Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Will OGC’s standards meet government purchasing guidelines?
Cameron, just to say that for the first time I’m seing good strong arguments that make a clear case, that’s easy to understand and with very low emotional content… Thanks for your tireless work on this. Regards, Duarte De: Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com] Enviada: quarta-feira, 22 de Maio de 2013 03:26 Para: standa...@lists.osgeo.org; OSGeo Discussions Assunto: [OSGeo-Discuss] Will OGC’s standards meet government purchasing guidelines? In what has become the OGC’s most contentious vote to date, OGC members are being asked whether the proposed Geoservices REST API should be accepted as an OGC standard. A summary of concerns are listed in an Open Letter from the Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) to the OGC. However, the crux of contentions hinge around the definition of an Open Standard and whether the Geoservices REST API qualifies as one. When measured against government’s policy drivers of interoperability, fair competition, and economical use of government funds, the evidence is overwhelming. Geoservices REST API fails on all accounts. In fact, we should be questioning why our OGC processes haven’t identified and then addressed these issues much earlier. The justification is in blog format (as hyperlinks to references don't copy well to some email clients): http://lisasoft.com/blog/will-ogc%E2%80%99s-standards-meet-government-purchasing-guidelines -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] inspire conference 2013 paper and workshop
Hi Jachym and all, Good initiative! I don't know if it is too late (busy), but I've also added my name to the paper. Unfortunately I can't be in Florence but may add some contribution. From 2009 on we (jointly with a.o. Lat-Lon/Occam Labs i.e. deegree) have been doing quite some INSPIRE FOSS work mainly on data transformation, storage, and WMS/WFSs with transformed data, sponsored by Dutch Kadaster. This work is available in two FOSS projects INSPIRE-FOSS [1] and Stetl [2]. These are not OSGeo projects, but build on OSGeo products, in particular deegree. Given that the paper is about OSGeo products would this still fit in? I also think data transformation/ETL is a large and underestimated effort in INSPIRE, (wasn't harmonized data the essence of INSPIRE?), so IMO should have a place as well. best regards, --Just Just van den Broecke www.justobjects.nl [1] http://inspire-foss.org [2] http://stetl.org. As there has been no funding On 22-05-13 16:38, Margherita Di Leo wrote: Hi Jachym and all, On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, thanks to Margherita, we now know, that the presentation proposal [1] for this years INSPIRE conference in Florence was accepted as Poster and the workshop proposed [2] was accepted under the condition, that we merge it together with the workshop from GeoSolution and their MapStore. As I wrote in the other thread - but I'd repeat it for the record - this is no longer the case, thanks to the organisers and to Simone who kindly accepted to take another slot on Sunday morning. So at the moment we have a full slot of 90 minutes to cover, on Monday. Workshop: - I would like to ask all people, who are *going* to Florence and *want to actively participate* at the workshop, put your name there [3]. Thank you Jachym to have raised this crucial point. I would kindly invite those available to actively participate (in person) at the workshop to show up, otherwise I fear that we'll have to drop the idea. Deadline: Monday 27.5.2013. Reason for that: we need to make sure, someone will come and will something to say. Thanks. Best, madi [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#Paper_proposal [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#Workshop_proposal [3] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#People_going_to_Florence_and_wanting_to_actively_participate_at_the_workshop -- -- Best regards, Margherita DI LEO Postdoctoral Researcher European Commission - DG JRC Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES) Via Fermi, 2749 I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261 Tel. +39 0332 78 3600 margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eu mailto:margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eu Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Will OGC’s standards meet government purchasing guidelines?
Cameron- from the perspective of an OGC spec writer (WCS, in this case) working hard on good engineering I very much appreciate your differentiated viewpoint, refining the catch-all headline appropriately. regards, Peter On 05/23/2013 10:53 AM, Duarte Carreira wrote: Cameron, just to say that for the first time I’m seing good strong arguments that make a clear case, that’s easy to understand and with very low emotional content… Thanks for your tireless work on this. Regards, Duarte *De:*Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com] *Enviada:* quarta-feira, 22 de Maio de 2013 03:26 *Para:* standa...@lists.osgeo.org; OSGeo Discussions *Assunto:* [OSGeo-Discuss] Will OGC’s standards meet government purchasing guidelines? In what has become the OGC’s most contentious vote to date, OGC members are being asked whether the proposed Geoservices REST API should be accepted as an OGC standard. A summary of concerns are listed in an Open Letter from the Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) to the OGC. However, the crux of contentions hinge around the definition of an Open Standard and whether the Geoservices REST API qualifies as one. *When measured against government’s policy drivers of interoperability, fair competition, and economical use of government funds, the evidence is overwhelming. Geoservices REST API fails on all accounts. *In fact, we should be questioning why our OGC processes haven’t identified and then addressed these issues much earlier. The justification is in blog format (as hyperlinks to references don't copy well to some email clients): http://lisasoft.com/blog/will-ogc%E2%80%99s-standards-meet-government-purchasing-guidelines -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Dr. Peter Baumann - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann mail: p.baum...@jacobs-university.de tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178 - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793) www.rasdaman.com, mail: baum...@rasdaman.com tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882 Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata. (mail disclaimer, AD 1083) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Hi Jeff and others, does it make any sense to have a space for pre-incubation projects (or OSGeo friendly projects) that OSGeo promote even if not still officially part of the family but recognized as interesting? For example I have a project on an OGC service (istSOS) that has a very limited community but is willing to become a day OSGeo project... other projects may have the same feeling, maybe a pre-incubation box could worth? Maxi On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote: On 2013-05-21 11:55 AM, Tim Bowden wrote: Interesting discussion. This reminds me of when GPSbabel came knocking on OSGeo's door looking for a home and we didn't know how to respond; imho OSGeo dropped the ball on that one (maybe because it came a bit early in the story for us). For me that was one of those future signposts in time events. I think OSGeo does need to find a way to be more inclusive of 'outside' projects that reflects OSGeo's leadership in the FOSS spatial realm. I don't think that should be at the expense of the 'foundation' role for OSGeo projects, but there is a very real challenge there if OSGeo wants to rise to the challenge of being the dominant player in FOSS spatial. I fear the alternative is to one day wake up and discover OSGeo is 'just another foundation', not because anyone else has taken up the wider FOSS spatial advocacy role, but because we've shied away from it. Hi Tim, The role of advocacy and leadership in FOSS spatial is exactly what I believe OSGeo provides. I believe our many advocates around the world provide this on a daily basis to their local communities. You are correct that we (OSGeo) will have upcoming challenges to be more inclusive of projects/communities (as Adrian, or someone, recently pointed out to me, in 2006 the OSGeo infrastructure made sense and was very attractive to new projects, but is it so attractive now in 2013? Tough question to answer, but one we must face and deal with together). -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- *Massimiliano Cannata* Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica Responsabile settore Geomatica Istituto scienze della Terra Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14 Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09 massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch *www.supsi.ch/ist* ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Wasn't OSGeolabs supposed to fill the need for space for pre-incubation and other type of emerging projects? http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs It appears to be a forgotten OSGeo initiative which surfaced recently due to confusion with ICA-OSGeo research and education laboratories, which is a different kind of effort http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Edu_current_initiatives Helena Helena Mitasova Associate Professor Department of Marine, Earth, and Atmospheric Sciences 2800 Faucette Drive, Rm. 1125 Jordan Hall North Carolina State University Raleigh, NC 27695-8208 hmit...@ncsu.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.” On May 23, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote: Hi Jeff and others, does it make any sense to have a space for pre-incubation projects (or OSGeo friendly projects) that OSGeo promote even if not still officially part of the family but recognized as interesting? For example I have a project on an OGC service (istSOS) that has a very limited community but is willing to become a day OSGeo project... other projects may have the same feeling, maybe a pre-incubation box could worth? Maxi On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote: On 2013-05-21 11:55 AM, Tim Bowden wrote: Interesting discussion. This reminds me of when GPSbabel came knocking on OSGeo's door looking for a home and we didn't know how to respond; imho OSGeo dropped the ball on that one (maybe because it came a bit early in the story for us). For me that was one of those future signposts in time events. I think OSGeo does need to find a way to be more inclusive of 'outside' projects that reflects OSGeo's leadership in the FOSS spatial realm. I don't think that should be at the expense of the 'foundation' role for OSGeo projects, but there is a very real challenge there if OSGeo wants to rise to the challenge of being the dominant player in FOSS spatial. I fear the alternative is to one day wake up and discover OSGeo is 'just another foundation', not because anyone else has taken up the wider FOSS spatial advocacy role, but because we've shied away from it. Hi Tim, The role of advocacy and leadership in FOSS spatial is exactly what I believe OSGeo provides. I believe our many advocates around the world provide this on a daily basis to their local communities. You are correct that we (OSGeo) will have upcoming challenges to be more inclusive of projects/communities (as Adrian, or someone, recently pointed out to me, in 2006 the OSGeo infrastructure made sense and was very attractive to new projects, but is it so attractive now in 2013? Tough question to answer, but one we must face and deal with together). -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Massimiliano Cannata Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica Responsabile settore Geomatica Istituto scienze della Terra Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14 Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09 massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch www.supsi.ch/ist ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Market adoption in Korea
This announcement is from Sanghee Shin from the OSGeo Korea local chapter. - The KAOS-G(Korea Alliance of Open Source Geospatial) was formed and launched on 22nd, May by 8 companies across open source geospatial business in Korea to drive market adoption of open source GIS. Open source GIS is now accepted as viable solution for creating, managing and sharing geospatial information in Korea. Also open source GIS opens up many chances of new business. As a company alliance, KAOS-G will try to capture these business chances in more commercial way by providing professional open source GIS solutions and technologies. In short term, the Alliance will focus on creating packaging open source GIS solutions offering more Korean friendly environment usability. Also Alliance members will demonstrate a plenty of success stories and use cases using open source GIS from a business and solution point of view. It will create an ecosystem around open source GIS that stimulates and accelerates the market adoption of open source GIS solutions and technologies. It will seek virtuous cycle innovation across developers, users, communities and companies by supporting, assisting and having good relationship with open source GIS communities like OSGeo Korean Chapter. The other important task for the Alliance is to increase voice to Korean government about open source GIS. Founding members include: Gaia3D, Mango System, enGIS, KESTI, GNT Solution, E3, CE Tech, Agathosergon --- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Additional Workshops at FOSS4G 2013
We are pleased to announce that we have managed to secure some additional rooms suitable for running workshops during the main conference. These workshops will be free to all delegates and will be ran on a first-come, first-served basis on the day. Paul Ramsey has kindly agreed to run a round of community voting for the workshops which we will use for the selection. Further details to follow shortly. Regards, Matt. -- Matt Walker @_walkermatt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
