Re: [Autonomo.us] Crabgrass?
Dear Hunger ... could you perhaps explain why you think those 3 are related? Michel On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Hunger hun...@dardardar.org wrote: I've been real interested in Crabgrass, Elgg, and BuddyPress. A challenge, as noted by others here on this list and elsewhere, will be seeing if such software can be used to build federated services. Possibly fun project for those more savvy than me: implement two copies of Crabgrass (or Elgg, or BuddyPress) in two separate directories and hack the installations so that they can communicate with each other (e.g., allow a user of Service X to add a user of Service Y as a friend). Extra credit: implement each of Crabgrass, Elgg, and BuddyPress, and hack the installations so that they can all communicate with each other. Who knows, maybe this software is not well suited for what we really want (federated services); I'd like to know. On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:19:40 -0700, RhinoKitty rhinoki...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The idea in another thread was mentioned about a non surveillance based social networking web application, presumably that could be federated across different instances. The folks at Riseup.net are working toward a similar goal and might be more philosophically aligned with autonomo.us than Google: http://riseuplabs.org/crabgrass/ (devlopment information) https://we.riseup.net/ (an instance running) --ian-- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University - Research: http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html - Think thank: http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Autonomo.us] Crabgrass?
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:21:27 +0700, Michel Bauwens michelsub2...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Hunger ... could you perhaps explain why you think those 3 are related? Michel Technically speaking? Elgg and BuddyPress use PHP and MySQL, while Crabgrass uses Ruby on Rails and MySQL. Beyond that, I'm not sure, but I'd like to know... Generally speaking? They are all software packages which can be used to create social-networking services. See, e.g.: http://autonomo.us/wiki/Wish_list#Social ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Autonomo.us] Crabgrass?
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 13:12 -0500, Hunger wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:04:23 -0400, Ted Smith ted...@gmail.com wrote: I think it would be valuable to try to define a set of primitive operations that a social networking protocol could be based on, and a clear way of extending the protocol (so activist-oriented sites like Crabgrass could offer crabgrass-crabgrass features that Elgg wouldn't have to implement) before starting to hack on stuff. It would be nice to do this the right way before cruft becomes the standard. I totally agree, though I do think some casual exploration might help in formulating such protocols and/or figuring out what is and what is not possible. I think I may have thrown this idea out already, but it seems possible to create a social-networking protocol based on the OMB protocol (and compatible with the OMB protocol). I feel ambivalent about that. On the one hand, MB and social networking seem like different problems that require different solutions, but on the other hand, maybe the OMB protocol could be used to provide primitives for a social networking protocol (OSNP?). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Autonomo.us] Crabgrass?
This sounds like you are essentially contemplating re-inventing Wave. -t On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 14:18 -0400, Ted Smith wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 13:12 -0500, Hunger wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:04:23 -0400, Ted Smith ted...@gmail.com wrote: I think it would be valuable to try to define a set of primitive operations that a social networking protocol could be based on, and a clear way of extending the protocol (so activist-oriented sites like Crabgrass could offer crabgrass-crabgrass features that Elgg wouldn't have to implement) before starting to hack on stuff. It would be nice to do this the right way before cruft becomes the standard. I totally agree, though I do think some casual exploration might help in formulating such protocols and/or figuring out what is and what is not possible. I think I may have thrown this idea out already, but it seems possible to create a social-networking protocol based on the OMB protocol (and compatible with the OMB protocol). I feel ambivalent about that. On the one hand, MB and social networking seem like different problems that require different solutions, but on the other hand, maybe the OMB protocol could be used to provide primitives for a social networking protocol (OSNP?). ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Autonomo.us] Crabgrass?
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 14:59 -0400, Ted Smith wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 11:54 -0700, Thomas Lord wrote: This sounds like you are essentially contemplating re-inventing Wave. -t That very well could be. I haven't looked very much at it. I do feel, though, that it might be better for the free software community to have an open, unencumbered protocol akin to the OMB protocol that we know we can trust to be available to us. I predict that if the world of computing travels further into the clouds, Google's behavior will become like that of Microsoft's. What do you mean by: if the world of computing travels further into the clouds? -t ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Autonomo.us] Crabgrass?
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 16:46 -0400, Ted Smith wrote: By Cloud computing, I mean the trend of computer use wherein software runs on a machine not controlled by the end-user, manipulating data stored on a machine not controlled by the end-user. Does my statement make sense then? It does in this context but that usage isn't normal in general. I don't think not controlled by the end-user is an essential part of what people usually mean. I'm finishing up a separate message about cloud and utility computing. hang on. -t ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Autonomo.us] Crabgrass?
Hi Ian, There is a serious possibility to organize a workshop on collaborative platforms, which would invite various people working on similar projects, to investigate synergies etc... Do you know anybody there that I could contact? Michel On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:19 AM, RhinoKitty rhinoki...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The idea in another thread was mentioned about a non surveillance based social networking web application, presumably that could be federated across different instances. The folks at Riseup.net are working toward a similar goal and might be more philosophically aligned with autonomo.us than Google: http://riseuplabs.org/crabgrass/ (devlopment information) https://we.riseup.net/ (an instance running) --ian-- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University - Research: http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html - Think thank: http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Autonomo.us] Crabgrass?
Hrm, they are a pseudonymous tech collective, you can reach them through collect...@riseup.net, but I don't know anyone personally. --ian-- Michel Bauwens wrote: Hi Ian, There is a serious possibility to organize a workshop on collaborative platforms, which would invite various people working on similar projects, to investigate synergies etc... Do you know anybody there that I could contact? Michel On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:19 AM, RhinoKitty rhinoki...@gmail.com mailto:rhinoki...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The idea in another thread was mentioned about a non surveillance based social networking web application, presumably that could be federated across different instances. The folks at Riseup.net are working toward a similar goal and might be more philosophically aligned with autonomo.us http://autonomo.us than Google: http://riseuplabs.org/crabgrass/ (devlopment information) https://we.riseup.net/ (an instance running) --ian-- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us mailto:Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University - Research: http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html - Think thank: http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.autonomo.us http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss
