Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pandora to possibly shut down?
My comment to this is an image, as we all know: Music died somewhere in the 70-80... Regards // Håkan --- Håkan Reis Dotway AB My blog || http://blog.reis.se My company || http://dotway.se Our conference || http://oredev.org - See you in 2008 attachment: tape.jpg Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pandora to possibly shut down?
On Aug 18, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Jared Spool wrote: Eventually, a new model will spring forth (probably one where individual artists circumvent the labels and their control structure) and the music will find its way to the consumer. Absolutely. In fact, there are already several fantastic services very much like what you're suggesting, allowing musicians to distribute their music directly to consumers and get fairly paid for it. For now they go through the major online music stores for downloading tracks (iTunes, Amazon, Napster, Emusic, etc) rather than directly to consumers via streaming media players. An example of this service is http://www.tunecore.com -- you sign up, pay a very small fee, and then create a band profile and upload your tracks. Tunecore then creates an artist page for you in each of the online music stores and puts your songs in the stores' catalogs for people to buy and download. You simply watch the money roll in directly to your account. You're paying for the service alone, never relinquishing per-song royalty percentages, and the costs are miniscule (we're talking under $20-30 *total* to get your album up). If any of the major retailers were to offer a streaming service, then Jared your model would reach fruition. Pandora, I imagine, is looking at options to sell their entire technology to Apple or Emusic so it can be integrated into a normal store as a new feature. On Aug 18, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Jarod Tang wrote: Another example of well designed objects be killed by rights. As the founder said, the business model is broken by the rights/changes promotion. This is something we UX designers often forget: That great products are both killed *and* born out of purely business dealmaking, regardless of the UX. It's sad to watch a business deal fall apart and kill a great product like Pandora, but we have to remember that it was a business deal that enabled the product to exist in the first place. For example, as great as iTunes may be as a user experience, its success has as much to do with Apple's ability to secure profitable deals with the record labels as it does with the UX. Without those advantageous deals (deals that, if I recall correctly, were markedly better than many other music stores were able to negotiate), the UX couldn't exist. -Cf Christopher Fahey Behavior biz: http://www.behaviordesign.com me: http://www.graphpaper.com Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pandora to possibly shut down?
Sadly, I have only been using Pandora for the last few months. I really love the notion of artist matching and I think their site, app does a lot of great things from a UX perspective. Can anyone recommend other sites like Pandora? -Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shaun Bergmann Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pandora to possibly shut down? I started using MusicMatch 3 or 4 years ago and absolutely loved it. The artist match functionality introduced me to many new artists that I otherwise wouldn't have been aware of, and those artists can directly thank my daily usage of MusicMatch for all of the CD's and concert tickets I've actually payed for since then. Well, MusicMatch in Canada came to a close sometime around 18 months ago, and was apparently bought out or replaced by Yahoo Music Canada. I payed for an account with Yahoo to continue using it. It was mostly the same engine, although I found the Artist Match Radio to not be quite as powerful. This morning, I launched the desktop app and was presented with the following: Important Notice: Yahoo! Music Unlimited Service Termination This is a notice to inform you that Yahoo! Music Unlimited and Yahoo! Music Unlimited To Go will no longer be available in Canada as of September 30, 2008. What does this mean for annual subscribers? Annual subscribers with anniversary dates after May 1 will not be renewed for service. Any annual subscribers that have a term that extends beyond October 1 will receive a pro-rata refund on their credit card. All users make should verify their billing information is current in their Yahoo! Wallet What does this mean for monthly subscribers? Monthly subscribers will continue to be renewed through August 30, with their service stopping on their anniversary date through September 30. If you have purchased tracks from the Yahoo! Music Unlimited store, we recommend that you back them up to an audio CD before the closing of the store September 30, 2008. For more information about the termination of Yahoo! Music Unlimited, or the closure of the music store, please refer to our Frequently Asked Questions. Whatever it is, it's viral. Aside from the obviously unbalanced special treatment internet radio firms are being subjected to with the charges / song / listener, is there a problem with how much we the people value such a service? I was paying around 8 dollars a month for this service, which allowed me access to a massive library of artists. I could pick Flaming Lips for example, and either play entire albums, or Top Songs or Artist Fan Radio, the latter of which did a pretty good job of dynamically mixing bands like them However, if $8.00 / month isn't enough, what is our cap on how much we'd consider paying? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=32148 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] Pandora to possibly shut down?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503367.html Discuss. -- Andrei Herasimchuk Principal, Involution Studios innovating the digital world e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] c. +1 408 306 6422 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pandora to possibly shut down?
On Aug 18, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503367.html Discuss. What aspect would you like to discuss? I think that it sucks, because I enjoy Pandora and Last.fm (which I assume will fall prey to the same rules), but it's within SoundExchange's rights to control the license fees and, for some reason, they think this is best for their constituents. Frankly, we've been through this before and SoundExchange is like the dutch boy trying to stick his finger in the dyke. Eventually, a new model will spring forth (probably one where individual artists circumvent the labels and their control structure) and the music will find its way to the consumer. After all, with the exception of the small number of bands that make money through their album sales, bands do better at using music to promote live gigs. That's my take, Jared Jared M. Spool User Interface Engineering 510 Turnpike St., Suite 102, North Andover, MA 01845 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +1 978 327 5561 http://uie.com Blog: http://uie.com/brainsparks Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pandora to possibly shut down?
Another example of well designed objects be killed by rights. As the founder said, the business model is broken by the rights/changes promotion. As compareable iTurns (on business model side). since so many people love pandora, it MAYBE have some way out instead of saying we are done. But where is it from bussines model design perspective? Cheers, -- Jarod On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Andrei Herasimchuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503367.html Discuss. -- Andrei Herasimchuk Principal, Involution Studios innovating the digital world e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] c. +1 408 306 6422 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- Designing for better life style. http://jarodtang.spaces.live.com/ http://jarodtang.blogspot.com Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pandora to possibly shut down?
Anyone hiring? ;-) Thanks, Brett w (773) 525-7595 m (415) 902-4128 On Aug 18, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503367.html Discuss. -- Andrei Herasimchuk Principal, Involution Studios innovating the digital world e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] c. +1 408 306 6422 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
