Re: [tdf-discuss] the Meaning of access in manifesto
Hi, At 22:28 8/02/2011, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote: Hello, what does access mean in the manifesto: to eliminate the digital divide in society by giving everyone access to office productivity tools free of charge to enable them to participate as full citizens in the 21st century Is it only the possibility for someone to download from TDF/LO-Sites or a more active way like a distribution by pre-installed LO on PC too? What does TDF really/precisely understand with access? There is one other meaning of access that has not been diccussed in this thread: accessibility for persons with disabilities. In this sense, inaccessible software is software that does not implement an accessibility API [1], that does not allow full keyboard access, that does not inherit desktop themes (colour combinations, large text icons, ...), etcetera. Inaccessible software creates or contributes to a digital divide between people with disabilities and other users. This would affect, for example, 18.7% of the US population (in 2005 [2]), so it is not a marginal phenomenon. Elderly users often have similar needs, as their vision, hearing and mobility decreases with age (but they don't want to be considered as people with disabilities, it's all just part of getting old). I assume you are all aware of the demographic shift in many countries [3]. In addition to this, some governments (e.g. the US federal government) are not allowed to buy inaccessible software. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Accessibility_API [2] http://www.practicalecommerce.com/articles/1417-Accessibility-How-Many-Disabled-Web-Users-Are-There- [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-wai-age-literature-20080514/. Best regards, Christophe Strobbe -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Better products and services through end-user empowerment www.usem-net.eu - www.stand4all.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] the Meaning of access in manifesto
Hi Johannes, having monitored the discussion on the German list as well :-) Am Dienstag, den 08.02.2011, 22:28 +0100 schrieb Johannes A. Bodwing: Hello, what does access mean in the manifesto: to eliminate the digital divide in society by giving everyone access to office productivity tools free of charge to enable them to participate as full citizens in the 21st century Is it only the possibility for someone to download from TDF/LO-Sites or a more active way like a distribution by pre-installed LO on PC too? What does TDF really/precisely understand with access? The topline states WE COMMIT OURSELVES - so I interpret these as our general goals. More detailed, being the final state we are heading to. Does this tell us how to reach these goals? Not really ... so access is primarily meant to be make available, maybe even your bring to the people (in terms of: make people aware of that). How we reach that goal is a personal matter, or better, related to the local infrastructure. So whether this might be a CD in a magazine, a copy by friends, a download, or a pre-installed version (e.g. with GNU/Linux based distributions) - it doesn't matter, as long as we come closer to our initial goal. The manifesto should rather be our guiding principle - not so much a cookbook ;-) In the case above, I assume the local marketing teams will figure out a way to distribute LibreOffice ... to suit the needs of that many people. Does this help? Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] the Meaning of access in manifesto
Far be it for me to speak on behalf of the TDF, but I would think access here means freedom or ability to obtain, make use of, or participate in something [Legal Dictionary: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/access?r=75] (In this case, of course, something would be office productivity tools, or more specifically, LibreOffice). There are many other definitions of Access on that page that would also work, such as... - the right or privilege to approach, reach, enter, or make use of something - permission, liberty, or ability to enter, approach, communicate with, or pass to and from a place, thing, or person - the state or quality of being approachable - to make contact with or gain access to; be able to reach, approach, enter, etc. - the opportunity or right to see or approach someone Jason Corfman comput...@corfyscorner.com - www.corfyscorner.com -- Take back the Internet! www.getfirefox.com and www.getthunderbird.com -- Get Legal - Get LibreOffice http://www.libreoffice.org Linux user #384496 - Ubuntu User #15390 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Johannes A. Bodwing jo...@arcor.de wrote: Hello, what does access mean in the manifesto: to eliminate the digital divide in society by giving everyone access to office productivity tools free of charge to enable them to participate as full citizens in the 21st century Is it only the possibility for someone to download from TDF/LO-Sites or a more active way like a distribution by pre-installed LO on PC too? What does TDF really/precisely understand with access? Greetings, Johannes -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] the Meaning of access in manifesto
Hi Johannes! Am Dienstag, den 08.02.2011, 23:12 +0100 schrieb Johannes A. Bodwing: The manifesto should rather be our guiding principle - not so much a cookbook ;-) In the case above, I assume the local marketing teams will figure out a way to distribute LibreOffice ... to suit the needs of that many people. Does this help? I'm feeling like stumbling through the fog. If I look at words like independent ..., then is it enough to make people aware of LO? Or should there be a more active way like: What, you have a lousy internet connection? Try it in Internet-Café netlink, XY-Street 45. Use a 500-MB-Stick to download your personel LO, and so on. What would you do, personally? If you think that its helpful to actively bring LibO to the people, then please consider to do that. :-) This is a manifesto, neither a mission statement, nor a strategic marketing plan, nor an action plan (these, by the way, may be derived from that). If we cover such things in detail, then you might have the chance to translate hundreds of pages to cover all the different aspects (I assume that your questions are still related to the translation of the manifesto...). A manifesto is meant to guide on a higher level. Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
