Re: [tdf-discuss] Shapado + Mailing list integration, was Fwd: Reporte para el grupo LibreOffice de Shapado

2011-01-19 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

On 01/18/2011 07:41 PM, Fabián Rodríguez wrote:

On 11-01-17 02:23 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

Fabian this is a random idea, but is it possible to have users that
submit to the discuss mailing list or a new support mailing list, to
be able to have the questions posted there, and then any answers
posted are emailed to those subscribed?

Hi Jonathan,

There are RSS feeds for multiple things in Shapado. For example if you
click on any tag you will get a feed for the particular tag, or you can
get a feed for all questions. You can also get a feed for a specific
question and its answers.

There are some basic hooks to Facebook apps, Twitter and another service
is mentioned to further connect Shapado's data: http://dlvr.it. I
haven't tried any of this yet, but if anyone's interested in playing
with it just ask me and I'll provide admin access - I'll just ask to see
some of your previous participation here on any of LibO's project list.

I know RSS -  mailing list is possible so prsumably that could happen
but mailing list -  shapado, I doubt it, unless someone does it - there
is a RESTful API in the works but I haven't followed that part of the
project.

Direct questions about Shapado itself can be asked here too:
http://shapado.com/

Cheers,

Fabián

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Fabian i would love to try out the other api's available with it such as 
facebook and twitter, as I feel they will be essential in helping us 
extend the user base and outreach.


As you mentioned you would like to see other contributions to the 
project, at the moment i'm only starting to work on a rather large easy 
hack of removing extra space from code files. I submitted the patch but 
I do not think it has made it to the mailing list for review :(


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[tdf-discuss] Features enterprises will love to have in LibreOffice

2011-01-19 Thread Olivier Hallot

Hi
I have collected some features enteprises will love to have implemented 
in LibreOffice and listed them in


http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crazy_Ideas#Features_Enterprises_Will_Love_To_Have_Implemented

Some are quite easy to implement, other may require a longer time for 
development, but all are based on real demand from people that use 
LibreOffice in a enterprise production environment. That is,  they are 
not crazy ideas at all. :-)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Linux distros and LibO packaging

2011-01-19 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Andrea,

Andrea Pescetti wrote (18-01-11 21:13)

The OpenOffice.org experience, and the first distribution-specific
LibreOffice bugs like
http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg04508.html
make me think that fragmentation, while of course allowed by the
license, should be discouraged when it comes to functionality;
I'm not questioning desktop integration or branding, but I'd like to know why
distributions feel they have to make changes to functionality...


I do not expect at all that distros will have much appetite in making 
substantial functional changes. (And I am glad with that ;-) )
The bug you point to, does not suggest that they will make substantial 
changes, though?


Regards,
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Re: [Libreoffice] [tdf-discuss] Linux distros and LibO packaging

2011-01-19 Thread Rene Engelhard
[ fullquoting for discuss@dfs sake. forgot the CC. Not that it matters
much, but anyways. ]

Hi,

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:13:48AM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 09:13:43PM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
  It is a good idea to track changes, but it is probably a questionable
  practice to make changes. I expected LibreOffice to be consistent across
 
 Nonsense. This is OSS.
 
  it). Are there compelling reasons why distributions should ship versions
  of LibreOffice that have significant changes with respect to the
  official version?
 
 Define significant changes? Does ripping off the Mozilla address book
 support (implicitely, because using system-mozilla) count as that? Would
 you prefer Linux distros having a obsolete, patched and insecure Mozilla
 copy there? No, not acceptable.
 
  The OpenOffice.org experience, and the first distribution-specific
  LibreOffice bugs like
  http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg04508.html
 
 Wow. I don't think Petr added a patch here, so it might just be system
 differences? Petr, correct me if I am wrong.
 
 Besides that, distros will have to continue libreoffice-build, which does
 still contain patches. (Removing those would be a big regression about
 what we ship right now)
 
  make me think that fragmentation, while of course allowed by the
  license, should be discouraged when it comes to functionality; I'm not
  questioning desktop integration or branding, but I'd like to know why
  distributions feel they have to make changes to functionality...
 
 Because bugs should be fixed ASAP, not when you think one wants to release.
 What if Debian didn't backport important fixes to it's 3.2.1 from 3.3 or so?
 Should we release wiith known important bugs in a stable release. Living 2
 years with it? No. You have to care about quality.
 
 Besides that, some distro-specific bugs are not by feature patches, but just
 because of other bugs, Like bugs in system-libs, new version of systen lib
 breaking XYZ (e.g. the ) wrapping issue, need to find out the bugnr caused
 by changes in the Unicode Standard and ICU 4.4), build issues etc. Those

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31271 is what I meant here.

 you can't foresee and neither does documenting every change help here.
 
 Get some clue. And don't speak about this if you don't, kthxbye. Noone
 does this intentionally.

Sorry, I apologize for the first two sentences of this. But I am getting
annoyed by those senseless discussions. Should we repeat the errors
Oracle did again?

Grüße/Regards,

René

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Features enterprises will love to have in LibreOffice

2011-01-19 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Hello,

I believe the best feature for the enterprise will be to port LibreOffice to
HTML5, this could be also installed locally in the clients, needing just a
browser to run.

If LibreOffice doesn't go in direction WebBased, it will be soon irrelevant
in the enterprise (as soon as Google Docs, MS Docs, Zoho, Oracle cloud
Office, IBM Cloud Office, etc. are mature enough), since Enterprises want to
deliver Standard Applications directly in the browser, with no need to
administer on premise installations and support.

Cheers!


On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:23, Olivier Hallot 
olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hi
 I have collected some features enteprises will love to have implemented in
 LibreOffice and listed them in


 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crazy_Ideas#Features_Enterprises_Will_Love_To_Have_Implemented

 Some are quite easy to implement, other may require a longer time for
 development, but all are based on real demand from people that use
 LibreOffice in a enterprise production environment. That is,  they are not
 crazy ideas at all. :-)

 Regards
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Linux distros and LibO packaging

2011-01-19 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi,

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 09:49:51PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
 and, possibly, Debian might need to ship an acceptably free version 
 by their own standards if there were any doubt as to the appropriate 
 freeness of the LibreOffice code by the standards of the particular
 distribution involved.

yep.

 In addition, Debian may need to patch heavily to meet the requirements
 of some of the disparate hardware architectures, for example.

Well, not that heavily, and even if so I'd immediately give that back
anyways.

Grüße/Regards,

René

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Linux distros and LibO packaging

2011-01-19 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 08:07:03AM +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
 I am interested to see Rene's input on this as he is part of the
 Debian team.

Thanks, answered both Andrea and Andrew.

Grüße/Regards,

René

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Features enterprises will love to have in LibreOffice

2011-01-19 Thread Christophe Strobbe



At 11:48 19/01/2011, Jaime R. Garza wrote:

Hello,

I believe the best feature for the enterprise will be to port LibreOffice to
HTML5, this could be also installed locally in the clients, needing just a
browser to run.

If LibreOffice doesn't go in direction WebBased, it will be soon irrelevant
in the enterprise (...)


The enterprise is not the only (potential) user of LibreOffice.
There is a significant part of the world that does not want to or 
cannot depend on network connections for every type of work, e.g. 
because not everyone is on the Internet [1] or because they have 
their own reasons for not using software as a service.


[1] http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats1.htm, 
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats3.htm


Best regards,

Christophe Strobbe



Cheers!


On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:23, Olivier Hallot 
olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hi
 I have collected some features enteprises will love to have implemented in
 LibreOffice and listed them in


 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crazy_Ideas#Features_Enterprises_Will_Love_To_Have_Implemented


 Some are quite easy to implement, other may require a longer time for
 development, but all are based on real demand from people that use
 LibreOffice in a enterprise production environment. That is,  they are not
 crazy ideas at all. :-)

 Regards
 --
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 Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation





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Re: [tdf-discuss] Features enterprises will love to have in LibreOffice

2011-01-19 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

On 01/19/2011 12:15 PM, Christophe Strobbe wrote:



At 11:48 19/01/2011, Jaime R. Garza wrote:

Hello,

I believe the best feature for the enterprise will be to port 
LibreOffice to
HTML5, this could be also installed locally in the clients, needing 
just a

browser to run.

If LibreOffice doesn't go in direction WebBased, it will be soon 
irrelevant

in the enterprise (...)


The enterprise is not the only (potential) user of LibreOffice.
There is a significant part of the world that does not want to or 
cannot depend on network connections for every type of work, e.g. 
because not everyone is on the Internet [1] or because they have their 
own reasons for not using software as a service.


[1] http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats1.htm, 
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats3.htm


Best regards,

Christophe Strobbe



Cheers!


On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:23, Olivier Hallot 
olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hi
 I have collected some features enteprises will love to have 
implemented in

 LibreOffice and listed them in


 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crazy_Ideas#Features_Enterprises_Will_Love_To_Have_Implemented


 Some are quite easy to implement, other may require a longer time for
 development, but all are based on real demand from people that use
 LibreOffice in a enterprise production environment. That is,  they 
are not

 crazy ideas at all. :-)

 Regards
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 Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation





I would have to side with Jaime. i don't think we should rule out all 
together having a web based version. I have used Google doc's a number 
of times, and in all honesty for my business i would really consider 
using a web based version when out of the office as it functions like a 
centralized storage until i get back to the office.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Spam filtering the mailing lists

2011-01-19 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-01-18 22.41:

Removed every spam message i had. next time ill forward them to you.


thanks a lot! I will then try to investigate where they come from.

Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] xlsx files over 65536 rows not fully saved in Calc

2011-01-19 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-19 12:43 AM, Kohei Yoshida wrote:
 Fixing it the right way will be very invasive, and risks breaking the
 xls (not xlsx, xls the binary) import and export filters into utterly
 useless state (I mean, really useless).  This is because so much code is
 shared between the xls import/export filters and the xlsx export filter,
 and the offending code is in the common part of the filters code, and
 its effect is broad.

??? I guess I'm totally missing something.

Why not just duplicate the filters and separate them? Then you can
manipulate the xlsx filter to your hearts content without affecting the
xls filter at all.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Features enterprises will love to have in LibreOffice

2011-01-19 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Hello Christoph,

sorry, but an HTML5 LibreOffice could be also installed locally in a client,
as I said before. And the LibreOffice Community will only have to maintain
one HTLM5 version for any platform. Now there are 3 versions, Linux, Mac, 
Windows.

So, as conclusion, a HTML5 LibreOffice has following advantages:

- SaaS - HTML5 also allows offline usage, basically the Google Gears
Technology is being implemented into HTML5
- Local installation is also possible in any desktop!
- Platform-independent
- Only one main version for all! Saving the parallel development

Cheers!

Jaime


On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:15, Christophe Strobbe 
christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be wrote:



 At 11:48 19/01/2011, Jaime R. Garza wrote:

 Hello,

 I believe the best feature for the enterprise will be to port LibreOffice
 to
 HTML5, this could be also installed locally in the clients, needing just a
 browser to run.

 If LibreOffice doesn't go in direction WebBased, it will be soon
 irrelevant
 in the enterprise (...)


 The enterprise is not the only (potential) user of LibreOffice.
 There is a significant part of the world that does not want to or cannot
 depend on network connections for every type of work, e.g. because not
 everyone is on the Internet [1] or because they have their own reasons for
 not using software as a service.

 [1] http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats1.htm, 
 http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats3.htm

 Best regards,

 Christophe Strobbe



  Cheers!


 On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:23, Olivier Hallot 
 olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

  Hi
  I have collected some features enteprises will love to have implemented
 in
  LibreOffice and listed them in
 
 
 
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crazy_Ideas#Features_Enterprises_Will_Love_To_Have_Implemented
 
  Some are quite easy to implement, other may require a longer time for
  development, but all are based on real demand from people that use
  LibreOffice in a enterprise production environment. That is,  they are
 not
  crazy ideas at all. :-)
 
  Regards
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[tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Features enterprises will love to have in LibreOffice

2011-01-19 Thread Tor Lillqvist
 I have collected some features enteprises will love to have implemented 
 in LibreOffice and listed them in
 
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crazy_Ideas#Features_Enterprises_Will_Love_To_Have_Implemented

Great, but why is this on the Crazy Ideas page? Those are far from crazy ideas;)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] xlsx files over 65536 rows not fully saved in Calc

2011-01-19 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 06:52 -0500, Charles Marcus wrote:
 On 2011-01-19 12:43 AM, Kohei Yoshida wrote:
  Fixing it the right way will be very invasive, and risks breaking the
  xls (not xlsx, xls the binary) import and export filters into utterly
  useless state (I mean, really useless).  This is because so much code is
  shared between the xls import/export filters and the xlsx export filter,
  and the offending code is in the common part of the filters code, and
  its effect is broad.
 
 ??? I guess I'm totally missing something.
 
 Why not just duplicate the filters and separate them? Then you can
 manipulate the xlsx filter to your hearts content without affecting the
 xls filter at all.

Because that's a maintenance nightmare.  We'd tried that before.

Anyway, if you want to discuss technical details about this issue, let's
take this to the dev list.  I'm sure there are more qualified people
willing to participate in the discussion, which is better than just me
answering all the questions.

Kohei

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion

2011-01-19 Thread toki
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On 01/19/2011 09:17 PM, Andy Brown wrote:

 Why add something more to bloat the package when an extension already exist?

Probably because the person wants something that works.  And the
extension you suggest does not work.

 http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/ReadabilityReport
 it should work just as well with LibreOffice as with OpenOffice.org.

You do realize that that extension causes both LibO and OOo to crash
every time it is called, don't you.

jonathon
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion

2011-01-19 Thread Andy Brown

On Wed Jan 19 2011 16:55:15 GMT-0800 (PST)  toki wrote:

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On 01/19/2011 09:17 PM, Andy Brown wrote:


Why add something more to bloat the package when an extension already exist?


Probably because the person wants something that works.  And the
extension you suggest does not work.


http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/ReadabilityReport
it should work just as well with LibreOffice as with OpenOffice.org.


You do realize that that extension causes both LibO and OOo to crash
every time it is called, don't you.



Been a while since I used it, so no I did not realize that it was broke. 
 But with all the changes to both programs I guess it is not 
surprising.  Some basic features in the current RC of both are messed up 
as it is.




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Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion

2011-01-19 Thread Marius Popa
How to use the extension? When the report shows up?

On 20 January 2011 03:05, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote:

 On Wed Jan 19 2011 16:55:15 GMT-0800 (PST)  toki wrote:

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 On 01/19/2011 09:17 PM, Andy Brown wrote:

  Why add something more to bloat the package when an extension already
 exist?


 Probably because the person wants something that works.  And the
 extension you suggest does not work.

  http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/ReadabilityReport
 it should work just as well with LibreOffice as with OpenOffice.org.


 You do realize that that extension causes both LibO and OOo to crash
 every time it is called, don't you.


 Been a while since I used it, so no I did not realize that it was broke.
  But with all the changes to both programs I guess it is not surprising.
  Some basic features in the current RC of both are messed up as it is.




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Re: [tdf-discuss] Shapado + Mailing list integration, was Fwd: Reporte para el grupo LibreOffice de Shapado

2011-01-19 Thread threethirty
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On 01/19/2011 03:04 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
 On 01/18/2011 07:41 PM, Fabián Rodríguez wrote:
 On 11-01-17 02:23 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
 Fabian this is a random idea, but is it possible to have users that
 submit to the discuss mailing list or a new support mailing list, to
 be able to have the questions posted there, and then any answers
 posted are emailed to those subscribed?
 Hi Jonathan,

 There are RSS feeds for multiple things in Shapado. For example if you
 click on any tag you will get a feed for the particular tag, or you can
 get a feed for all questions. You can also get a feed for a specific
 question and its answers.

 There are some basic hooks to Facebook apps, Twitter and another service
 is mentioned to further connect Shapado's data: http://dlvr.it. I
 haven't tried any of this yet, but if anyone's interested in playing
 with it just ask me and I'll provide admin access - I'll just ask to see
 some of your previous participation here on any of LibO's project list.

 I know RSS -  mailing list is possible so prsumably that could happen
 but mailing list -  shapado, I doubt it, unless someone does it - there
 is a RESTful API in the works but I haven't followed that part of the
 project.

 Direct questions about Shapado itself can be asked here too:
 http://shapado.com/

 Cheers,

 Fabián

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 Fabian i would love to try out the other api's available with it such as
 facebook and twitter, as I feel they will be essential in helping us
 extend the user base and outreach.
 
 As you mentioned you would like to see other contributions to the
 project, at the moment i'm only starting to work on a rather large easy
 hack of removing extra space from code files. I submitted the patch but
 I do not think it has made it to the mailing list for review :(
 

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion

2011-01-19 Thread Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)


Þann fim 20.jan 2011 01:05, skrifaði Andy Brown:

On Wed Jan 19 2011 16:55:15 GMT-0800 (PST) toki wrote:

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On 01/19/2011 09:17 PM, Andy Brown wrote:


Why add something more to bloat the package when an
extension already exist?


Probably because the person wants something that works.
And the
extension you suggest does not work.


http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/ReadabilityReport

it should work just as well with LibreOffice as with
OpenOffice.org.


You do realize that that extension causes both LibO and
OOo to crash
every time it is called, don't you.



Been a while since I used it, so no I did not realize that
it was broke. But with all the changes to both programs I
guess it is not surprising. Some basic features in the
current RC of both are messed up as it is.



Apparently it's a Windows-only thing.

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