Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-06-04 Thread maria
Hello again,

first of all, thank you so much for participating and giving your
contribution to this thread, we picked up so much from it...

Now comes the time to pick up ideas... Whould you have any further
suggestion about how to manage job or similar posts for IXDA
community, please, come up...

I've noticed a great activity on linkedin for that concerning the
ixda group... Would that of carrying hiring manager to post job
opportunities through linked-in be an idea? Does anyone of you use
linked-in to host their portfolio and what is your opinion about it?

Thank you once more...


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-06-04 Thread Jaanus Kase
As someone doing some hiring/recruiting and also having used paid
postings, here's my 2c:

I would pay for the job posting IF it was syndicated across both
Coroflot and IxDA. I would NOT pay a double fee to post to both
Coroflot and IxDA, in that case I'd just stick with Coroflot. When
making a posting, it would be great to select the categories and have
the posting posted to either Coroflot, IxDA or both, depending on the
position in question (some are more relevant for one and some for the
other).


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-21 Thread Michael Micheletti
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Maria De Monte mtdemo...@yahoo.it wrote:

 1)
 Would you pay a fee to post a job at IxDA.org using Coroflot’s service,
 knowing that half of the fee you’ll be paying would go to fund IxDA
 activities?


For a really high-end top-tier position, where you want to attract talent of
highest experience and caliber, perhaps this makes sense. But for
internships, mid-level, new hires, developers, people around the fringe of
UX, I wonder if these jobs would get posted. I'd expect we'd see fewer
opportunities than we currently do on this list.




 3) How valuable would the portfolio service be to you?


I have a Coroflot portfolio already via the AIGA and I've received many
inquiries from it, from people I didn't know about before, who were
contacting me about interesting opportunities. I know that some people on
this list are unenthusiastic about portfolios for a variety of reasons, but
recruiters do search on Coroflot for designers. If you're not there, they're
not finding you.




 4) Should a Coroflot-hosted Job Board at IxDA.org display available jobs in
 categories OUTSIDE
 of Interaction Design? The other specialities they presently handle
 include fields such as Architecture; Art Direction; Design Management;
 Industrial Design; and Motion Graphics.


I'd like just one Coroflot portfolio to maintain please, for both AIGA and
IxDA. But I'm in that fuzzy area between UX, development, and visual design
so maybe I'm an outlier.

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-20 Thread Vance
I would probably not use the job board, but have been actively
watching the job postings here because I am seeking (NYC).

There are many other job boards I already follow, and it'd be
tedious to add another to the mix. I like that, interspersed with the
lively discussions that make this list helpful, I can find out about
career opportunities.

Regards,
Vance


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-20 Thread Angel Marquez
Find out which recruiters get the highest bounty, make them pay a percentage
to post and let everyone else use it for free.
If you are going to profit from it your should have to put back, right?

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-20 Thread Elizabeth Bacon
What great input! Please keep it coming...IxDA is the organization
that we make together! We'd especially love to hear from recruiters
or other people who've posted jobs on IxD Discuss in the past. 

Best,
Liz, IxDA Vice-President  Conan Creative Director 


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-19 Thread Scott McDaniel
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Maria De Monte mtdemo...@yahoo.it wrote:
 Hello IxDA members,
        IxDA is considering undertaking a partnership with Coroflot 
 (http://www.coroflot.com/) to handle the job-related posts that now come 
 through our discussion list. We need your input on this question!
        1)
 Would you pay a fee to post a job at IxDA.org using Coroflot’s service,
 knowing that half of the fee you’ll be paying would go to fund IxDA
 activities?

Alas, no - I'd support IxDA in general, but it's been articulated
already why this wouldn't fly in general.
I'd think the membership would want as open a channel as possible to
opportunities.

 2) How would you want to deal with other job-related opportunities such as 
 internships, PhD, part-time positions and so on?

As above.

 3) How valuable would the portfolio service be to you?

Hard to answer- I like Coroflot's portfolios already?

 4) Should a Coroflot-hosted Job Board at IxDA.org display available jobs in 
 categories OUTSIDE
 of Interaction Design? The other specialities they presently handle
 include fields such as Architecture; Art Direction; Design Management;
 Industrial Design; and Motion Graphics.

I'm thinking only as they overlap with IxD, cf. the infinite debates
over job titles and roles.  I consider it
a user experience issue if a hiring/HR manager bounces off the low
initial hurdle of not being able to find
Information Architect, UX Designer, Wireframe Commando or whatever
name their company has in mind
when it would fit someone in the organization.

Thank you for asking!

Scott

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-19 Thread Jonathan
At this point, we need to do whatever we can to increase the number of
practicing Interaction Designers.  Providing free contact between
employers and seekers helps this effort.  

Job posters, if they have that kind of budget, will likely be posting
to sites like Coroflot anyway.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-19 Thread Rich Rogan
As far as these questions go, I've posted contract jobs and full time jobs
on IxDA and I would not pay $200 + to do this, (I don't make anything off
these jobs).

As per individual questions:


   1)Would you pay a fee to post a job at IxDA.org using Coroflot’s
service,
knowing that half of the fee you’ll be paying would go to fund IxDA
activities? - JRR - Not that high of a fee, maybe a sliding scale, starting
at $50.00. I think IxDA could earn enough to operate via focussed fund
raising events, (or just ask members for $$$ for specific purposes).

2) How would you want to deal with other job-related opportunities such as
internships, PhD, part-time positions and so on? - JRR - These should be
free/low cost if possible.

3) How valuable would the portfolio service be to you? - JRR - Having
duplicate portfolios along with my business site is nice, some very simple
service could do probably just as well.

4) Should a Coroflot-hosted Job Board at IxDA.org display available jobs in
categories OUTSIDE
of Interaction Design? The other specialities they presently handle
include fields such as Architecture; Art Direction; Design Management;
Industrial Design; and Motion Graphics. - JRR - This dilutes IxDA message,
and is of questionable benefit, unless somehow tied to the fact that these
jobs are of an IxDA nature.

Rich
(PS - Sorry for not helping out more, it's been a busy 2nd Quarter ;)



On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Jonathan jonat...@sustain.us wrote:

 At this point, we need to do whatever we can to increase the number of
 practicing Interaction Designers.  Providing free contact between
 employers and seekers helps this effort.

 Job posters, if they have that kind of budget, will likely be posting
 to sites like Coroflot anyway.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-19 Thread Harvinder
One possible option is to keep ixda jobs free but give corofloat an
additional opportunity to display their jobs on ixda. You can charge them a
minor fee of 25 or 50 dollars per position. A lot of paid job boards like
Dice and Careebuilder do that where they partner up with other job boards to
display listings on other sites and have a partnership where they pay them a
small amount to list the jobs.
Advantage to Corofloat will be they will get an additional place to list
their jobs with relevant target audience. Corofloat can also let the job
posting people know about the partnership with IXDA showing an increased
value.
Advantage to ixda will be some funding contribution from corofloat,
additional job postings and can still keep their own free postings. 
May be ixda to do some job related funding can sponsor a banner every month
where the banner can direct people directly to company's website. 

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Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts
to fund IXDA activitiesother issues


Hi Maria,

I think the biggest danger in losing job postings is in edge cases. If my
company posts a job, and I'm simply trying to let my fellow interaction
wonks know about it, there's no chance at all I would bother considering
that posting fee. I think you'd find almost unanimous agreement with that
sentiment.

For recruiters and companies looking for IxDers, it makes total sense, but
can we work out some system by which members can forward jobs from their
parent companies without having to pay a fee? After all, that's almost like
a community service, expsoing our fellow IxDers job opportunities in a
recession economy is one of the core benefits of having an association like
this.

Unless your model would also permit users to post jobs in the forums without
penalty, it might result in a net loss of postings.

I don't have a strong opinion on this, I'm just using my self as a generic
persona example. If I found out that there was a job at my company, but my
company was unwilling to pay a posting fee, what could I do with that
information? If I could still post it to the forums, well, no problem, but
if I would have to pay a fee, I would not bother.

Just some thoughts.

Sincerely,
Damon Dimmick
SitePen Inc.


Maria De Monte wrote:
 Hello IxDA members,

   IxDA is considering undertaking a partnership with Coroflot
(http://www.coroflot.com/) to handle the job-related posts that now come
through our discussion list. We need your input on this question! 

   Coroflot
 has hosted the Job Board at both Interaction conferences, and they're 
 eager to work with us. Here are a few lines from Coroflot's About Us
 page (http://www.coroflot.com/public/aboutus.asp):
 Coroflot was started by designers, and is still run by designers [.] 
 Coroflot is an open system. There are no membership requirements, 
 application processes, or invites. [.] Coroflot is the creative world 
 at work.

   To pursue this partnership, IxDA would integrate a Coroflot-hosted 
 Job Board into our upcoming new website at IxDA.org.
 Additionally, there is a possibility for Coroflot to provide us with a 
 portfolio service, so that IxDA members could have a personal 
 portfolio at IxDA.org and reach a wider audience. To see some examples 
 of how Coroflot provides partner-branded Job Boards, some of their 
 partner sites are with:

   Business Week (http://jobs.businessweek.com/a/all-jobs/list);

 Design Observer 
 (http://designobserver.coroflot.com/public/jobs_browse.asp);

 AIGA (http://www.aigadesignjobs.org/public/default.asp)

   For IxDA members, searching for jobs and having an online portfolio 
 would be free. However, POSTING a job would involve a $265 fee paid to 
 Coroflot that would be split 50/50 with IxDA. This income provides a 
 potential revenue stream to fund IxDA's activities at the global and local
level.

   However,
 we are concerned about having a possible conflict with IxDA's current 
 totally-free philosophy. We don't want to lose job postings that may 
 be coming from IxDA members who do not have a budget for posting such 
 opportunities. Additionally, we would have to work with Coroflot to 
 customize their service so that we can ensure that local job postings 
 are displayed/accessible from the upcoming Local Group mini-sites.

   So, here

Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-19 Thread josh Seiden
I really like Harvinder's idea.


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[IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-18 Thread Maria De Monte
Hello IxDA members,

IxDA is considering undertaking a partnership with Coroflot 
(http://www.coroflot.com/) to handle the job-related posts that now come 
through our discussion list. We need your input on this question! 

Coroflot
has hosted the Job Board at both Interaction conferences, and they’re
eager to work with us. Here are a few lines from Coroflot’s “About Us”
page (http://www.coroflot.com/public/aboutus.asp):
“Coroflot was started by designers, and is still run by designers […]
Coroflot is an open system. There are no membership requirements,
application processes, or invites. […] Coroflot is the creative world
at work.” 

To pursue this partnership, IxDA would integrate
a Coroflot-hosted Job Board into our upcoming new website at IxDA.org.
Additionally, there is a possibility for Coroflot to provide us with a
portfolio service, so that IxDA members could have a personal portfolio
at IxDA.org and reach a wider audience. To see some examples of how
Coroflot provides partner-branded Job Boards, some of their partner
sites are with:

Business Week (http://jobs.businessweek.com/a/all-jobs/list);

Design Observer (http://designobserver.coroflot.com/public/jobs_browse.asp);

AIGA (http://www.aigadesignjobs.org/public/default.asp)

For IxDA members, searching for jobs and having an online portfolio 
would be free. However, POSTING
a job would involve a $265 fee paid to Coroflot that would be split
50/50 with IxDA. This income provides a potential revenue stream to
fund IxDA’s activities at the global and local level. 

However,
we are concerned about having a possible conflict with IxDA’s current
totally-free philosophy. We don’t want to lose job postings that may be
coming from IxDA members who do not have a budget for posting such
opportunities. Additionally, we would have to work with Coroflot to
customize their service so that we can ensure that local job postings
are displayed/accessible from the upcoming Local Group mini-sites. 

So, here are some of our questions to the membership: 

1)
Would you pay a fee to post a job at IxDA.org using Coroflot’s service,
knowing that half of the fee you’ll be paying would go to fund IxDA
activities? 

2) How would you want to deal with other job-related opportunities such as 
internships, PhD, part-time positions and so on? 

3) How valuable would the portfolio service be to you? 

4) Should a Coroflot-hosted Job Board at IxDA.org display available jobs in 
categories OUTSIDE
of Interaction Design? The other specialities they presently handle
include fields such as Architecture; Art Direction; Design Management;
Industrial Design; and Motion Graphics. 

Please let us know your thoughts—we’re waiting for your contribution! 

Regards,

Maria and the IxDA Conan team


  

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-18 Thread Jason Robb
Hm, interesting. Here are my 2 cents.

1) I wouldn't pay, although I've never needed to post a job, so my
opinion is a bit irrelevant and not the target audience.

2) Not sure what this means. As someone who is *looking* for a job,
I'd like to see those positions as well as full-time stuff.

3) Portfolio service = totally worthless. I would never use it, I
have my own portfolio on my website and in a PDF. Although a place to
post it or reference it might be helpful. For instance, if someone
(an employer) is looking for a UX designer (me) then they could search
the Coroflot profiles for UXD's and find me, hopefully. That's how
it could help me.

4) How *outside* of IxD are you thinking? IA, UX, visual design,
front-end coding, things like this that overlap areas of my job would
be acceptable. I've never heard of a User Experience designer for
Architecture, but I suppose if they're looking for someone in IxD/UX
then that would be fine to post in the same stream.

Additionally, I agree the totally-free philosophy should remain
intact. I'd suggest keeping this somehow.

Thanks,

Jason R.

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-18 Thread Damon Dimmick

Hi Maria,

I think the biggest danger in losing job postings is in edge cases. If
my company posts a job, and I'm simply trying to let my fellow
interaction wonks know about it, there's no chance at all I would bother
considering that posting fee. I think you'd find almost unanimous
agreement with that sentiment.

For recruiters and companies looking for IxDers, it makes total sense,
but can we work out some system by which members can forward jobs from
their parent companies without having to pay a fee? After all, that's
almost like a community service, expsoing our fellow IxDers job
opportunities in a recession economy is one of the core benefits of
having an association like this.

Unless your model would also permit users to post jobs in the forums
without penalty, it might result in a net loss of postings.

I don't have a strong opinion on this, I'm just using my self as a
generic persona example. If I found out that there was a job at my
company, but my company was unwilling to pay a posting fee, what could I
do with that information? If I could still post it to the forums, well,
no problem, but if I would have to pay a fee, I would not bother.

Just some thoughts.

Sincerely,
Damon Dimmick
SitePen Inc.


Maria De Monte wrote:
 Hello IxDA members,

   IxDA is considering undertaking a partnership with Coroflot 
 (http://www.coroflot.com/) to handle the job-related posts that now come 
 through our discussion list. We need your input on this question! 

   Coroflot
 has hosted the Job Board at both Interaction conferences, and they’re
 eager to work with us. Here are a few lines from Coroflot’s “About Us”
 page (http://www.coroflot.com/public/aboutus.asp):
 “Coroflot was started by designers, and is still run by designers […]
 Coroflot is an open system. There are no membership requirements,
 application processes, or invites. […] Coroflot is the creative world
 at work.” 

   To pursue this partnership, IxDA would integrate
 a Coroflot-hosted Job Board into our upcoming new website at IxDA.org.
 Additionally, there is a possibility for Coroflot to provide us with a
 portfolio service, so that IxDA members could have a personal portfolio
 at IxDA.org and reach a wider audience. To see some examples of how
 Coroflot provides partner-branded Job Boards, some of their partner
 sites are with:

   Business Week (http://jobs.businessweek.com/a/all-jobs/list);

 Design Observer (http://designobserver.coroflot.com/public/jobs_browse.asp);

 AIGA (http://www.aigadesignjobs.org/public/default.asp)

   For IxDA members, searching for jobs and having an online portfolio 
 would be free. However, POSTING
 a job would involve a $265 fee paid to Coroflot that would be split
 50/50 with IxDA. This income provides a potential revenue stream to
 fund IxDA’s activities at the global and local level. 

   However,
 we are concerned about having a possible conflict with IxDA’s current
 totally-free philosophy. We don’t want to lose job postings that may be
 coming from IxDA members who do not have a budget for posting such
 opportunities. Additionally, we would have to work with Coroflot to
 customize their service so that we can ensure that local job postings
 are displayed/accessible from the upcoming Local Group mini-sites. 

   So, here are some of our questions to the membership: 

   1)
 Would you pay a fee to post a job at IxDA.org using Coroflot’s service,
 knowing that half of the fee you’ll be paying would go to fund IxDA
 activities? 

 2) How would you want to deal with other job-related opportunities such as 
 internships, PhD, part-time positions and so on? 

 3) How valuable would the portfolio service be to you? 

 4) Should a Coroflot-hosted Job Board at IxDA.org display available jobs in 
 categories OUTSIDE
 of Interaction Design? The other specialities they presently handle
 include fields such as Architecture; Art Direction; Design Management;
 Industrial Design; and Motion Graphics. 

   Please let us know your thoughts—we’re waiting for your contribution! 

   Regards,

 Maria and the IxDA Conan team


   
 
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-18 Thread Jack Moffett

1)
Would you pay a fee to post a job at IxDA.org using Coroflot’s  
service,

knowing that half of the fee you’ll be paying would go to fund IxDA
activities?


While I have no problem funding IxDA—I've donated before—no, I  
probably would not. I just posted a job description to list for the  
first time last week. It was for an internship position. I've received  
two replies so far from people that I wouldn't have reached through  
other channels, but I wouldn't have paid to post it. I have enough  
other channels that it would not seem worth it.


Could it be free for members to post, but cost money for non-members?  
Probably not, as we don't really have a way to track membership, and  
since membership is free, anyone wanting to post could just become a  
member.



2) How would you want to deal with other job-related opportunities  
such as internships, PhD, part-time positions and so on?


Again, that seems a bit expensive for a summer intern position. If we  
were to charge for job posts, I would expect such positions to be  
discounted, if not free.




3) How valuable would the portfolio service be to you?


Not very, but then, I'm not looking for work. If I were in need of a  
job, I might think differently. But I wouldn't want to pay for that  
either, when I can put a portfolio up on my own site. It would be an  
additional channel, not the only one.



4) Should a Coroflot-hosted Job Board at IxDA.org display available  
jobs in categories OUTSIDE

of Interaction Design? The other specialities they presently handle
include fields such as Architecture; Art Direction; Design Management;
Industrial Design; and Motion Graphics.


I would argue no. The value of having an IxDA job board is knowing  
that it's going to have IxD jobs (for the designers looking for jobs)  
and that IxDers will be looking at it (for the companies wanting to  
hire). Adding other stuff just muddies the waters.





Jack L. Moffett
Senior Interaction Designer
inmedius
412.459.0310 x219
http://www.inmedius.com


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It is, in effect, conditioned
to prefer bad design, because
that is what it lives with.
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Conan Team to IXDA members]: Paying job posts to fund IXDA activitiesother issues

2009-05-18 Thread live


With the current economy?
No.
Most folks I know looking to fill openings go word of mouth,  
craigslist or headhunter.

And very few of the latter.

Would you pay a fee to post a job at IxDA.org using Coroflot’s  
service,

knowing that half of the fee you’ll be paying would go to fund IxDA
activities?




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