Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format
Chris, I agree and will see what I can do to make it happen. If we want wider adoption it may also be beneficial to see some kind of C/C++ access library created for the format. In the past I always felt the FDO Provider was that library, but the masses seem to be telling me I am wrong about that :) Bob - Original Message - From: Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 11:18:42PM -0800, Robert Bray wrote: Is it an open format? ABSOLUTELY (we just never wrote a spec, but I am willing to get it done) All this said, I'd really like to understand everyones requirements for this new format. If SDF fits thats great, if not thats ok too. We are always happy to contribute what we can to the community. I have an interest in seeing wider implementation of SDF. I have a user who is interested in using FeatureServer against SDF data -- but I don't have an environment in which I can build/use the FDO Python bindings (being a mac user), so I can't help the user out. It seems more likely that an alternative implementation to FDO's could be created if documentation on the format was available. Obviously, there's no guarenteee (and unfortunately, I'm not a very good coder, so I can't offer much), but I'd at least like to be able to investigate how difficult SDF might be to implement: not just for my own personal reasons, but because implementation-difficulty can affect uptake of a format as much as the technical benefits can (if not more). so in response to 'I am willing to get it done', I would strongly encourage you to do so! Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format
Robert Bray wrote: Chris, I agree and will see what I can do to make it happen. If we want wider adoption it may also be beneficial to see some kind of C/C++ access library created for the format. In the past I always felt the FDO Provider was that library, but the masses seem to be telling me I am wrong about that :) Bob, Sounds like a very good idea to setup a libsdf project. This way, it could be used by FDO, OGR and others. Cheers -- Mateusz Loskot http://mateusz.loskot.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] foss4g.org
So, what's the next step on moving this domain into a position where we can put it to conference use? (Thanks again for the use of it!) P -- Paul Ramsey Refractions Research http://www.refractions.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 250-383-3022 Cell: 250-885-0632 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format
How about an OGR driver for SDF? No need to invent a new API when one already exists. Traian From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:36 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format Robert Bray wrote: Chris, I agree and will see what I can do to make it happen. If we want wider adoption it may also be beneficial to see some kind of C/C++ access library created for the format. In the past I always felt the FDO Provider was that library, but the masses seem to be telling me I am wrong about that :) Bob, Sounds like a very good idea to setup a libsdf project. This way, it could be used by FDO, OGR and others. Cheers -- Mateusz Loskot http://mateusz.loskot.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format
On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 05:17:46PM -0800, Traian Stanev wrote: How about an OGR driver for SDF? No need to invent a new API when one already exists. I think that was exactly Bob's point: There is already an FDO driver for SDF. If OGR is sufficient, I'm not entirely sure why FDO wouldn't be by the same argument. I'm with Mat, in feeling that it's not the path to the widest usage in only FDO *or* OGR, and that a reference implementation outside of either of those would result in possibly higher OEM-style integration into non OGR/FDO products, and that a single shared implementation is the best way for all developers to share a single effort when moving forward. Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format
Traian Stanev wrote: How about an OGR driver for SDF? No need to invent a new API when one already exists. Traian, AFAIKU, that's the idea that triggered the debate but it would be good if there is non-API specific library for SDF. The the same library could be used by OGR, FDO, etc. Cheers -- Mateusz Loskot http://mateusz.loskot.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format
I think many people have it backwards. SDF is basically a reference implementation of the FDO API (or a significant subset thereof). It's not an independent file format that happens to have an FDO driver. Any C++ API for SDF would likely have to use FDO data structures and types underneath to get SDF data out of the file. This is because FDO data structures are directly serialized into SDF binary tables. Traian From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:23 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 05:17:46PM -0800, Traian Stanev wrote: How about an OGR driver for SDF? No need to invent a new API when one already exists. I think that was exactly Bob's point: There is already an FDO driver for SDF. If OGR is sufficient, I'm not entirely sure why FDO wouldn't be by the same argument. I'm with Mat, in feeling that it's not the path to the widest usage in only FDO *or* OGR, and that a reference implementation outside of either of those would result in possibly higher OEM-style integration into non OGR/FDO products, and that a single shared implementation is the best way for all developers to share a single effort when moving forward. Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] foss4g.org
Paul Ramsey wrote: So, what's the next step on moving this domain into a position where we can put it to conference use? (Thanks again for the use of it!) I think the foss4g.org domain has to be registered in the OSGeo DNS. We haven't done this before, so we are waiting for some input about how to go about with the transfer. Regards Venka ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
