Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects
Frank Warmerdam wrote: For promotion, well, I'm kind of with Cameron that our front page recommendations need to be reserved for projects in which we have a lot of faith in an effort to best serve the user. On the other hand, I hope the discuss list (for instance) can be a venue for folks to get some exposure for new and interesting projects. I think writing an article for the journal might be another approach. I *do* see the issue that folks with new projects need exposure and feedback. I'm just not too sure how to serve them with existing resources, and without diffusing our promotional efforts too much. Hi, I agree with you that the front page recommandations should remain for incubated or in-incubation projects, but does a OSGeo Labs page could be an option for project wanting to join OSGeo? A page with a list of project that are not part of the OSGeo yet and are not hosted by OSGeo, but are known by OSGeo as friends. Or at least a How to join page for new projects could help a lot. Most of the time when meeting with newcomers to OSGeo I felt that they were intimidated by the OSGeo infrastructure and that they didn't know where to start to get information or feedback. Most of the time those newcomers are users or developpers of projects (often new projects) that are not part of OSGeo project base. They didn't fell part of OSGeo and didn't thought to join the mailing-list or advertise on it because their project was not part of it either. IMHO, OSGeo mission to support/promote the development of open source geospatial software should also include a starting point or at least pointers, like someone earlier, on how to join. Something that is not quite clear from the outside right now. I think this could help to bring new people, new projects and new ideas. This would also help to get feedback and avoid duplication of functionalities. Best regards, Julien -- Julien-Samuel Lacroix Mapgears http://www.mapgears.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects
On 10/2/07, Julien-Samuel Lacroix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you that the front page recommandations should remain for incubated or in-incubation projects, but does a OSGeo Labs page could be an option for project wanting to join OSGeo? A page with a list of project that are not part of the OSGeo yet and are not hosted by OSGeo, but are known by OSGeo as friends. Or at least a How to join page for new projects could help a lot. Julien, Could you launch an OSGeo Labs page in the wiki? If it shapes up well, we can look at linking it from somewhere reasonably prominent. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects
I like the idea of an OSGeo Labs wiki page. I really don't think a company or organization wanting to open source a geospatial program would really need a lot of infrastructure from the OSGeo. A hosting site like SourceForge provides all of the infrastructure a project needs to get up and running. They have support for a project website, wiki, mailing lists and CVS or SVN source code repositories. Why would OSGeo put a lot of time and effort into providing similar infrastructure when it is already available? It seems a better use of resources at the OSGeo would be in providing advice and assistance for tasks like choosing an appropriate license, tips on managing a source code repository, and managing a new user and/or developer community. It seems these areas would be more unknown to a typical company or organization than something like setting up a mailing list. Landon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Warmerdam Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:30 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects On 10/2/07, Julien-Samuel Lacroix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you that the front page recommandations should remain for incubated or in-incubation projects, but does a OSGeo Labs page could be an option for project wanting to join OSGeo? A page with a list of project that are not part of the OSGeo yet and are not hosted by OSGeo, but are known by OSGeo as friends. Or at least a How to join page for new projects could help a lot. Julien, Could you launch an OSGeo Labs page in the wiki? If it shapes up well, we can look at linking it from somewhere reasonably prominent. Best regards, -- ---+ -- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects
Frank Warmerdam wrote: Julien, Could you launch an OSGeo Labs page in the wiki? If it shapes up well, we can look at linking it from somewhere reasonably prominent. Best regards, Thanks for the backup. My comment was more to get an idea of what people think about it and I think most people agree. I'll try to get something up along with guidelines to make sure we keep a little bit of control on what we advertise. Julien -- Julien-Samuel Lacroix Mapgears http://www.mapgears.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects
I'm +1 for OSGeo Labs. It would be a good holding place for projects waiting to go into incubation and for new projects to meet and collaborate with each other. The key elements of OSGeo Labs are: 1. Labs draws minimal overhead from the OSGeo community. Ie, provide hosting, but not mentoring. 2. There is an entrance criteria list for OSGeo Labs which ensures that the project has a goal of becoming an incubation OSGeo project and therefore should be Open Source, Geospatial, etc. 3. The decision for accepting a project into Labs should be delegated to a committee (which should be one person but could be more). Aim is to keep the management overhead low. 4. OSGeo Board reserves the right to remove projects from Labs if the project dies or is not following OSGeo values. I suggest that OSGeo Incubation Committee hold a meeting to vote on this. Do we have a volunteer to draft the first version of Entrance Criteria and Guidelines for OSGeo Labs? You should be able to draw a lot from the Incubation process. Julien-Samuel Lacroix wrote: Frank Warmerdam wrote: Julien, Could you launch an OSGeo Labs page in the wiki? If it shapes up well, we can look at linking it from somewhere reasonably prominent. Best regards, Thanks for the backup. My comment was more to get an idea of what people think about it and I think most people agree. I'll try to get something up along with guidelines to make sure we keep a little bit of control on what we advertise. Julien -- Cameron Shorter Systems Architect, http://lisasoft.com.au Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects
Hi, I'll try to get something done. We could then start from there and add information to it. I hesitant to add a provide hosting part for now. I'm thinking of simply pointing to Sourceforge (or others) for now since we didn't get a consensus on that part. I'm also thinking that it will be easier to start small without providing anything, but a way to get advertised and grow the service later if it's a success. Best regards, Julien Cameron Shorter wrote: I'm +1 for OSGeo Labs. It would be a good holding place for projects waiting to go into incubation and for new projects to meet and collaborate with each other. The key elements of OSGeo Labs are: 1. Labs draws minimal overhead from the OSGeo community. Ie, provide hosting, but not mentoring. 2. There is an entrance criteria list for OSGeo Labs which ensures that the project has a goal of becoming an incubation OSGeo project and therefore should be Open Source, Geospatial, etc. 3. The decision for accepting a project into Labs should be delegated to a committee (which should be one person but could be more). Aim is to keep the management overhead low. 4. OSGeo Board reserves the right to remove projects from Labs if the project dies or is not following OSGeo values. I suggest that OSGeo Incubation Committee hold a meeting to vote on this. Do we have a volunteer to draft the first version of Entrance Criteria and Guidelines for OSGeo Labs? You should be able to draw a lot from the Incubation process. Julien-Samuel Lacroix wrote: Frank Warmerdam wrote: Julien, Could you launch an OSGeo Labs page in the wiki? If it shapes up well, we can look at linking it from somewhere reasonably prominent. Best regards, Thanks for the backup. My comment was more to get an idea of what people think about it and I think most people agree. I'll try to get something up along with guidelines to make sure we keep a little bit of control on what we advertise. Julien -- Julien-Samuel Lacroix Mapgears http://www.mapgears.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects
I would be willing to give some help on setting up an OSGeo Labs Project with SourceForge services if there was interest. Maybe we could put my e-mail with a note to that says as much on the wiki page. Just a thought. Landon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julien-Samuel Lacroix Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:47 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects Hi, I'll try to get something done. We could then start from there and add information to it. I hesitant to add a provide hosting part for now. I'm thinking of simply pointing to Sourceforge (or others) for now since we didn't get a consensus on that part. I'm also thinking that it will be easier to start small without providing anything, but a way to get advertised and grow the service later if it's a success. Best regards, Julien Cameron Shorter wrote: I'm +1 for OSGeo Labs. It would be a good holding place for projects waiting to go into incubation and for new projects to meet and collaborate with each other. The key elements of OSGeo Labs are: 1. Labs draws minimal overhead from the OSGeo community. Ie, provide hosting, but not mentoring. 2. There is an entrance criteria list for OSGeo Labs which ensures that the project has a goal of becoming an incubation OSGeo project and therefore should be Open Source, Geospatial, etc. 3. The decision for accepting a project into Labs should be delegated to a committee (which should be one person but could be more). Aim is to keep the management overhead low. 4. OSGeo Board reserves the right to remove projects from Labs if the project dies or is not following OSGeo values. I suggest that OSGeo Incubation Committee hold a meeting to vote on this. Do we have a volunteer to draft the first version of Entrance Criteria and Guidelines for OSGeo Labs? You should be able to draw a lot from the Incubation process. Julien-Samuel Lacroix wrote: Frank Warmerdam wrote: Julien, Could you launch an OSGeo Labs page in the wiki? If it shapes up well, we can look at linking it from somewhere reasonably prominent. Best regards, Thanks for the backup. My comment was more to get an idea of what people think about it and I think most people agree. I'll try to get something up along with guidelines to make sure we keep a little bit of control on what we advertise. Julien -- Julien-Samuel Lacroix Mapgears http://www.mapgears.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects
Bruce IMO: I'd caution against watering down the OSGeo 'brand' as a source of 'quality' products, particularly if we want the products accepted as a viable alternative within larger organisations. While it is good to provide pointers to projects of interest, there needs to be a clear separation of what is an OSGeo project and what is not. I think that it is acceptable to have certain hurdles that a project has to pass in order to be accepted into the OSGeo fold. Could there be a series of tiers? The first tier could have a low barrier of entry, with low support provided, plus little-or-no promotion as being of the OSGeo 'brand'. A project could work its way through the tiers, and incidentally through the incubation process, and be rewarded with more support from OSGeo along the way. The final tier would include, amongst other things, recognition on the OSGeo home page. nick *** WARNING: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this e-mail without appropriate authority. If this e-mail was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or e-mail me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this e-mail and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this e-mail is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this e-mail does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this e-mail do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Department of Main Roads, Queensland Transport or Maritime Safety Queensland, or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects
Yes, There should be clear separation to the casual visitor between Endorsed, Quality OSGeo projects and Labs. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO: I'd caution against watering down the OSGeo 'brand' as a source of 'quality' products, particularly if we want the products accepted as a viable alternative within larger organisations. While it is good to provide pointers to projects of interest, there needs to be a clear separation of what is an OSGeo project and what is not. I think that it is acceptable to have certain hurdles that a project has to pass in order to be accepted into the OSGeo fold. From memory, the structure of OSGeo has been based on the Apache Foundation. This approach has worked well for that community. I wouldn't like to see the approach watered down for OSGeo. Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/10/2007 06:35:22 AM: I'm +1 for OSGeo Labs. It would be a good holding place for projects waiting to go into incubation and for new projects to meet and collaborate with each other. The key elements of OSGeo Labs are: 1. Labs draws minimal overhead from the OSGeo community. Ie, provide hosting, but not mentoring. 2. There is an entrance criteria list for OSGeo Labs which ensures that the project has a goal of becoming an incubation OSGeo project and therefore should be Open Source, Geospatial, etc. 3. The decision for accepting a project into Labs should be delegated to a committee (which should be one person but could be more). Aim is to keep the management overhead low. 4. OSGeo Board reserves the right to remove projects from Labs if the project dies or is not following OSGeo values. I suggest that OSGeo Incubation Committee hold a meeting to vote on this. Do we have a volunteer to draft the first version of Entrance Criteria and Guidelines for OSGeo Labs? You should be able to draw a lot from the Incubation process. Notice: This email and any attachments may contain information that is personal, confidential, legally privileged and/or copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the prior written consent of the copyright owner. It is the responsibility of the recipient to check for and remove viruses. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by return email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. You are not authorised to use, communicate or rely on the information contained in this email. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Systems Architect, http://lisasoft.com.au Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects
This is pretty much what I had in mind when I mentioned the idea in my post this morning. A structured space where projects could advertise capabilities and plans, with the goal of establishing communities. Today I feel like we (OSGeo) just turn those projects aside, and while I agree we do not want to advertise them as mature/stable projects they do need some visibility in order to grow. Bob Fawcett, David wrote: A first, and maybe only step might be to provide wiki space, or some sort of templated content management space for new open source geospatial projects to introduce and display themselves. Using a standard template, they could provide a project background, context, current capabilities, proposed/planned/future capabilities, linkages to other os geospatial projects, etc. The advantage of a template would be that one could easily put projects into context and compare them. Maybe there could be a forum to facilitate/generate communication about and between new projects. This could also be handled with a listserv, but it could (and hopefully would) be a high traffic list. In rough concept, I am thinking of a place where new osg projects can make themselves known, find opportunities for collaboration, and hopefully build a community of supporters. David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:50 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects Bruce IMO: I'd caution against watering down the OSGeo 'brand' as a source of 'quality' products, particularly if we want the products accepted as a viable alternative within larger organisations. While it is good to provide pointers to projects of interest, there needs to be a clear separation of what is an OSGeo project and what is not. I think that it is acceptable to have certain hurdles that a project has to pass in order to be accepted into the OSGeo fold. Could there be a series of tiers? The first tier could have a low barrier of entry, with low support provided, plus little-or-no promotion as being of the OSGeo 'brand'. A project could work its way through the tiers, and incidentally through the incubation process, and be rewarded with more support from OSGeo along the way. The final tier would include, amongst other things, recognition on the OSGeo home page. nick *** WARNING: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this e-mail without appropriate authority. If this e-mail was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or e-mail me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this e-mail and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this e-mail is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this e-mail does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this e-mail do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Department of Main Roads, Queensland Transport or Maritime Safety Queensland, or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects
Fawcett, David wrote: A first, and maybe only step might be to provide wiki space, That should be a good start. We already something similar on the OSGeo wiki http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Libgeos http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Mobile_Solutions A link OSGeo frontpage under the OSGeo Community menu, saying Related Software or OSGeo Labs. Think the Related Software menu item could be linked to the OSGeo wiki where developers could put in project description, links (to sourceforge maybe). or some sort of templated content management space for new open source geospatial projects to introduce and display themselves. Using a standard template, they could provide a project background, context, current capabilities, proposed/planned/future capabilities, linkages to other os geospatial projects, etc. The advantage of a template would be that one could easily put projects into context and compare them. Agree with the template idea too. A wiki template maybe. ... In rough concept, I am thinking of a place where new osg projects can make themselves known, find opportunities for collaboration, and hopefully build a community of supporters. Hope so too. Venka ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
