[OSGeo-Discuss] Geomatic events calendar
[Spanish translation at the end of the message] [Versión en español al final] Hello everybody... Arnulf just asked me to send notice of this iCal with geomatic events, mostly (but not exclusively) from the Spanish (as language) - Side of the FOSS4G. The calendar is mantained by XurxoSanz as part of our blog (this is a little bit of spam I'm sorry) http://geomaticblog.net. You can reference the calendar by feed: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/ak1i8t86206kbg5njvv91ra...@group.calendar.google.com/public/basic ical: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/ak1i8t86206kbg5njvv91ra...@group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics or html: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ak1i8t86206kbg5njvv91ra43o%40group.calendar.google.comctz=Europe/Madrid Bests, Spanish translation follows: Hola a todos... Arnulf me ha pedido que publicite este iCal con eventos de la esfera geomática, muchos en la esfera del español, pero no exclusivamente. El calendario lo mantiene XurxoSanz y es parte de nuestro blog (siento el autobombo) http://geomaticblog.net. Puedes encontrar el calendario por los siguientes medios: feed: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/ak1i8t86206kbg5njvv91ra...@group.calendar.google.com/public/basic ical: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/ak1i8t86206kbg5njvv91ra...@group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics or html: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ak1i8t86206kbg5njvv91ra43o%40group.calendar.google.comctz=Europe/Madrid Un saludo, -- Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses Valencia (España) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geomatic events calendar
Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses escribió: [Spanish translation at the end of the message] [Versión en español al final] Hello everybody... Arnulf just asked me to send notice of this iCal with geomatic events, mostly (but not exclusively) from the Spanish (as language) - Side of the FOSS4G. The calendar is mantained by XurxoSanz as part of our blog (this is a little bit of spam I'm sorry) http://geomaticblog.net. You can reference the calendar by feed: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/ak1i8t86206kbg5njvv91ra...@group.calendar.google.com/public/basic ical: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/ak1i8t86206kbg5njvv91ra...@group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics or html: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ak1i8t86206kbg5njvv91ra43o%40group.calendar.google.comctz=Europe/Madrid Bests, Well this is more or less a pet project I created years ago (more or less when we started geomaticblog.net), without any pretension, maybe even without a clear criteria to add events. I usually add just the free software and/or geospatial meetings as I realize them. Anyway, if someone wants to contribute there instead the OSGeo events calendar (for any strange reason), please contact me. Cheers -- Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas Ingeniero en Geodesia y Cartografía http://es.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] new: OSGeo women mailing list
http://xkcd.com/322/ well someone had to post it Ian -- Ian Turton Sent from State College, Pennsylvania, United States ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] new: OSGeo women mailing list
I hope things work out with the new mailing list. Same here - I'm sure just having a place to connect with others will be encouraging for all involved. I know at least one of the open source software projects I am involved with has discussed the problem of encouraging the participation of more women. It's interesting to hear this called a problem - I thought all open source projects welcomed all people who were interested. Unless of course there are jerks like in Ian's cartoon - but then again, the cartoon also presents a solution :-) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] new: OSGeo women mailing list
Maybe my statement was misunderstood? I meant to say that members of the open source project discussed what we might do to encourage the participation of more women in the project. I think there was recognition across the board that the project would have benefited from more diversity. I'm wondering if efforts to get young women more involved in math and science could be combined with encouraging them to try volunteering with an OSGeo project? Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Tyler Mitchell Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:44 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] new: OSGeo women mailing list I hope things work out with the new mailing list. Same here - I'm sure just having a place to connect with others will be encouraging for all involved. I know at least one of the open source software projects I am involved with has discussed the problem of encouraging the participation of more women. It's interesting to hear this called a problem - I thought all open source projects welcomed all people who were interested. Unless of course there are jerks like in Ian's cartoon - but then again, the cartoon also presents a solution :-) Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: RE: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] new: OSGeo women mailing list
Maybe my statement was misunderstood? I meant to say that members of the open source project discussed what we might do to encourage the participation of more women in the project. I think there was recognition across the board that the project would have benefited from more diversity. I'm wondering if efforts to get young women more involved in math and science could be combined with encouraging them to try volunteering with an OSGeo project? Hi Landon, I understand, please bear with me, I'm probably the unclear one. Some of the women I know very well (one in particular :) tend to find it a wee bit condescending to be treated like a special group when in reality they are fully capable of joining projects they are interested in. Speaking of open source software, if fewer women are involved I just assume they aren't as interested.. just like any other group of people that make their own choices regardless of what others think would be optimal. It's not a big deal to me, but I've been briefed on the subject from my wife's angle regularly over the years so I feel compelled to pass it on :-) Best wishes, Tyler ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: RE: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] new: OSGeo women mailing list
Tyler, I understand your wife's perspective completely. It seems reasonable to conclude that there are fewer women involved in OSGeo projects because there are fewer women involved in open source computing to begin with. A possible response to your wife's argument is that our society tends to condition women for certain types of roles, and that we steer them away from careers in math or science. I don't know if this is true, but I can tell you I see the same lack of women in surveying and engineering as I do in software development. I don't have any daughters, but I have a couple nieces. It seems my younger niece, who is currently a freshman in high school, doesn't get much encouragement to think about math and science careers, although I think she has the brains for it. Her older brother, who is a senior in high school, is being encouraged to pursue a degree in mechanical engineering or a technical job in the United States Air Force. This in just one small example of what may be a larger trend in the way we view our children, at least in the United States. If our society is guilty of this bias in the way we raise, train, and teach our daughters, then some conscious effort to correct this bias is probably not inappropriate. I'm sure your wife and others have a response to this argument as well. If nothing else, I think this is a good conversation to have. Hopefully I did not just open Pandora's Box. :] Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: Tyler Mitchell [mailto:tmitchell.os...@shaw.ca] Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:51 PM To: Landon Blake Cc: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: RE: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] new: OSGeo women mailing list Maybe my statement was misunderstood? I meant to say that members of the open source project discussed what we might do to encourage the participation of more women in the project. I think there was recognition across the board that the project would have benefited from more diversity. I'm wondering if efforts to get young women more involved in math and science could be combined with encouraging them to try volunteering with an OSGeo project? Hi Landon, I understand, please bear with me, I'm probably the unclear one. Some of the women I know very well (one in particular :) tend to find it a wee bit condescending to be treated like a special group when in reality they are fully capable of joining projects they are interested in. Speaking of open source software, if fewer women are involved I just assume they aren't as interested.. just like any other group of people that make their own choices regardless of what others think would be optimal. It's not a big deal to me, but I've been briefed on the subject from my wife's angle regularly over the years so I feel compelled to pass it on :-) Best wishes, Tyler Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo barriers to entry
Thanks for the discussion Landon. I'll leave Pandora well enough alone :) Perhaps we can turn the thread to discussing what are the real or perceived barriers people, in general, find to getting involved with OSGeo. I'm sure that any barriers women would have might also affect others, so it might be useful to broaden the discussion so more participate. 1 What barriers are there to joining OSGeo and its projects? 2 How can we be more inviting? Have you heard negative comments from potential members? Are there any reasons you might not invite a colleague to join? 3 How can we encourage more people to contribute to our projects or join with the OSGeo mission? 4 What areas in OSGeo and its projects need more helpers? 5 What are the most interesting/compelling aspects? I'm sure there are more pointed questions but these are just off the top of my head. Best wishes, Tyler - Original Message - From: Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:01 pm Subject: RE: RE: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] new: OSGeo women mailing list To: tmitch...@osgeo.org Cc: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Tyler, I understand your wife's perspective completely. It seems reasonable to conclude that there are fewer women involved in OSGeo projects because there are fewer women involved in open source computing to begin with. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo barriers to entry
Tyler Mitchell wrote: Thanks for the discussion Landon. I'll leave Pandora well enough alone :) By the way, Debian has a well established female user base: http://women.debian.org/ Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net Charter Member of OSGeo, http://osgeo.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo barriers to entry
Tyler, Perhaps this 'issue' is not so big after all... A comment that was made to me by a colleague after FOSS4G-2009 was that she thought that it was great to see such a high percentage of attendees were female; dramatically higher than she would have traditionally seen at a spatial / geoscience event in Australia. She commented further that this was a good reason to get more involved... Bruce -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Tyler Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, 17 November 2009 9:07 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo barriers to entry Thanks for the discussion Landon. I'll leave Pandora well enough alone :) Perhaps we can turn the thread to discussing what are the real or perceived barriers people, in general, find to getting involved with OSGeo. I'm sure that any barriers women would have might also affect others, so it might be useful to broaden the discussion so more participate. 1 What barriers are there to joining OSGeo and its projects? 2 How can we be more inviting? Have you heard negative comments from potential members? Are there any reasons you might not invite a colleague to join? 3 How can we encourage more people to contribute to our projects or join with the OSGeo mission? 4 What areas in OSGeo and its projects need more helpers? 5 What are the most interesting/compelling aspects? I'm sure there are more pointed questions but these are just off the top of my head. Best wishes, Tyler - Original Message - From: Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:01 pm Subject: RE: RE: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] new: OSGeo women mailing list To: tmitch...@osgeo.org Cc: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Tyler, I understand your wife's perspective completely. It seems reasonable to conclude that there are fewer women involved in OSGeo projects because there are fewer women involved in open source computing to begin with. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo barriers to entry
Miles Fidelman wrote: Tyler Mitchell wrote: Perhaps we can turn the thread to discussing what are the real or perceived barriers people, in general, find to getting involved with OSGeo. I'm sure that any barriers women would have might also affect others, so it might be useful to broaden the discussion so more participate. 1 What barriers are there to joining OSGeo and its projects? Getting paid tends to be a big one. Seriously. Most of the successful open source projects I'm familiar with involved salaries or other work-related support. - University researchers working on grants (Apache) - Students working on thesis material (Linux) - IT staff developing software as part of their work, then open sourcing the software as a way to reduce ongoing support costs (Sympa) - Corporate developers open sourcing code to expand a user base (Erlang) - Government contractors working working on an SBIR contract (one of our current projects) - etc. Labors of love are fun, but ultimately most people have to pay the bills. I guess that leads to a central question: What are the day jobs of the core developers associated with OSGeo projects, to what extent are those developers paid to work on the projects, and what are the business reasons of their employers for doing so? Miles, Certainly all of the above tend to apply to many people contributing to OSGeo projects. Certainly the bulk of my work on GDAL, and MapServer is client funded. I know that most of the contributors to GDAL and MapServer have at least some of their time funded. Likewise many of the other projects though my knowledge gets thinner on some of them. I think one challenge is to get people who have funded time to work on specific features into broader involvement with the projects and OSGeo in general. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo barriers to entry
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bruce Bannerman ha scritto: Tyler, Perhaps this 'issue' is not so big after all... A comment that was made to me by a colleague after FOSS4G-2009 was that she thought that it was great to see such a high percentage of attendees were female; dramatically higher than she would have traditionally seen at a spatial / geoscience event in Australia. She commented further that this was a good reason to get more involved... That's good news - but we should not miss that it's the experience of only one person and that FOSS4G is not the perfect mirror of all OSGeo activities. Collecting other opinions on recent IRC chat on #osgeo, the issue is potentially big. It's a cultural one. It is not OSGeo task to change people's minds about women; but for sure raising awareness on known gender discrimination in OSS is a good step forward. Looking forward for more discussion and action on this specific topic, as well as on more generic entry barriers. all the best, Anne Bruce -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Tyler Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, 17 November 2009 9:07 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo barriers to entry Thanks for the discussion Landon. I'll leave Pandora well enough alone :) Perhaps we can turn the thread to discussing what are the real or perceived barriers people, in general, find to getting involved with OSGeo. I'm sure that any barriers women would have might also affect others, so it might be useful to broaden the discussion so more participate. 1 What barriers are there to joining OSGeo and its projects? 2 How can we be more inviting? Have you heard negative comments from potential members? Are there any reasons you might not invite a colleague to join? 3 How can we encourage more people to contribute to our projects or join with the OSGeo mission? 4 What areas in OSGeo and its projects need more helpers? 5 What are the most interesting/compelling aspects? I'm sure there are more pointed questions but these are just off the top of my head. Best wishes, Tyler - Original Message - From: Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:01 pm Subject: RE: RE: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] new: OSGeo women mailing list To: tmitch...@osgeo.org Cc: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Tyler, I understand your wife's perspective completely. It seems reasonable to conclude that there are fewer women involved in OSGeo projects because there are fewer women involved in open source computing to begin with. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksB338ACgkQzZ3g4YwFFgb5hgCfVrXEYmhVnAxpKhxNW5+JbeT1 GL4AniBvBpl3EVwosyf7ZILTHbO+EVfN =ReJs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
