get it working it, that is all handled automatically by the installer. It also means that users don't need to worry about future changes in how the parts are broken up, this is all hidden from the user. It also means that when a user wants to install, say, writer and calc only, they don't need to download writer+libraries and calc+libraries (downloading the libraries twice), they can just download writer+calc+libraries. This makes a huge difference since the libraries are by far the largest part of the suite (larger than the rest of the suite combined). In principle, I like your idea. However, I see one drawback: You have to rely on the internet connection that it is fast and reliable. While this is true for most European and US/Canada, it is not universal. And judging from my very own experience (I am in Sweden!), I don't have a very reliable internet connection. Sigrid Certainly, it would be a terrible idea to eliminate the existing offline installer. -Todd -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc
Le 2010-10-26 11:20, todd rme a écrit : On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-26 08:52, Gordon Burgess-Parker a écrit : They do load separately. What makes you think they don't? -Original Message- From: goldf...@aol.in [mailto:goldf...@aol.in] Sent: 26 October 2010 09:44 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org; market...@libreoffice.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc Hi, Please could we make LibreOffice load 'Writer', 'Math', 'Impress','Calc', 'Base', 'Draw' etc separately. In other words, can these separate entities be kept somewhat isolated so that the load is not too much and it will load faster when the program is started. Please let me know if I am not clear. Best regards, Paul Hi Gordon: I think Paul is suggesting that the download be broken up this way and that each component be able to work on its own. Right now it is one big download. Not all of us have high speed and many still (as I am reminded quite often by our international members) are using dial-up. This is also the case for many US members. Marc As I mentioned in another thread, I think a better solution would be an online installer (possibly the same software as an automatic updater). You just download a small program, tell it what parts of libo you want, it pulls those parts and the necessary dependencies from a server (it could check several mirrors) and installs those pieces. It could even walk them through the process, asking them what exactly they want to be able to do and then grabbing the programs necessary to do that. That way users wouldn't need to worry about which bits they need to download to get it working it, that is all handled automatically by the installer. It also means that users don't need to worry about future changes in how the parts are broken up, this is all hidden from the user. It also means that when a user wants to install, say, writer and calc only, they don't need to download writer+libraries and calc+libraries (downloading the libraries twice), they can just download writer+calc+libraries. This makes a huge difference since the libraries are by far the largest part of the suite (larger than the rest of the suite combined). -Todd Excellent idea! I am all for it! But, as we are constantly reminded, internet access is not the same for everyone. There are even people on this side of the pond who have dial-up. A download of parts of the suite is OK, but to download all of the components would be a problem again for those who need more than one part. But in principle this is a good idea that has been suggested quite often. Marc -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc
Le 2010-10-26 12:27, RGB ES a écrit : One small problem with this idea: there is no such a thing as small components on LibO. Everything is shared. If you look at the installer package (for example, the rpm files for a Linux install), Writer, Draw, etc accounts for only a couple of megas, the whole thing is on core packages. To break the install the way you want a mayor redesign is needed and surely this will break not only the install... Right now, by not installing some components you gain lot of troubles and only a small disk space. Of course, this also apply to bandwidth: download LibO without, say, base will not give you a much smaller package. Yes it would require a redesign for this to work. I seem to remember that this was suggested before on the OOo forums. A LibO dev's opinion on this would be useful for this thread. Are the any devs following this thread? Marc -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
