Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] INSPIRE Conference 2013 - UPDATES on the workshop
Ciao Jachym, a few clarifications below... Regards, Simone Giannecchini == GeoServer training in Milan, 6th 7th June 2013! Visit http://geoserver.geo-solutions.it for more information. == Ing. Simone Giannecchini @simogeo Founder/Director GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Poggio alle Viti 1187 55054 Massarosa (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584 962313 fax: +39 0584 1660272 mob: +39 333 8128928 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it --- On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Madi, I still did not obtain any confirmation mail about proposed presentation - do you know by chance, how far the process is? As for the workshop, it seems odd to combine MapStore as concrete product with whole OSGeo stack and more dialogue-based workshop. I see them as two different topics for completely different auditorium. I would understand, that MapStore people would feel upset, if they would have to share their time with pure OSGeo. From my point of view, all decisions are bad (except having two full workshops accepted). I think, that the best option would than be to share the time with MapStore and gladly accept their offer kind 30:60 (rather 60:30 - OSGeo in general, MapStore as concrete example of local company using and developing OSGeo projects), if possible. That was exactly my proposal :) We also had to try and find a decent title as having two different workshops using portions of the same time seemed misleading and actually contraddicted what was asked from the organizers. Therefore I suggested to split the time giving precedence to the OSGEO based discussion and then hold the MapStore workshop at the end. NOTE: This is nothing against MapStore. I wish them all the best and I think, they deserve full workshop time slot as well. INSPIRE conference committee forses us to compete as international organization with semi-local company (GeoSolution). This is simply not all right (or do I see it completely wrong?) Well, life isn't perfect and we need to live with what we are while we try to change things :) I believe the solution we are proposing here is Ok (not perfect I admit) as I believe leaves enough room for discussion as well as as enough room for us (as in GeoSolutions) for showing a bit of what we do. I also think, this shows us, that OSGeo is not taken seriously as important partner to conference committee of INSPIRE conference and that brings me back to our SDI committee proposed earlier - I have to push it little bit further (I do not like pushing to hard, though). Thanks Jachym Dne 20.5.2013 15:47, Margherita Di Leo napsal(a): Dear All, as correspondent author for the workshop proposal [1], I received an email from the INSPIRE Conference Organisers. Unfortunately, due to time and space limitations, it is possible for them to only choose a small number of the submitted workshops to appear in the programme. Therefore their request was to combine, if possible, our workshop with the one submitted by Simone Giannecchini and Tobia Di Pisa: Hands-on Introduction to create mash-ups for INSPIRE Services with MapStore Simone was in cc in this email. I just had a Skype talk with Simone, and we individuated a couple of possible scenarios: 1) Withdraw one of the two workshops; or 2) Split the 90 minutes at our disposal in two. Of course this decision is up to all the co-authors. In case we decide for the second solution, Simone kindly offered to shrink his time to 30 minutes, in order to allow the round table to take place in 60 minutes comfortably. Another request from the committee was to delineate a new title for the workshop, and the proposal would be something like: Ping-Pong match: OSGeo INSPIRE (with a practical intro to using MapStore for INSPIRE Services mashups) Of course also this is open to discussion. Please let me know ASAP your reaction. Thank you and best regards, Margherita [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#Workshop_proposal ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jachym Cepicky Help Service - Remote Sensing s.r.o. jachym.cepi...@gmail.com HS-RS: jac...@hsrs.cz http://bnhelp.cz http://les-ejk.cz ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Hi Adrian, comments below: On 2013-05-19 11:50 PM, Adrian Custer wrote: Yes, OSGeo has been primarily focused on its own projects and historically has been weak at recognizing and promoting other efforts. Now that spatial has become ubiquitous it is more obvious that there is great work going on in lots of different places. The R statistical library, for example, has done a huge amount of work on spatial analysis over the past decade but does not get mentioned much. More recently, the Eclipse foundation has started a major push as well and there are many new projects online. OSGeo is one player among many others and is slowly being forced to recognize that. OSGeo might eventually change from seeing its role as promoting itself and its projects to taking on an expanded role of promoting all the geospatial software that provides its users with various freedoms. Unfortunately, the organization has been structured around insiders and outsiders in its membership and its projects so that split has become a deep part of its psyche---it will be hard for OSGeo to complete such a change though many are willing. I must say, having spoken to you face-to-face about this at FOSS4G-BA helps me understand your points. You make very good points. However it is clear that OSGeo has become *the* voice for Open Source geospatial; look at how OSGeo was/is involved in the recent OGC standards discussion (even you came into the discussions with OSGeo, when you could have done this through any other group), and also take a look at the proposals for the 2014 FOSS4G event, OSGeo's flagship event (there are proposal teams from the groups you mentioned above). What does this tell us? It tells us that yes there are many groups out there in the geospatial world, but, through the hard work of the OSGeo community since 2006, OSGeo has become the leader in Open Source geospatial today, and the other groups realize this. I personally will take what you mentioned in this email (which you told me to my face at FOSS4G-BA) and adapt my message to promote other groups as well, but, it is clear to me that we/OSGeo does have a strong voice in the geospatial world. -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [TC-Discuss] Open Letter from the OSGeo Community to the OGC Community
update: the letter has been distributed to the OGC community... -jeff Original Message Subject:[TC-Discuss] Open Letter from the OSGeo Community to the OGC Community Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 15:21:05 -0600 From: Carl Reed cr...@opengeospatial.org Organization: OGC To: Technical Committe Discuss tc-disc...@lists.opengeospatial.org Dear TC - As you may now the OGC and OSGeo have a formal Memorandum of Understanding (MoU). One of the key objectives of this MoU is to encourage open and lively dialogue between the OGC standards setting activities and the various OSGeo open source projects. In the spirit of that cooperative and collaborative objective, the OSGeo Board approved an Open Letter to the OGC Membership regarding the current GeoServices REST API vote. The OSGeo Board asked that I share this Open Letter with the OGC Membership. The Cover Letter from [Jeff] McKenna is here: http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo/ogc/osgeo-cover-letter-to-ogc.pdf and the signed Open Letter is available here: http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo/ogc/open-letter-to-ogc.pdf Regards Carl Reed, PhD CTO and Executive Director Standards Program Open Geospatial Consortium www.opengeospatial.org The OGC: Making Location Count! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Hi Andrew, I agree, it's great to see all of the variety of communities, it's great for everyone. At the same time there's nothing wrong with promoting our own community (exactly like what you do yourself so well). -jeff On 2013-05-21 11:40 AM, Andrew Ross wrote: Jeff, For what it's worth, people participate in a wide variety of communities and have for sometime. The world is diverse with plenty of room for all. We're seeing some good cross community support and initiatives, which is great. It might make sense to encourage it and celebrate it to nurture more. To overreach and lay claim to it demonstrates Adrian's point with little truly gained. A rising tide raises all boats. Andrew Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote: Hi Adrian, comments below: On 2013-05-19 11:50 PM, Adrian Custer wrote: Yes, OSGeo has been primarily focused on its own projects and historically has been weak at recognizing and promoting other efforts. Now that spatial has become ubiquitous it is more obvious that there is great work going on in lots of different places. The R statistical library, for example, has done a huge amount of work on spatial analysis over the past decade but does not get mentioned much. More recently, the Eclipse foundation has started a major push as well and there are many new projects online. OSGeo is one player among many others and is slowly being forced to recognize that. OSGeo might eventually change from seeing its role as promoting itself and its projects to taking on an expanded role of promoting all the geospatial software that provides its users with various freedoms. Unfortunately, the organization has been structured around insiders and outsiders in its membership and its projects so that split has become a deep part of its psyche---it will be hard for OSGeo to complete such a change though many are willing. I must say, having spoken to you face-to-face about this at FOSS4G-BA helps me understand your points. You make very good points. However it is clear that OSGeo has become *the* voice for Open Source geospatial; look at how OSGeo was/is involved in the recent OGC standards discussion (even you came into the discussions with OSGeo, when you could have done this through any other group), and also take a look at the proposals for the 2014 FOSS4G event, OSGeo's flagship even t (there are proposal teams from the groups you mentioned above). What does this tell us? It tells us that yes there are many groups out there in the geospatial world, but, through the hard work of the OSGeo community since 2006, OSGeo has become the leader in Open Source geospatial today, and the other groups realize this. I personally will take what you mentioned in this email (which you told me to my face at FOSS4G-BA) and adapt my message to promote other groups as well, but, it is clear to me that we/OSGeo does have a strong voice in the geospatial world. -jeff Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Andrew -- Jeff McKenna MapServer Consulting and Training Services http://www.gatewaygeomatics.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Jeff, For what it's worth, people participate in a wide variety of communities and have for sometime. The world is diverse with plenty of room for all. We're seeing some good cross community support and initiatives, which is great. It might make sense to encourage it and celebrate it to nurture more. To overreach and lay claim to it demonstrates Adrian's point with little truly gained. A rising tide raises all boats. Andrew Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote: Hi Adrian, comments below: On 2013-05-19 11:50 PM, Adrian Custer wrote: Yes, OSGeo has been primarily focused on its own projects and historically has been weak at recognizing and promoting other efforts. Now that spatial has become ubiquitous it is more obvious that there is great work going on in lots of different places. The R statistical library, for example, has done a huge amount of work on spatial analysis over the past decade but does not get mentioned much. More recently, the Eclipse foundation has started a major push as well and there are many new projects online. OSGeo is one player among many others and is slowly being forced to recognize that. OSGeo might eventually change from seeing its role as promoting itself and its projects to taking on an expanded role of promoting all the geospatial software that provides its users with various freedoms. Unfortunately, the organization has been structured around insiders and outsiders in its membership and its projects so that split has become a deep part of its psyche---it will be hard for OSGeo to complete such a change though many are willing. I must say, having spoken to you face-to-face about this at FOSS4G-BA helps me understand your points. You make very good points. However it is clear that OSGeo has become *the* voice for Open Source geospatial; look at how OSGeo was/is involved in the recent OGC standards discussion (even you came into the discussions with OSGeo, when you could have done this through any other group), and also take a look at the proposals for the 2014 FOSS4G event, OSGeo's flagship event (there are proposal teams from the groups you mentioned above). What does this tell us? It tells us that yes there are many groups out there in the geospatial world, but, through the hard work of the OSGeo community since 2006, OSGeo has become the leader in Open Source geospatial today, and the other groups realize this. I personally will take what you mentioned in this email (which you told me to my face at FOSS4G-BA) and adapt my message to promote other groups as well, but, it is clear to me that we/OSGeo does have a strong voice in the geospatial world. -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Andrew___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
On 2013-05-21 11:55 AM, Tim Bowden wrote: Interesting discussion. This reminds me of when GPSbabel came knocking on OSGeo's door looking for a home and we didn't know how to respond; imho OSGeo dropped the ball on that one (maybe because it came a bit early in the story for us). For me that was one of those future signposts in time events. I think OSGeo does need to find a way to be more inclusive of 'outside' projects that reflects OSGeo's leadership in the FOSS spatial realm. I don't think that should be at the expense of the 'foundation' role for OSGeo projects, but there is a very real challenge there if OSGeo wants to rise to the challenge of being the dominant player in FOSS spatial. I fear the alternative is to one day wake up and discover OSGeo is 'just another foundation', not because anyone else has taken up the wider FOSS spatial advocacy role, but because we've shied away from it. Hi Tim, The role of advocacy and leadership in FOSS spatial is exactly what I believe OSGeo provides. I believe our many advocates around the world provide this on a daily basis to their local communities. You are correct that we (OSGeo) will have upcoming challenges to be more inclusive of projects/communities (as Adrian, or someone, recently pointed out to me, in 2006 the OSGeo infrastructure made sense and was very attractive to new projects, but is it so attractive now in 2013? Tough question to answer, but one we must face and deal with together). -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Andrew Ross andrew.r...@eclipse.org wrote: A rising tide raises all boats. Apart from the boats that are tied up too tightly, in which case they get flooded over and sink. Application and relevance of this analogy to the discussion is left to the reader. Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] INSPIRE Conference 2013 - UPDATES on the workshop
Hi, thank you for your thoughts. I'm a bit surprised that I didn't hear from other co-authors. At this point I would like to know who is planning to be there at the workshop anyway. Thanks On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Simone Giannecchini simone.giannecch...@geo-solutions.it wrote: Ciao Jachym, a few clarifications below... Regards, Simone Giannecchini == GeoServer training in Milan, 6th 7th June 2013! Visit http://geoserver.geo-solutions.it for more information. == Ing. Simone Giannecchini @simogeo Founder/Director GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Poggio alle Viti 1187 55054 Massarosa (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584 962313 fax: +39 0584 1660272 mob: +39 333 8128928 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it --- On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Madi, I still did not obtain any confirmation mail about proposed presentation - do you know by chance, how far the process is? As for the workshop, it seems odd to combine MapStore as concrete product with whole OSGeo stack and more dialogue-based workshop. I see them as two different topics for completely different auditorium. I would understand, that MapStore people would feel upset, if they would have to share their time with pure OSGeo. From my point of view, all decisions are bad (except having two full workshops accepted). I think, that the best option would than be to share the time with MapStore and gladly accept their offer kind 30:60 (rather 60:30 - OSGeo in general, MapStore as concrete example of local company using and developing OSGeo projects), if possible. That was exactly my proposal :) We also had to try and find a decent title as having two different workshops using portions of the same time seemed misleading and actually contraddicted what was asked from the organizers. Therefore I suggested to split the time giving precedence to the OSGEO based discussion and then hold the MapStore workshop at the end. NOTE: This is nothing against MapStore. I wish them all the best and I think, they deserve full workshop time slot as well. INSPIRE conference committee forses us to compete as international organization with semi-local company (GeoSolution). This is simply not all right (or do I see it completely wrong?) Well, life isn't perfect and we need to live with what we are while we try to change things :) I believe the solution we are proposing here is Ok (not perfect I admit) as I believe leaves enough room for discussion as well as as enough room for us (as in GeoSolutions) for showing a bit of what we do. I also think, this shows us, that OSGeo is not taken seriously as important partner to conference committee of INSPIRE conference and that brings me back to our SDI committee proposed earlier - I have to push it little bit further (I do not like pushing to hard, though). Thanks Jachym Dne 20.5.2013 15:47, Margherita Di Leo napsal(a): Dear All, as correspondent author for the workshop proposal [1], I received an email from the INSPIRE Conference Organisers. Unfortunately, due to time and space limitations, it is possible for them to only choose a small number of the submitted workshops to appear in the programme. Therefore their request was to combine, if possible, our workshop with the one submitted by Simone Giannecchini and Tobia Di Pisa: Hands-on Introduction to create mash-ups for INSPIRE Services with MapStore Simone was in cc in this email. I just had a Skype talk with Simone, and we individuated a couple of possible scenarios: 1) Withdraw one of the two workshops; or 2) Split the 90 minutes at our disposal in two. Of course this decision is up to all the co-authors. In case we decide for the second solution, Simone kindly offered to shrink his time to 30 minutes, in order to allow the round table to take place in 60 minutes comfortably. Another request from the committee was to delineate a new title for the workshop, and the proposal would be something like: Ping-Pong match: OSGeo INSPIRE (with a practical intro to using MapStore for INSPIRE Services mashups) Of course also this is open to discussion. Please let me know ASAP your reaction. Thank you and best regards, Margherita [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#Workshop_proposal ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jachym Cepicky Help Service - Remote Sensing s.r.o. jachym.cepi...@gmail.com HS-RS: jac...@hsrs.cz http://bnhelp.cz http://les-ejk.cz ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss --
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] INSPIRE Conference 2013 - UPDATES on the workshop
Hi all, Sorry for my later reply. I agree with the suggested solution to split the workshop time, I don't see another way to do this. As we discussed in the initial hangout, unfortunately I won't be able to attend, but I will contribute with workshop material. Best regards, Angelos On 05/21/2013 09:23 PM, Margherita Di Leo wrote: Hi, thank you for your thoughts. I'm a bit surprised that I didn't hear from other co-authors. At this point I would like to know who is planning to be there at the workshop anyway. Thanks On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Simone Giannecchini simone.giannecch...@geo-solutions.it wrote: Ciao Jachym, a few clarifications below... Regards, Simone Giannecchini == GeoServer training in Milan, 6th 7th June 2013! Visit http://geoserver.geo-solutions.it for more information. == Ing. Simone Giannecchini @simogeo Founder/Director GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Poggio alle Viti 1187 55054 Massarosa (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584 962313 fax: +39 0584 1660272 mob: +39 333 8128928 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it --- On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Madi, I still did not obtain any confirmation mail about proposed presentation - do you know by chance, how far the process is? As for the workshop, it seems odd to combine MapStore as concrete product with whole OSGeo stack and more dialogue-based workshop. I see them as two different topics for completely different auditorium. I would understand, that MapStore people would feel upset, if they would have to share their time with pure OSGeo. From my point of view, all decisions are bad (except having two full workshops accepted). I think, that the best option would than be to share the time with MapStore and gladly accept their offer kind 30:60 (rather 60:30 - OSGeo in general, MapStore as concrete example of local company using and developing OSGeo projects), if possible. That was exactly my proposal :) We also had to try and find a decent title as having two different workshops using portions of the same time seemed misleading and actually contraddicted what was asked from the organizers. Therefore I suggested to split the time giving precedence to the OSGEO based discussion and then hold the MapStore workshop at the end. NOTE: This is nothing against MapStore. I wish them all the best and I think, they deserve full workshop time slot as well. INSPIRE conference committee forses us to compete as international organization with semi-local company (GeoSolution). This is simply not all right (or do I see it completely wrong?) Well, life isn't perfect and we need to live with what we are while we try to change things :) I believe the solution we are proposing here is Ok (not perfect I admit) as I believe leaves enough room for discussion as well as as enough room for us (as in GeoSolutions) for showing a bit of what we do. I also think, this shows us, that OSGeo is not taken seriously as important partner to conference committee of INSPIRE conference and that brings me back to our SDI committee proposed earlier - I have to push it little bit further (I do not like pushing to hard, though). Thanks Jachym Dne 20.5.2013 15:47, Margherita Di Leo napsal(a): Dear All, as correspondent author for the workshop proposal [1], I received an email from the INSPIRE Conference Organisers. Unfortunately, due to time and space limitations, it is possible for them to only choose a small number of the submitted workshops to appear in the programme. Therefore their request was to combine, if possible, our workshop with the one submitted by Simone Giannecchini and Tobia Di Pisa: Hands-on Introduction to create mash-ups for INSPIRE Services with MapStore Simone was in cc in this email. I just had a Skype talk with Simone, and we individuated a couple of possible scenarios: 1) Withdraw one of the two workshops; or 2) Split the 90 minutes at our disposal in two. Of course this decision is up to all the co-authors. In case we decide for the second solution, Simone kindly offered to shrink his time to 30 minutes, in order to allow the round table to take place in 60 minutes comfortably. Another request from the committee was to delineate a new title for the workshop, and the proposal would be something like: Ping-Pong match: OSGeo INSPIRE (with a practical intro to using MapStore for INSPIRE Services mashups) Of course also this is open to discussion. Please let me know ASAP your reaction. Thank you and best regards, Margherita [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#Workshop_proposal ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jachym Cepicky Help Service - Remote Sensing s.r.o. jachym.cepi...@gmail.com HS-RS: jac...@hsrs.cz http://bnhelp.cz http://les-ejk.cz
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] INSPIRE Conference 2013 - UPDATES on the workshop
Margherita, sorry I missed part of the info. When it is supposed to be the workshop? In Florence I have also the NASA WW challenge and therefore, as told, I have to verify if I'm free or not when there is the workshop. Many thanks! Maria Def. Quota Margherita Di Leo dileomargher...@gmail.com: Hi, thank you for your thoughts. I'm a bit surprised that I didn't hear from other co-authors. At this point I would like to know who is planning to be there at the workshop anyway. Thanks On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Simone Giannecchini simone.giannecch...@geo-solutions.it wrote: Ciao Jachym, a few clarifications below... Regards, Simone Giannecchini == GeoServer training in Milan, 6th 7th June 2013! Visit http://geoserver.geo-solutions.it for more information. == Ing. Simone Giannecchini @simogeo Founder/Director GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Poggio alle Viti 1187 55054 Massarosa (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584 962313 fax: +39 0584 1660272 mob: +39 333 8128928 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it --- On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Madi, I still did not obtain any confirmation mail about proposed presentation - do you know by chance, how far the process is? As for the workshop, it seems odd to combine MapStore as concrete product with whole OSGeo stack and more dialogue-based workshop. I see them as two different topics for completely different auditorium. I would understand, that MapStore people would feel upset, if they would have to share their time with pure OSGeo. From my point of view, all decisions are bad (except having two full workshops accepted). I think, that the best option would than be to share the time with MapStore and gladly accept their offer kind 30:60 (rather 60:30 - OSGeo in general, MapStore as concrete example of local company using and developing OSGeo projects), if possible. That was exactly my proposal :) We also had to try and find a decent title as having two different workshops using portions of the same time seemed misleading and actually contraddicted what was asked from the organizers. Therefore I suggested to split the time giving precedence to the OSGEO based discussion and then hold the MapStore workshop at the end. NOTE: This is nothing against MapStore. I wish them all the best and I think, they deserve full workshop time slot as well. INSPIRE conference committee forses us to compete as international organization with semi-local company (GeoSolution). This is simply not all right (or do I see it completely wrong?) Well, life isn't perfect and we need to live with what we are while we try to change things :) I believe the solution we are proposing here is Ok (not perfect I admit) as I believe leaves enough room for discussion as well as as enough room for us (as in GeoSolutions) for showing a bit of what we do. I also think, this shows us, that OSGeo is not taken seriously as important partner to conference committee of INSPIRE conference and that brings me back to our SDI committee proposed earlier - I have to push it little bit further (I do not like pushing to hard, though). Thanks Jachym Dne 20.5.2013 15:47, Margherita Di Leo napsal(a): Dear All, as correspondent author for the workshop proposal [1], I received an email from the INSPIRE Conference Organisers. Unfortunately, due to time and space limitations, it is possible for them to only choose a small number of the submitted workshops to appear in the programme. Therefore their request was to combine, if possible, our workshop with the one submitted by Simone Giannecchini and Tobia Di Pisa: Hands-on Introduction to create mash-ups for INSPIRE Services with MapStore Simone was in cc in this email. I just had a Skype talk with Simone, and we individuated a couple of possible scenarios: 1) Withdraw one of the two workshops; or 2) Split the 90 minutes at our disposal in two. Of course this decision is up to all the co-authors. In case we decide for the second solution, Simone kindly offered to shrink his time to 30 minutes, in order to allow the round table to take place in 60 minutes comfortably. Another request from the committee was to delineate a new title for the workshop, and the proposal would be something like: Ping-Pong match: OSGeo INSPIRE (with a practical intro to using MapStore for INSPIRE Services mashups) Of course also this is open to discussion. Please let me know ASAP your reaction. Thank you and best regards, Margherita [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#Workshop_proposal ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jachym Cepicky Help Service - Remote Sensing s.r.o. jachym.cepi...@gmail.com HS-RS: jac...@hsrs.cz http://bnhelp.cz
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] INSPIRE Conference 2013 - UPDATES on the workshop
Thanks Maria, from informal communication i gathered it will take place on Monday morning. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:12 PM, maria.brove...@diiar-topo.polimi.itwrote: Margherita, sorry I missed part of the info. When it is supposed to be the workshop? In Florence I have also the NASA WW challenge and therefore, as told, I have to verify if I'm free or not when there is the workshop. Many thanks! Maria Def. Quota Margherita Di Leo dileomargher...@gmail.com: Hi, thank you for your thoughts. I'm a bit surprised that I didn't hear from other co-authors. At this point I would like to know who is planning to be there at the workshop anyway. Thanks On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Simone Giannecchini simone.giannecchini@geo-**solutions.itsimone.giannecch...@geo-solutions.it wrote: Ciao Jachym, a few clarifications below... Regards, Simone Giannecchini == GeoServer training in Milan, 6th 7th June 2013! Visit http://geoserver.geo-**solutions.it http://geoserver.geo-solutions.itfor more information. == Ing. Simone Giannecchini @simogeo Founder/Director GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Poggio alle Viti 1187 55054 Massarosa (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584 962313 fax: +39 0584 1660272 mob: +39 333 8128928 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://twitter.com/**geosolutions_ithttp://twitter.com/geosolutions_it --**- On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Madi, I still did not obtain any confirmation mail about proposed presentation - do you know by chance, how far the process is? As for the workshop, it seems odd to combine MapStore as concrete product with whole OSGeo stack and more dialogue-based workshop. I see them as two different topics for completely different auditorium. I would understand, that MapStore people would feel upset, if they would have to share their time with pure OSGeo. From my point of view, all decisions are bad (except having two full workshops accepted). I think, that the best option would than be to share the time with MapStore and gladly accept their offer kind 30:60 (rather 60:30 - OSGeo in general, MapStore as concrete example of local company using and developing OSGeo projects), if possible. That was exactly my proposal :) We also had to try and find a decent title as having two different workshops using portions of the same time seemed misleading and actually contraddicted what was asked from the organizers. Therefore I suggested to split the time giving precedence to the OSGEO based discussion and then hold the MapStore workshop at the end. NOTE: This is nothing against MapStore. I wish them all the best and I think, they deserve full workshop time slot as well. INSPIRE conference committee forses us to compete as international organization with semi-local company (GeoSolution). This is simply not all right (or do I see it completely wrong?) Well, life isn't perfect and we need to live with what we are while we try to change things :) I believe the solution we are proposing here is Ok (not perfect I admit) as I believe leaves enough room for discussion as well as as enough room for us (as in GeoSolutions) for showing a bit of what we do. I also think, this shows us, that OSGeo is not taken seriously as important partner to conference committee of INSPIRE conference and that brings me back to our SDI committee proposed earlier - I have to push it little bit further (I do not like pushing to hard, though). Thanks Jachym Dne 20.5.2013 15:47, Margherita Di Leo napsal(a): Dear All, as correspondent author for the workshop proposal [1], I received an email from the INSPIRE Conference Organisers. Unfortunately, due to time and space limitations, it is possible for them to only choose a small number of the submitted workshops to appear in the programme. Therefore their request was to combine, if possible, our workshop with the one submitted by Simone Giannecchini and Tobia Di Pisa: Hands-on Introduction to create mash-ups for INSPIRE Services with MapStore Simone was in cc in this email. I just had a Skype talk with Simone, and we individuated a couple of possible scenarios: 1) Withdraw one of the two workshops; or 2) Split the 90 minutes at our disposal in two. Of course this decision is up to all the co-authors. In case we decide for the second solution, Simone kindly offered to shrink his time to 30 minutes, in order to allow the round table to take place in 60 minutes comfortably. Another request from the committee was to delineate a new title for the workshop, and the proposal would be something like: Ping-Pong match: OSGeo INSPIRE (with a practical intro to using MapStore for INSPIRE Services mashups) Of course also this is open to discussion. Please let me know ASAP your reaction.
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] INSPIRE Conference 2013 - UPDATES on the workshop
I let you know as soon as I have the schedule for the NASA WW challenge. Cheers. Maria Def. Quota Margherita Di Leo dileomargher...@gmail.com: Thanks Maria, from informal communication i gathered it will take place on Monday morning. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:12 PM, maria.brove...@diiar-topo.polimi.itwrote: Margherita, sorry I missed part of the info. When it is supposed to be the workshop? In Florence I have also the NASA WW challenge and therefore, as told, I have to verify if I'm free or not when there is the workshop. Many thanks! Maria Def. Quota Margherita Di Leo dileomargher...@gmail.com: Hi, thank you for your thoughts. I'm a bit surprised that I didn't hear from other co-authors. At this point I would like to know who is planning to be there at the workshop anyway. Thanks On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Simone Giannecchini simone.giannecchini@geo-**solutions.itsimone.giannecch...@geo-solutions.it wrote: Ciao Jachym, a few clarifications below... Regards, Simone Giannecchini == GeoServer training in Milan, 6th 7th June 2013! Visit http://geoserver.geo-**solutions.it http://geoserver.geo-solutions.itfor more information. == Ing. Simone Giannecchini @simogeo Founder/Director GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Poggio alle Viti 1187 55054 Massarosa (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584 962313 fax: +39 0584 1660272 mob: +39 333 8128928 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://twitter.com/**geosolutions_ithttp://twitter.com/geosolutions_it --**- On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Madi, I still did not obtain any confirmation mail about proposed presentation - do you know by chance, how far the process is? As for the workshop, it seems odd to combine MapStore as concrete product with whole OSGeo stack and more dialogue-based workshop. I see them as two different topics for completely different auditorium. I would understand, that MapStore people would feel upset, if they would have to share their time with pure OSGeo. From my point of view, all decisions are bad (except having two full workshops accepted). I think, that the best option would than be to share the time with MapStore and gladly accept their offer kind 30:60 (rather 60:30 - OSGeo in general, MapStore as concrete example of local company using and developing OSGeo projects), if possible. That was exactly my proposal :) We also had to try and find a decent title as having two different workshops using portions of the same time seemed misleading and actually contraddicted what was asked from the organizers. Therefore I suggested to split the time giving precedence to the OSGEO based discussion and then hold the MapStore workshop at the end. NOTE: This is nothing against MapStore. I wish them all the best and I think, they deserve full workshop time slot as well. INSPIRE conference committee forses us to compete as international organization with semi-local company (GeoSolution). This is simply not all right (or do I see it completely wrong?) Well, life isn't perfect and we need to live with what we are while we try to change things :) I believe the solution we are proposing here is Ok (not perfect I admit) as I believe leaves enough room for discussion as well as as enough room for us (as in GeoSolutions) for showing a bit of what we do. I also think, this shows us, that OSGeo is not taken seriously as important partner to conference committee of INSPIRE conference and that brings me back to our SDI committee proposed earlier - I have to push it little bit further (I do not like pushing to hard, though). Thanks Jachym Dne 20.5.2013 15:47, Margherita Di Leo napsal(a): Dear All, as correspondent author for the workshop proposal [1], I received an email from the INSPIRE Conference Organisers. Unfortunately, due to time and space limitations, it is possible for them to only choose a small number of the submitted workshops to appear in the programme. Therefore their request was to combine, if possible, our workshop with the one submitted by Simone Giannecchini and Tobia Di Pisa: Hands-on Introduction to create mash-ups for INSPIRE Services with MapStore Simone was in cc in this email. I just had a Skype talk with Simone, and we individuated a couple of possible scenarios: 1) Withdraw one of the two workshops; or 2) Split the 90 minutes at our disposal in two. Of course this decision is up to all the co-authors. In case we decide for the second solution, Simone kindly offered to shrink his time to 30 minutes, in order to allow the round table to take place in 60 minutes comfortably. Another request from the committee was to delineate a new title for the workshop, and the proposal would be something like: Ping-Pong match: OSGeo INSPIRE (with a practical intro to using MapStore for INSPIRE Services mashups) Of course also this is open to discussion. Please let me
[OSGeo-Discuss] Will OGC’s standards meet government purchasing guidelines?
In what has become the OGC’s most contentious vote to date, OGC members are being asked whether the proposed Geoservices REST API should be accepted as an OGC standard. A summary of concerns are listed in an Open Letter from the Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) to the OGC. However, the crux of contentions hinge around the definition of an Open Standard and whether the Geoservices REST API qualifies as one. *When measured against government’s policy drivers of interoperability, fair competition, and economical use of government funds, the evidence is overwhelming. Geoservices REST API fails on all accounts. *In fact, we should be questioning why our OGC processes haven’t identified and then addressed these issues much earlier. The justification is in blog format (as hyperlinks to references don't copy well to some email clients): http://lisasoft.com/blog/will-ogc%E2%80%99s-standards-meet-government-purchasing-guidelines -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Gabriel, There is a larger list of established geospatial open source projects at: http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html This list includes some, but not all of the projects you mentioned. Criteria for being included in OSGeo-Live is that the project is established and stable, and that there is someone prepared to keep the OSGeo-Live version of the project up to date. (This is often a good indicator of the health of the project's community) On 20/05/2013 7:27 AM, Gabriel Morin wrote: Hello sir I am currently a trainee in a city hall for a few months and I have to work with several map and metadata tools. In my formation we have used a bit of mapserver and amoung the documents the osgeo web site was mentioned for documentation and help. But I can not found any of the tools I work with on the site, that is MDWeb and OpenJump. plenty of other names of tools we have heard about are also missing, like Drupal, GvSIg, GeoToolkit, WorldWind, Osmosis. Actually it looks like there is only a very restricted list in the osgeo. Why is that ? thank you. gabriel ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
