[OSGeo-Discuss] OGC geospatial rights mgt. summit
I will be attending the OGC Geospatial Rights Mgt. Summit to be held at MIT on June 22. I will be giving a 10 min. lightning talk on SC's thoughts on spatial data, and also be participating in the panel discussions. Please do send me your input on questions/concerns that you would like to see discussed/highlighted there that I could possibly bring up -- Puneet Kishor http://www.punkish.org/ Carbon Model http://carbonmodel.org/ Charter Member, Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://www.osgeo.org/ Science Commons Fellow, Geospatial Data http://sciencecommons.org Nelson Institute, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/ --- collaborate, communicate, compete === Sent from Delhi, DL, India ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC geospatial rights mgt. summit
How about OGC support for the Science Commons work on a public domain or creative commons type license for geospatial data. Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of P Kishor Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:44 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC geospatial rights mgt. summit I will be attending the OGC Geospatial Rights Mgt. Summit to be held at MIT on June 22. I will be giving a 10 min. lightning talk on SC's thoughts on spatial data, and also be participating in the panel discussions. Please do send me your input on questions/concerns that you would like to see discussed/highlighted there that I could possibly bring up -- Puneet Kishor http://www.punkish.org/ Carbon Model http://carbonmodel.org/ Charter Member, Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://www.osgeo.org/ Science Commons Fellow, Geospatial Data http://sciencecommons.org Nelson Institute, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/ --- collaborate, communicate, compete === Sent from Delhi, DL, India ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS
Julia Harrell wrote: Have you considered whether surplused hardware from within your organization could be used for some of this? It may not suffice for a windows server, and i did not see if you already have linux boxes. Surplus would work for a dev/test box, if/when you can manage to get your hands on one. But really, by the time anything gets surplused around here, it is completely worn out and dang near worthless. Unfortunately, the 'IT Overlords' also have some bizarre squirrelly aversion to Linux and refuse to allow it on any production GIS servers. That would be fear of the unknown(non gui) and job security at work. Wouldn't want someone else in the org who knows more about running servers. Maybe you can get them to throw a bone to demo something on a virtual machine hosted elsewhere(Amazon) just to show how easy it is. Welcome to the land of small to medium government agencies, etc. The best thing here is showing examples from equivalent groups, of which there are plenty online now. Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS
I think that it's generally less fear of the unknown or job security than it is the cost of adding complexity to what is often an already over-extended support load. In many cases it just makes sense to spend $1000 for a server OS that doesn't require additional training, is easy to get qualified techs for, and just works with the existing systems. It doesn't matter how easy Linux is; it's one more thing to keep track of and one more thing to go wrong. If you want to win the open source battle at small organisations that don't already have OS operating system tendencies, focus on the application level where you can make a strong business case on a feature-by-feature level, and with additional arguments about truly open data being more sustainable and less risky. Personally I think that an open source or bust attitude is not very pragmatic. Sell open source software where it is the best tool for the job, but pick your battles. Jason -Original Message- From: Alex Mandel Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 4:25 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS That would be fear of the unknown(non gui) and job security at work. Wouldn't want someone else in the org who knows more about running servers. Maybe you can get them to throw a bone to demo something on a virtual machine hosted elsewhere(Amazon) just to show how easy it is. Welcome to the land of small to medium government agencies, etc. The best thing here is showing examples from equivalent groups, of which there are plenty online now. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS
John, Your information here is fantastic, and I'd love to see it worked into a case study. This is the sort of information that Government departments ask for all the time. This Open Source stuff sounds great, but who else has used it? Are there any case studies that we can look over? If you created a good case study talking about how you helped a high profile client move from ESRI Arc GIS server to Open Source, it would likely become one of the most widely referenced documents in OSGeo marketing. If you do write a case study, make sure it is linked from this web page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Case_Studies We are also looking to see a presentation or two like this at the FOSS4G conference this year. This could potentially be done by a couple of people talking about more than one case. (Presentations are due in one week, on 8 June.) http://2009.foss4g.org John Callahan wrote: To follow up re: status of ArcIMS I just checked the ESRI site, clicked on Products, Server GIS and ArcIMS is nowhere to be found. As well, if you select Training and search for courses, you will find exactly zero instructor-led courses for ArcIMS. (ArcIMS is also listed under Other Products in the Training section.)So, as far as I'm concerned, ArcIMS is dead and everything goes through ArcGIS Server with ESRI. - John Bill Thoen wrote: Thanks for the help folks, especially to John Callahan. That was the best description of the problem with the ESRI solution that I've seen to date. What they offer may be good or not --I don't have the experience to argue that point-- but they are even more expensive that I had imagined. I'm very impressed with ESRI's marketing -- if they can sell this, they could sell snow to Santa Claus! Regards, - Bill Thoen ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Systems Architect Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
