Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup
Hi Paulo, all Paulo José schrieb: Hi everyone, I'm the mock-ups creator. It's the firt time that I use a mail list like that and english is not my own language, so I'm not sure if I'm doing it right. You are. Welcome to our community and to this list! One thing you couldn't know before is that there are different teams working on dedicated mailing lists. The best place for your mockup to be discussed is the design mailing list des...@libreoffice.org, where the team for visual design / branding design and UI/UX design is located. Please have a look at our wiki area (even if it is far from being in a final state): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design It would be great if you would be interested to join our team. Just subscribe to the mailing list by sending a mail to design+subscr...@libreoffice.org and reply to the automated response. First, thank you Animesh Meher for starting this threat. I totally agree with Zaphod for a decent discussion on the LibO's UI. Everybody else interested in UI / UX is invited to join us there too. [... personal statements ...] And if you could tell the team over there who you are (just like you did here), everybody would know about your background. Best regards and welcome again! Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup
Hi Animesh, all, animesh meher schrieb: The Mock-ups are posted in omgubuntu.co.uk and www.webupd8.org and seems to be getting good positive response. I certainly Agree we should have a revert to old style as an option for power user. But for new user this is attractive and much easier to use. Can we do a usuablity study and come to a agreement and get someone to start working . Usability studies are very reasonable for such kind of work. The OpenOffice.org UX project (whose Co-lead is one of our main UX experts here) has worked on this topic for more than a year and we can follow our way based on this efforts. But to reach the entire UX team I'd ask you to continue this discussion on the des...@libreoffice.org list. If you or someone else would be able to provide an abstract of this thread, this would be great. Please be aware that we are in the final state before our first release, so it might be possible, that some people are working hard on this topic, not able to reply in a short period of time... Best regards Bernhard PS: And with regards to your last part of the final phrase get someone to start working - this might become the most challenging part (while consensus finding might be hard work as well): As a volunteer community we can't force anybody to work on the feature we like most - and I don't know any sponsors interested in spending their money on this specific feature to pay the developer... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM, animesh meher animeshme...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi! All, I found an very interesting mock-up or Open Office UI, on DevianArt . Now that most screens are wide screen A side bar based UI is the best usage of space. Here is the link. http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxkj Even IBM Symphony's UI are very good. Please its really time to change our UI to something more Usable. An UI like this saves a lot of verticle space and most of the main editing options are clearly visible. We can surely work on this and improve. So in other words turn it libreoffice into koffice? ;) -Todd -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup
I love those! May the designer of these please stand up! :-) best, Charles. Le Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:20:58 +0530, animesh meher animeshme...@hotmail.com a écrit : Hi! All, I found an very interesting mock-up or Open Office UI, on DevianArt . Now that most screens are wide screen A side bar based UI is the best usage of space. Here is the link. http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxkj Even IBM Symphony's UI are very good. Please its really time to change our UI to something more Usable. An UI like this saves a lot of verticle space and most of the main editing options are clearly visible. We can surely work on this and improve. Cheers, Animesh Meher -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup
On 2011-01-17 1:12 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:20:58 +0530, animesh meher animeshme...@hotmail.com a écrit : Hi! All, I found an very interesting mock-up or Open Office UI, on DevianArt . Now that most screens are wide screen A side bar based UI is the best usage of space. Here is the link. http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxkj Even IBM Symphony's UI are very good. Please its really time to change our UI to something more Usable. An UI like this saves a lot of verticle space and most of the main editing options are clearly visible. We can surely work on this and improve. I love those! May the designer of these please stand up! :-) I like them too - but a UI change like this MUST be optional, at least for a good long while after it is introduced. That said, I hope it is implemented, sooner than later... :) -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup
Hi Zaphod, *, Zaphod Feeblejocks schrieb: [.. side oriented toolbar ..] Granted, the current LibO/OOo interface looks dated, but people know their way round it - at least the know how to find the things they use. Some things are far too clumsy (e.g. mail- merging). A sudden change would drive people (well, me) back over to OOo. Let's reach a proper concensus. +1 Now that most screens are wide screen A side bar based UI is the best usage of space. Fair point - but give users the option. I strongly second this! [..] Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:01 PM, todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM, animesh meher animeshme...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi! All, I found an very interesting mock-up or Open Office UI, on DevianArt . Now that most screens are wide screen A side bar based UI is the best usage of space. Here is the link. http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxkj Even IBM Symphony's UI are very good. Please its really time to change our UI to something more Usable. An UI like this saves a lot of verticle space and most of the main editing options are clearly visible. We can surely work on this and improve. So in other words turn it libreoffice into koffice? ;) Actually it changes OpenOffice.org back into the 1.x days when a good deal of tools were located on the side pane. http://www.thevarguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/x1.1.5.png and http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxfb similar? -Todd -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:01 PM, todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM, animesh meher animeshme...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi! All, I found an very interesting mock-up or Open Office UI, on DevianArt . Now that most screens are wide screen A side bar based UI is the best usage of space. Here is the link. http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxkj Even IBM Symphony's UI are very good. Please its really time to change our UI to something more Usable. An UI like this saves a lot of verticle space and most of the main editing options are clearly visible. We can surely work on this and improve. So in other words turn it libreoffice into koffice? ;) Actually it changes OpenOffice.org back into the 1.x days when a good deal of tools were located on the side pane. http://www.thevarguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/x1.1.5.png and http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxfb similar? Seems the second link takes the global frame, here is the image I am talking about: http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/017/9/2/libreoffice_ui_mock_up_light_2_by_pauloup-d37dxfb.png -Todd -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup
On 17-01-2011 18:31, Paulo José wrote: Hi everyone, I'm the mock-ups creator. It's the firt time that I use a mail list like that and english is not my own language, so I'm not sure if I'm doing it right. First, thank you Animesh Meher for starting this threat. I totally agree with Zaphod for a decent discussion on the LibO's UI. And the Microsoft's mistake is a good guideline to help this process. It been said, I would like to help you if it's possible. I'm not a professional designer, but I'm a Computer Science student and art is part of my whole live. I worked some years with Corel Draw and Photoshop and the last 5 years with Blender, Inkscape (1.000.000x better than Corel) and Gimp. I'm a big Blender Foundation fan and when they were working on a completly new interface for Blender (my guess it was over 2008) many people has afraid of what would be it. The first releases was very simple and disgusting, since it was a big change and everything should be relearned. There was many noise on it for months. But finally, in 2009,the Blender Foundation showed a polished interface, very very different from the original one. Users become to apreciate it and to learn more about it. Today, the new interface is the think I most apreciate in Blender: it's the top of customization, it's beautiful, it's completely usable. But there's no perfect UIs, so they keep changing it to get closer to what the users want. And the users *really* discuss about it, i.e. in the BlenderArtists forum. I really hope to see this process of reconstruction happening to LibreOffice. Since its a revival of the closed OpenOffice, I see a big potential to become a highlight office suite on Linux desktops. But I see the need of a important refresh on UI. Just like Blender did. Well, I'm sure it's over me, but I'm here if you need of my efforts. I'm not capable to code satisfastorily in C, Java or Python yet, but I hope this halfyear I'll become to learn how to do that. Right now I just know HTML, CSS and basic programing. Kudos for the LibO development team! ~Paulo José Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: I'm all for a decent discussion on the UI, and appreciate the comment on the side-bar. Could the current top-bar with icons etc be made moveable (just as the Win 95 start bar was, when I moved to the side it by accident and couldn't get it back to the bottom ah, memories...) However, we need to avoid Microsoft's mistake of forcing their Ribbon on people, without letting them have a 'Classic' interface. (1) the Ribbon lacks consistency; (2) Office 2007 had 60% global market share in summer 2010 - a failure by Microsoft's standards. Office 2003 had 20% - many of whom were Ribbon refusenicks. The other 20% was a steadily growing OOo. Granted, the current LibO/OOo interface looks dated, but people know their way round it - at least the know how to find the things they use. Some things are far too clumsy (e.g. mail- merging). A sudden change would drive people (well, me) back over to OOo. Let's reach a proper concensus. -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup
2011/1/17 Paulo José paul...@gmail.com On 17-01-2011 18:31, Paulo José wrote: Hi everyone, I'm the mock-ups creator. It's the firt time that I use a mail list like that and english is not my own language, so I'm not sure if I'm doing it right. I wonder what you mean by that? Are you the original author of the DevianArt mockup? Well just wondered if you have seen the KOffice interface and what is your thoughts that they (we) could improve. here is an example: http://www.koffice.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/kpresenter-slides-sorter.png Beside of the pane toolboxes, whcih are seen in KOffice and other suites like Apple's iWorks as well as Symphony. Is there any uptake on having these models as opposed of the traditional toolbar? I was never a fan of floating toolbars, they got in the way of work and often are not needed immediately after. So it becomes more a distraction than an aid. First, thank you Animesh Meher for starting this threat. I totally agree with Zaphod for a decent discussion on the LibO's UI. And the Microsoft's mistake is a good guideline to help this process. It been said, I would like to help you if it's possible. I'm not a professional designer, but I'm a Computer Science student and art is part of my whole live. I worked some years with Corel Draw and Photoshop and the last 5 years with Blender, Inkscape (1.000.000x better than Corel) and Gimp. I'm a big Blender Foundation fan and when they were working on a completly new interface for Blender (my guess it was over 2008) many people has afraid of what would be it. The first releases was very simple and disgusting, since it was a big change and everything should be relearned. There was many noise on it for months. But finally, in 2009,the Blender Foundation showed a polished interface, very very different from the original one. Users become to apreciate it and to learn more about it. Today, the new interface is the think I most apreciate in Blender: it's the top of customization, it's beautiful, it's completely usable. But there's no perfect UIs, so they keep changing it to get closer to what the users want. And the users *really* discuss about it, i.e. in the BlenderArtists forum. I really hope to see this process of reconstruction happening to LibreOffice. Since its a revival of the closed OpenOffice, I see a big potential to become a highlight office suite on Linux desktops. But I see the need of a important refresh on UI. Just like Blender did. Well, I'm sure it's over me, but I'm here if you need of my efforts. I'm not capable to code satisfastorily in C, Java or Python yet, but I hope this halfyear I'll become to learn how to do that. Right now I just know HTML, CSS and basic programing. Kudos for the LibO development team! ~Paulo José Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: I'm all for a decent discussion on the UI, and appreciate the comment on the side-bar. Could the current top-bar with icons etc be made moveable (just as the Win 95 start bar was, when I moved to the side it by accident and couldn't get it back to the bottom ah, memories...) However, we need to avoid Microsoft's mistake of forcing their Ribbon on people, without letting them have a 'Classic' interface. (1) the Ribbon lacks consistency; (2) Office 2007 had 60% global market share in summer 2010 - a failure by Microsoft's standards. Office 2003 had 20% - many of whom were Ribbon refusenicks. The other 20% was a steadily growing OOo. Granted, the current LibO/OOo interface looks dated, but people know their way round it - at least the know how to find the things they use. Some things are far too clumsy (e.g. mail- merging). A sudden change would drive people (well, me) back over to OOo. Let's reach a proper concensus. -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup
On 01/18/2011 12:03 AM, David Nelson wrote: I hope Paulo's creative work [1] is not allowed to subside back into obscurity, and that it really gets taken up by the project... [1] http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxkj I definitely like very much Paulo's mock up, and I share the positive comments I have seen so far. So said, I am a user and not a developer, and I do not know how difficult could be to translate a design into a software interface. I will definitely support this discussion, but at the moment with developers busy working at the stable release I do not think that they have the time to have a serious look at it until next week. I would also like to get Christoph's take, as he is a specialist in this area and might provide useful comments. Ciao, Italo -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup
On Mon Jan 17 2011 09:50:58 GMT-0800 (PST) animesh meher wrote: Hi! All, I found an very interesting mock-up or Open Office UI, on DevianArt . Now that most screens are wide screen A side bar based UI is the best usage of space. Here is the link. http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxkj Even IBM Symphony's UI are very good. Please its really time to change our UI to something more Usable. An UI like this saves a lot of verticle space and most of the main editing options are clearly visible. We can surely work on this and improve. Cheers, Animesh Meher Hi Animesh, This and the replies are all great. The problem I see is that this discussion should be taking place in the des...@libreoffice.org mailing list. That is where the people that make this type of choices hang out, though some scan this and other list and may see this. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
