[IxDA Discuss] Edge Case Design of IA vs. IxD
So, once again, I'll propose all this bickering about the difference of IA/IxD, or why people aren't UX Designers, but are IAs or IxDs is an argument for 0.001%. The case where any of us are working on a system that won't have both IA and IxD is statistically non-existent. So, why are we arguing over 0.001%? Incidentally, whether intentional or not, the appearance here is that IxD is trying to become the dominant field in UX and not acknowledge that the IA field can or has evolved. Dan, I have the utmost respect for you, your work, and your contributions to the community, but some of your most recent claims, like games don't have IA, are simply bogus (as I've clearly shown by illustrating they do have IA). Is IxD purely Interface design? Is IA purely about content for the web? It's pathetic that this even has to be asked. This is like watching a bunch of kindergartners argue over which MM is better. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel Principal Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. -- Contact Info Voice: (215) 825-7423 Email: t...@messagefirst.com AIM:twar...@mac.com Blog: http://toddwarfel.com Twitter:zakiwarfel -- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Edge Case Design of IA vs. IxD
On Mar 31, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote: Incidentally, whether intentional or not, the appearance here is that IxD is trying to become the dominant field in UX and not acknowledge that the IA field can or has evolved. Just to be clear, I'm not attempting to state that Dan is crafting this argument, or that he's the one behind this appearance, but it is a common perception that comes up during discussions I've had with practitioners in the field who do both IA and IxD among other things. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel Principal Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. -- Contact Info Voice: (215) 825-7423 Email: t...@messagefirst.com AIM:twar...@mac.com Blog: http://toddwarfel.com Twitter:zakiwarfel -- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] Edge Case Design of IA vs. IxD
The Introduction to About Face 3 contains a very simple venn diagram that I first described here on this list: I like to think of User Experience Design as a 3-circle Venn diagram, where the circles represent Form, Behavior, and Content design. The circles each intersect with each other. IxD occupies the Behavior circle, but overlaps with the Form and Content circles to some degree. IA occupies the Content circle, but overlaps with Form and Behavior to some degree. And Industrial Design (and Visual Design) occupy the Form circle, but overlap with Content and Behavior to some degree. As others have said, there are clearly overlaps in skill sets in these design practices; it is (IMHO) more a matter of focus and where the depth of expertise lies. --- Design of content, of course, refers to the design of its logical and spatial structure, as Todd and others have described it. BTW, I would definitely consider labels to be part of content and in need of structuring: when I was at Bose, we had a person whose primary job was to develop and execute the structure of labels for back panels of devices (with input from IxDs and IDs). The point being that these are complementary areas of design that, while they may not have equal weighting or visibility for a particular product or design, each contribute uniquely and significantly to the user experience. I would humbly suggest that more can be accomplished by practitioners of these fields working together and leveraging their strengths and knowledge bases than by quibbling over the self-evidently fuzzy boundaries at their intersections. So, now, can we all be friends? :) Robert. Robert Reimann IxDA Seattle Associate Creative Director frog design Seattle, WA On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Todd Zaki Warfel li...@toddwarfel.comwrote: On Mar 31, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote: Incidentally, whether intentional or not, the appearance here is that IxD is trying to become the dominant field in UX and not acknowledge that the IA field can or has evolved. Just to be clear, I'm not attempting to state that Dan is crafting this argument, or that he's the one behind this appearance, but it is a common perception that comes up during discussions I've had with practitioners in the field who do both IA and IxD among other things. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel Principal Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. -- Contact Info Voice: (215) 825-7423 Email: t...@messagefirst.com AIM:twar...@mac.com Blog: http://toddwarfel.com Twitter:zakiwarfel -- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Edge Case Design of IA vs. IxD
So, why are we arguing over 0.001%? I have no clue. But another thing: I have thought about what Dave said some days ago in this (multiple thread) discussion, that I wanted to start a marketing campaign for UX. It was not the main reason, but re-thinking the issue in marketing terms makes sense. We have a profession, we want to raise awareness, and to connect all the dots. However, it has already begun. This discussion involves a lot of people who shaped my definition of what I do, and thus are responsible for what is written in the footer of this message. Maybe if I had found IAI first, that would be different, but finally it doesn't matter. It was a quite successful marketing campaign made me transition from interactive systems design to what I call the things I do today. The initiatives, discussions and daily communications by people who use the term UX as a common identifier for this profession, both inside and outside this community, will make the campaign a big success. milan -- milan guenther * interaction design ||| | | || | || | || +33 6 67 11 13 83 * www.guenther.cx Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Edge Case Design of IA vs. IxD
On Mar 31, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote: This is like watching a bunch of kindergartners argue over which MM is better. I don't know which one is better, but I'm pretty sure that Blue has no real reason to exist. Jared Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Edge Case Design of IA vs. IxD
My sister won't eat the blue ones. It's her way of protesting them since they weren't originally there when she was a kid. On Mar 31, 2009, at 9:28 PM, Jared Spool wrote: I don't know which one is better, but I'm pretty sure that Blue has no real reason to exist. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel Principal Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. -- Contact Info Voice: (215) 825-7423 Email: t...@messagefirst.com AIM:twar...@mac.com Blog: http://toddwarfel.com Twitter:zakiwarfel -- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Edge Case Design of IA vs. IxD
Robert, I have a similar 3-way diagram, with Control being the primary focus of IxD, Comprehension being the primary focus of Information Design and Connectedness being the primary focus of IA. http://mauvyrusset.com/2008/09/26/the-foci-of-user-experience/ - Richard . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=40841 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
