Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

A resounding YES !!!


> On Oct 6, 2015, at 5:12 PM, Barry Rowlingson  
> wrote:
> 
> Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> here goes...
> 
> Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
> 
> Cons:
> 
> 1. FOSS4G is an established brand
> 
> 2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both.
> 
> Counters to those:
> 
> 1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
> have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.
> 
> 2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?
> 
> Pros:
> 
> 1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.
> 
> 2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
> years ago, but not now :)
> 
> 3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.
> 
> 4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
> discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
> becomes moot.
> 
> 5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
> geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
> acronym to remember.
> 
> [I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
> Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
> but that might be a bit too much :)]
> 
> So, this is the discuss list, discuss.
> 
> Barry
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Randal Hale]

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. I will bring some fuel - 
diesel in honor of the largest car manufacturing plant near me (Volkswagen)


It would strengthen the brand of OSGEO with a conference named the same. 
There seems to be a fairly large disconnect right now with the FOSS4GNA 
conference and OSGEO. That needs to be much tighter.


Although I'm a bit of a stickler with Free and Open Source - I like the 
idea of going OS*Geo - *because that's what I do (at least in my case) - 
I use GIS and I do it with free and open source tools.


+11 on having to explain foss4g and then dragging osgeo into it.

Lets go one step further and talk to the Geo4all folks into saying 
osgeo4all.


Randy

On 10/06/2015 11:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:

Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
here goes...

Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?

Cons:

  1. FOSS4G is an established brand

  2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both.

Counters to those:

  1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.

  2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?

Pros:

  1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.

  2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
years ago, but not now :)

  3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.

  4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
becomes moot.

  5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
acronym to remember.

[I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
but that might be a bit too much :)]

So, this is the discuss list, discuss.

Barry
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi Barry,

No, please no!! FOSS4G is easy to pronounce in several languages, includes
the word Free and is the name of the conference. OsGeo is ¿"just"? the
organization behind it.

I think it will make even more sense to change OSGeo to FOSGeo.

Comments inline.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Barry Rowlingson <
b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:

> Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> here goes...
>
> Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
>
> Cons:
>
>  1. FOSS4G is an established brand
>
>  2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including
> both.
>
> Counters to those:
>
>  1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
> have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.
>
>  2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?
>

What argument? Why? If you are thinking about the free/open argument,
that's something we *should* make clear before the "openess" eats us.


> Pros:
>
>  1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.
>
>  2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
> years ago, but not now :)
>
>  3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.
>

For this we just have to wait until the 5G generation.


>
>  4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
> discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
> becomes moot.
>

If OSGeo becomes irrelevant to FOSS4G it will be because FOSS4G has evolved
to something better. What would be the problem in that? Give space to
things so they can evolve...


>
>  5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
> geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
> acronym to remember.
>

And then when we talk about OSGeo it may become confusing if we are
referring to the conference or to the organization.


>
> [I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
> Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
> but that might be a bit too much :)]
>
> So, this is the discuss list, discuss.
>
> Barry
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Dan Little]

I'm actually a +1 for this.  Changing to "The OSGeo Conference" would
give the description right on the tin and ensure that OSGeo remains
more actively relevant in the minds of members and newbies approaching
the organization.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson
 wrote:
> Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> here goes...
>
> Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
>
> Cons:
>
>  1. FOSS4G is an established brand
>
>  2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both.
>
> Counters to those:
>
>  1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
> have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.
>
>  2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?
>
> Pros:
>
>  1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.
>
>  2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
> years ago, but not now :)
>
>  3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.
>
>  4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
> discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
> becomes moot.
>
>  5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
> geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
> acronym to remember.
>
> [I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
> Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
> but that might be a bit too much :)]
>
> So, this is the discuss list, discuss.
>
> Barry
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[David Bianco]

Paul's 2006 link seems to show a split between foss4g and osgeo, as
well.

+1 for changing to "OSGeo Conference".   Call it what it is.   

because 7 ate 9,
Dave

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015, at 15:08, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Paragon Corporation  wrote:
> > We really should have just gone with GeoBonkers' Meeting back then. It
> > speaks to me on so many levels.
> 
>  I'm not sure we want bonking at OSGeo events...
> 
> > In all seriousness though, I think changing the name now that everyone has
> > gotten used to it and knows what it means is not a good use of anybody's
> > time.
> 
>  You've missed my point by saying "everyone has gotten used to it".
> Really, "everyone"? This is an introverted point of view of the OSGeo
> community. Yes, you and I and everyone *on this mailing list* knows
> the difference and the relationship between OSGeo and FOSS4G. But
> there are people out there in geospatial who don't know either. They
> are the people we have to reach out to. And its those people to whom I
> hypothesise that "OSGeo" is a better branding than "FOSS4G". But I'm
> not sure the effort to verify this hypothesis (surveys, focus groups)
> is worth it. But my intuition is that it is.
> 
>  The pattern of calling the annual conference of organisation Foo,
> "The Foo Conference" is quite well established in many fields.
> 
> > OSGEO is the Go To for all your FOSS4G needs.
> 
> As they say, "GoTo Considered Harmful"...
> 
> Barry
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Regina
> >
> >
> >
> > From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
> > [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 3:45 PM
> > To: Paul Ramsey 
> > Cc: osgeo-discuss 
> > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6 Oct 2015 18:28, "Paul Ramsey"  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> >> > here goes...
> >> >
> >> > Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
> >>
> >> Get off my lawn.
> >>
> >>
> >> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2006-September/30.html
> >
> > The decade passed makes it to late, init?
> > Mateusz Łoskot
> > (Sent from mobile)
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Jeff McKenna]

I do notice that many of the people speaking here were unable to attend 
FOSS4G Seoul.  What you missed experiencing was how a FOSS4G event 
should be:


- OSGeo Board representative quickly introduced the event in the opening 
plenary

- OSGeo Board representative closed the event in the final plenary
- "FOSS4G Hosted by OSGeo" was plastered all of the venue, wall banners, 
popup banners, conference bags

- the OSGeo logo was as visible as the conference logo itself
- OSGeo was provided the most prominent booth location
- OSGeo projects were well represented in workshops and presentations
- many special sessions were created by the local committee that were 
written in the program as "Hosted by OSGeo"


These may seem minor points to some, but what happened was that the new 
attendees became aware of this "OSGeo" thing and that they host FOSS4G. 
Attendees left with an excited feeling about FOSS4G and OSGeo, and yes, 
therefore knowing how "relevant" OSGeo is.


Before the event I ordered my first ever set of "President, OSGeo" 
business cards.  I brought 200, and came back with none; all that 
marketing at the venue done by the local committee really sparked 
interest in the attendees.


It was a wonderful event run by the Korean chapter.  We should take note 
for future events.


-jeff




On 2015-10-06 12:12 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:

Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
here goes...

Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?

Cons:

  1. FOSS4G is an established brand

  2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both.

Counters to those:

  1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.

  2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?

Pros:

  1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.

  2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
years ago, but not now :)

  3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.

  4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
becomes moot.

  5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
acronym to remember.

[I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
but that might be a bit too much :)]

So, this is the discuss list, discuss.

Barry


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[OSGeo-Discuss] welcome to the new lab!!!

[Suchith Anand]

Thank you Maria and Peter for this excellent development and warm welcome to 
our colleagues in IREA to "Geo for All". It is really impressive research you 
all are doing and we look forward to building more collaborations and synergies.

Best wishes,

Suchith

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To: ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org; Paola Carrara; Alessandro Oggioni
Subject: [Ica-osgeo-labs] welcome to the new lab!!!


Dear All


We are very glad to announce the 103th Lab  of our network at  Institute IREA 
(Institute for
th Electromagnetic Sensing of the Environment), of the Italian National
Research Council.

 Activities of IREA in FOSS are mainly related to researches in the
management of geo-based data and information, and in the development of
free and open software to enable storage, management, view and access to
geodata.

 Only to cite their main initiatives, in the very last years their group
has created a software suite, called GET-It (GeoEnable ToolkIt) Starter
Kit, to enable environmental and marine researchers in the creation of
autonomous, distributed nodes of a Spatial Data Infrastructure,
uploading research results in the form of maps/observations (and related
metadata). GET-It supports domain researchers in the creation of OGC
standard services like WMS, WFS, WCS, CSW and SOS.
 GET-It is based on GeoNode, contains pyCSW, Geoserver and is
accessible on GitHub at the address
https://github.com/SP7-Ritmare/starterkit.

 GET-It contains also another open and free piece of software
developed by IREA, i.e. EDI, a general purpose, customizable,
template-driven metadata editor. EDI is composed of a backend web
service and an html5/javascript client. It can be customized for
managing the creation of different types of metadata. Once instructed
for a specific format, EDI can present to the users a web form for the
edition of metadata. EDI is mainly meant to help users in compiling
metadata not only supplying more human readable information than XML,
but also providing all the invariant part of the metadata (“profile”),
letting the user to concentrate only on the parts related to the
specific deployment.
 EDI is also accessible on GitHub at the address
https://github.com/SP7-Ritmare/EDI-NG_client.

 IREA is heavily interested in VGI and in crowdsourcing for Citizen
Science applications; in this sectors, IREA has been active in the
promotion of already available FOSS (such as Ushahidi and iNaturalist),
by tailoring and adapting to the ongoing projects and applications of
IREA, in particular in the ecological and environmental realm.


Welcome IREA, thanks Alessandro Oggioni to be the point of contact!
Happy day to everybody!
Maria and Peter


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 6 Oct 2015 18:28, "Paul Ramsey"  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson
>  wrote:
> > Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> > here goes...
> >
> > Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
>
> Get off my lawn.
>
>
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2006-September/30.html

The decade passed makes it to late, init?
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

> On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Paragon Corporation  wrote:
> 
> OSGEO is the Go To for all your FOSS4G needs.



Reminds me how I used to do GIS on my IBM then go home and watch CBS on my VCR. 
Thankfully, those days are over.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Barry Rowlingson]

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Paragon Corporation  wrote:
> We really should have just gone with GeoBonkers' Meeting back then. It
> speaks to me on so many levels.

 I'm not sure we want bonking at OSGeo events...

> In all seriousness though, I think changing the name now that everyone has
> gotten used to it and knows what it means is not a good use of anybody's
> time.

 You've missed my point by saying "everyone has gotten used to it".
Really, "everyone"? This is an introverted point of view of the OSGeo
community. Yes, you and I and everyone *on this mailing list* knows
the difference and the relationship between OSGeo and FOSS4G. But
there are people out there in geospatial who don't know either. They
are the people we have to reach out to. And its those people to whom I
hypothesise that "OSGeo" is a better branding than "FOSS4G". But I'm
not sure the effort to verify this hypothesis (surveys, focus groups)
is worth it. But my intuition is that it is.

 The pattern of calling the annual conference of organisation Foo,
"The Foo Conference" is quite well established in many fields.

> OSGEO is the Go To for all your FOSS4G needs.

As they say, "GoTo Considered Harmful"...

Barry


>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Regina
>
>
>
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
> [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 3:45 PM
> To: Paul Ramsey 
> Cc: osgeo-discuss 
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G
>
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2015 18:28, "Paul Ramsey"  wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson
>>  wrote:
>> > Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
>> > here goes...
>> >
>> > Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
>>
>> Get off my lawn.
>>
>>
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2006-September/30.html
>
> The decade passed makes it to late, init?
> Mateusz Łoskot
> (Sent from mobile)
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Paragon Corporation]

We really should have just gone with GeoBonkers' Meeting back then. It speaks 
to me on so many levels.

 

In all seriousness though, I think changing the name now that everyone has 
gotten used to it and knows what it means is not a good use of anybody's time.

 

As Jeff noted, there are other ways to elevate the OSGEO name without making 
the conference name OSGEO and really the message we want to give involves both

 

OSGEO is the Go To for all your FOSS4G needs.

 

 

Thanks,

Regina

 

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On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 3:45 PM
To: Paul Ramsey 
Cc: osgeo-discuss 
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

 

On 6 Oct 2015 18:28, "Paul Ramsey"  > wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson
>  > wrote:
> > Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> > here goes...
> >
> > Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
>
> Get off my lawn.
>
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2006-September/30.html

The decade passed makes it to late, init? 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Mateusz Loskot]

s/OSGEO/OSGeo/ :)

On 6 Oct 2015 23:11, "Paragon Corporation"  wrote:
>
> We really should have just gone with GeoBonkers' Meeting back then. It
speaks to me on so many levels.
>
>
>
> In all seriousness though, I think changing the name now that everyone
has gotten used to it and knows what it means is not a good use of
anybody's time.
>
>
>
> As Jeff noted, there are other ways to elevate the OSGEO name without
making the conference name OSGEO and really the message we want to give
involves both
>
>
>
> OSGEO is the Go To for all your FOSS4G needs.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Regina
>
>
>
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:
discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 3:45 PM
> To: Paul Ramsey 
> Cc: osgeo-discuss 
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G
>
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2015 18:28, "Paul Ramsey"  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson
> >  wrote:
> > > Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> > > here goes...
> > >
> > > Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
> >
> > Get off my lawn.
> >
> >
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2006-September/30.html
>
> The decade passed makes it to late, init?
> Mateusz Łoskot
> (Sent from mobile)
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Geoforall intro slides

[Anita Graser]

Hi,
Do we have any standard intro slides for geo4all? Planning to spread the
word here in Vienna.
Best wishes
Anita
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Seoul presentation files are available now.

[Venkatesh Raghavan]

Sanghee,

Thanks to you and your team for getting the presentation slides
online. Would it be possible to have the keynote speeches online
too?

Best

Venka

On 2015/10/06 18:32, Sanghee Shin wrote:

Dear All,

FOSS4G Seoul team is very pleased to announce that FOSS4G Seoul presentation 
files are available now on the web.

Please go to http://2015.foss4g.org/ -> Schedule -> Programme Schedule or just 
visit directly 
https://www.meci.co.kr/societyevent/FOSS4G2015/program/program_1.asp?sMenu=pro1

Please be aware that presentation files are available only from whom agreed to 
share.

And FOSS4G Seoul videos are almost ready to be shared. We’ll upload all the 
videos and will announce soon again.

Thanks and regards,

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[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Seoul presentation files are available now.

[Sanghee Shin]

Dear All, 

FOSS4G Seoul team is very pleased to announce that FOSS4G Seoul presentation 
files are available now on the web. 

Please go to http://2015.foss4g.org/ -> Schedule -> Programme Schedule or just 
visit directly 
https://www.meci.co.kr/societyevent/FOSS4G2015/program/program_1.asp?sMenu=pro1

Please be aware that presentation files are available only from whom agreed to 
share. 

And FOSS4G Seoul videos are almost ready to be shared. We’ll upload all the 
videos and will announce soon again. 

Thanks and regards, 

신상희
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Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
http://www.gaia3d.com 

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Board task: finalize liability agreement with FOSS4G 2016 committee

[Massimiliano Cannata]

Dear Suchith,
Dear all,
sorry to maybe be rough, but I would like to clearly express my vision of
the role of the BONN question and BOARD role to the whole community.

Maybe it is because i'm not native English speaker... but I'm working with
the Board as a team and this is why I sent my point of discussion.

*I have already stated that I'm going to approve the financial request from
BONN* so that they could proceed with the amazing work they are doing.

What I want is to pay attention on consequences of our decisions and our
transparent process of decision which in my opinion is NOT defined and
clear.
(next CHINA-like organizer may ask 100k euro more then 1 year in advance?
Why shall we decide of not giving the money? based on what rules or
principle?)

It may be a silly and tedious and unnecessary point of discussion for
someone but I believe the board role is to define rules and procedures that
make the participation to OSGeo at all level impartial, transparent, fair
and inclusive in the interest of OSGeo.

Also I gratefully thank the tireless work of conference committee and I
think it is great, really.
At the same time I feel that the board has the mandate (given by the
charter members who elect the members) to supervise and define strategies
and policies, not only to like or dislike a motion.

For this reason, I request that the OSGeo charter members express their
point of view on this topic (FOSS4G conferences) which I believe is
essential for our community:
- what is the maximum amount of money that could be asked for liability and
seed money?
- when is it possible to access to this resource? (before of the ending of
the previous conference, before of the budget report of the previous
conference?)
- shall this value be included in the proposal and be an element of
selection?
- shall the organizer earn money from the event? if yes, what percentage at
maximum?
- how OSGeo visibility shall be ensured and guaranteed?
and many many other question I think could be rised.

Some of these questions may already have an answer, some may not.
So why not to define the rules commonly in a discussion WORKING AS A TEAM
and not as an individuals?
THIS IS MY ONLY POINT AND AIM.


Best Regard,
Maxi







2015-10-06 10:54 GMT+02:00 Suchith Anand :

> Dear all,
>
> I am just an ordinary OSGeo member (not a Board member), and had been
> following these discussions on this over some weeks. I understand that lot
> of our experienced volunteers in the conference committee have put their
>  time and efforts going through the agreement for Bonn .As it is  approved
> by the whole OSGeo Conference Committee, we should have full confidence in
> the decision. My humble request to all is let us all think of how we can
> support the Bonn LOC so that we can ensure a successful FOSS4G conference
> in 2016. Esp. with time critical decisions , i request the Board to work as
> a team and make this possible. Thank you all for the amazing work you all
> do for OSGeo Board.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
>
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> *From:* board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on
> behalf of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2015 9:57 PM
> *To:* Massimiliano Cannata
> *Cc:* osgeo-board List
> *Subject:* Re: [Board] Board task: finalize liability agreement with
> FOSS4G 2016 committee
>
> Hi Maxi, all of your answers are in the original document link I
> provided.  If no objections I will call a vote for this on Thursday.  If
> you have objections, please meet with me on Thursday, I will work around
> your schedule.   We need to get this in place for the 2016 committee.
>
> As for 2017 and beyond, we will use the same document as a start, but each
> year brings new players to the table.
>
> -Jeff
>
> On Oct 5, 2015 5:44 PM, Massimiliano Cannata <
> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff
> I'm not blocking anything.
> I just want that a discussion in the board happen. Did you call a vote?
> Maybe i've missed it. You ask for a comment and i did it. I just want a
> discussion and to understand what is the point of view of people.. not just
> +1 or -1. I have motivated several time my view of things but not many
> comment was raised.
>
> I talked with Till in Seoul and i'm not blocking him and Bonn.
>
> So what is the decison? Are we going to give 100k euro for all the  coming
> events with 100K max liability? What is the % of revenue thay go back to
> osgeo? What are the obligations for organizers? Hosting the osgeo community
> meeting in the middle of the event with no other presentations or things
> going on? There is a maximum fee? Shall the conference pay for president
> flight and allowance?
>
> The document addressed this? This are to me the rules we need... and not
> just passing a motion and then the next year find out to be in the same
> situation
>
> Just my 1 cent of swiss franc ;-)
>
> maxi
> Il 05/Ott/2015 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geoforall intro slides

[Venkatesh Raghavan]

Hi Anita,

On 2015/10/07 6:38, Anita Graser wrote:

Hi,
Do we have any standard intro slides for geo4all? Planning to spread the
word here in Vienna.

http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2

Hope it is of use.

Best

Venka
rote:
   
   
 Hi,
Do we have any standard intro slides for geo4all? Planning to spread the
word here in Vienna.
   
   http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2
   
   Hope it is of use.
   
   Best
   
   Venka
 

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Standards] Lidar News magazine false statements on (L)GPL (Was REPORT: my OGC membership slot)

[Scott Simmons]

Cameron,

I’ll stay away from the legal opinions of open source - this is really outside 
my domain

As to the Point Cloud Domain Working Group, we held the first official meeting 
of the group a few weeks ago in Nottingham.  A couple of good developments:

1. The elected chairs come from a diversity of experience (commercial and 
academia) and are not limited to LiDAR expertise;
2. The group is starting to develop a list of potential actions to pursue.

A public wiki exists, but is only just now beginning to get populated.
http://external.opengis.org/twiki_public/PointCloudDWG/WebHome 


The group plans regular telecons - I’ll make sure to announce those to the 
OSGeo discussion list.

Best Regards,
Scott

> On Oct 4, 2015, at 9:34 PM, Cameron Shorter  wrote:
> 
> Hi Martin,
> Based on your description below, it appears that Lewis Graham is using 
> deliberate technical obfuscation under the banner of ASPRS, which is 
> tarnishing the technical credibility of ASPRS.
> 
> Oliver's detailed rebuttal is good, but is only valuable if a number of 
> people of influence who read and are swayed by the rebuttal.
> 
> Roland,
> I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on publishing a correction of facts, 
> as presented by Oliver (or similar)?
> Further, in future, you might find it helpful to consult with experts in Open 
> Standards prior to publishing, in order to:
> a. Correct facts before publishing, and hence provide a more credible 
> publication. We can put you in touch with appropriate experts.
> b. Provide a balanced article, with different opinions.
> Would you like us to help source contacts that you could call upon for an 
> opinion?
> 
> Martin,
> I hope we don't have to go as far as building upon our previous Open Letter, 
> which would effectively publicly discredit Lewis (again) and would tarnish 
> the reputation of Lewis/ASPRS and wouldn't look good for publications 
> presenting un-countered FUD.
> 
> Scott,
> I suspect the OGC might be interested in helping counter the FUD being 
> spread. Possibly by approaching offenders behind the scene and suggesting 
> they desist with the FUD, or by respectfully countering the FUD in public 
> forums. 
> 
> Martin, Scott,
> I'd be interested to hear how the OGC Point Cloud working group has been 
> progressing.
> Is positive progress being made?
> (Feel free to point at a blog or web page or similar which might already have 
> such details).
> 
> Warm regards,
> Cameron Shorter
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/10/2015 11:46 pm, Martin Isenburg wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I was hoping that Lewis Graham would see the futility of furthering his 
>> incorrect claims on the "dangers" of the LGPL license for commercial 
>> projects (and his other odd statements) but he continues to do so not just 
>> in private but also in his role as the Chair of the ASRPS LAS Working Group  
>> This gives his FUD non-sense a very prominent outlet in front of very 
>> influential people, so OSGeo should probably respond to this a bit more 
>> loudly than usual.
>> 
>> In the "LiDAR Sidebar" at the ASPRS UAS Reno conference [1] there was a 
>> discussion on point cloud formats that was more or less a direct consequence 
>> of the "Open Letter" by OSGeo [2]. Lewis continued to claim that it was 
>> impossible to make LASzip an official format because I would be unwilling to 
>> donated it under an MIT license to the ASPRS (note: i do not even remember 
>> being asked) and that an LGPL would be impossible and "dangerous" for 
>> commercial companies to work with (note: nevermind the 55+ companies that 
>> already do [3]).
>> 
>> So I emailed the participants (my dial-in connection was shakey) the 
>> following:
>> 
>> "Here a detailed rebuttal of Lewis' "LGPL of Martin's LASzip implementation 
>> is dangerous" non-sense:
>> http://odoepner.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/lidar-news-publishes-uninformed-gpl-rant/
>>  
>> 
>> And yes, the currently available open LASzip format implementation (!!!) 
>> comes with a "static linking exception" because some new devices do not 
>> support dynamic linking well. Would be good to get someone to sponsor the 
>> creation of an open LASzip format specification (!!!) so anyone can 
>> reimplement it and give their resulting implementation whatever license they 
>> see best fit. A license is only attached to a particular implementation. 
>> From an open LASzip format specification anyone could write their own 
>> implementation (closed or open with any license they want)."
>> 
>> To which Lewis answered (just repeating the same old FUD):
>> 
>> "Rather than entering into an inane debate over licensing with Martin, I 
>> suggest anyone who is concerned check with their intellectual property 
>> attorney prior to incorporating third party software into internal build 
>> software, regardless of 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Board task: finalize liability agreement with FOSS4G 2016 committee

[Suchith Anand]

Dear Maxi,

Thank you for your response and also pleased to know your support for the Bonn 
LOC request .

I am sure, the OSGeo Board, the Conference Committee, Charter members and the 
whole OSGeo community should discuss your queries and  fine-tune the process 
over the future.

In my humble opinion, as we have dedicated committees for different aspects 
(for example the Conference Committee), it makes sense that we make use of 
their expertise to find the best solution and as you rightfully said OSGeo 
Board should have oversight of the whole process to make sure whichever 
decision is adopted is in the longterm interest of OSGeo.

Thank you for your support and  contributions to the OSGeo Board and community.

Best wishes,

Suchith

PS: I am also not a native English speaker (trying to learn and improve as i go 
 ) so don't worry and i can understand :)


From: massimiliano.cann...@gmail.com [massimiliano.cann...@gmail.com] on behalf 
of Massimiliano Cannata [massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch]
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:49 AM
To: Suchith Anand; OSGeo Discussions
Cc: Jeff McKenna; osgeo-board List
Subject: Re: [Board] Board task: finalize liability agreement with FOSS4G 2016 
committee

Dear Suchith,
Dear all,
sorry to maybe be rough, but I would like to clearly express my vision of the 
role of the BONN question and BOARD role to the whole community.

Maybe it is because i'm not native English speaker... but I'm working with the 
Board as a team and this is why I sent my point of discussion.

I have already stated that I'm going to approve the financial request from BONN 
so that they could proceed with the amazing work they are doing.

What I want is to pay attention on consequences of our decisions and our 
transparent process of decision which in my opinion is NOT defined and clear.
(next CHINA-like organizer may ask 100k euro more then 1 year in advance? Why 
shall we decide of not giving the money? based on what rules or principle?)

It may be a silly and tedious and unnecessary point of discussion for someone 
but I believe the board role is to define rules and procedures that make the 
participation to OSGeo at all level impartial, transparent, fair and inclusive 
in the interest of OSGeo.

Also I gratefully thank the tireless work of conference committee and I think 
it is great, really.
At the same time I feel that the board has the mandate (given by the charter 
members who elect the members) to supervise and define strategies and policies, 
not only to like or dislike a motion.

For this reason, I request that the OSGeo charter members express their point 
of view on this topic (FOSS4G conferences) which I believe is essential for our 
community:
- what is the maximum amount of money that could be asked for liability and 
seed money?
- when is it possible to access to this resource? (before of the ending of the 
previous conference, before of the budget report of the previous conference?)
- shall this value be included in the proposal and be an element of selection?
- shall the organizer earn money from the event? if yes, what percentage at 
maximum?
- how OSGeo visibility shall be ensured and guaranteed?
and many many other question I think could be rised.

Some of these questions may already have an answer, some may not.
So why not to define the rules commonly in a discussion WORKING AS A TEAM and 
not as an individuals?
THIS IS MY ONLY POINT AND AIM.


Best Regard,
Maxi







2015-10-06 10:54 GMT+02:00 Suchith Anand 
>:
Dear all,

I am just an ordinary OSGeo member (not a Board member), and had been following 
these discussions on this over some weeks. I understand that lot of our 
experienced volunteers in the conference committee have put their  time and 
efforts going through the agreement for Bonn .As it is  approved by the whole 
OSGeo Conference Committee, we should have full confidence in the decision. My 
humble request to all is let us all think of how we can support the Bonn LOC so 
that we can ensure a successful FOSS4G conference in 2016. Esp. with time 
critical decisions , i request the Board to work as a team and make this 
possible. Thank you all for the amazing work you all do for OSGeo Board.

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
[board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf 
of Jeff McKenna 
[jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com]
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 9:57 PM
To: Massimiliano Cannata
Cc: osgeo-board List
Subject: Re: [Board] Board task: finalize liability agreement with FOSS4G 2016 
committee


Hi Maxi, all of your answers are in the original document link I provided.  If 
no objections I will call a vote for this on Thursday.  If you have objections, 
please meet with me on Thursday, I will work 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Andy Anderson]

Acronyms don’t usually include prepositions, at least in English. Including 2 
and 4 is definitely computerese, something that helps separate words that can’t 
have spaces between them as in command-line Unix, e.g. shp2kml. But I don’t see 
a need for it here, especially if we want to reach out to nontechnical groups.

No matter what the acronym won’t translate into other languages.

SLFAG, anyone?

— Andy

On Oct 6, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Dan Ames 
> wrote:

+1 4 this comment: "a cool thing 2 do ten years ago"

Actually from an international point of view - and as OSGeo grows - I would 
think that the 4 in FOSS4G raises more questions than answers since the number 
4 and the word "for" are only homonyms in English as far as I know. The German 
words für and vier don't sound much a like and neither do the Dutch words  voor 
and vier. And those are probably the closest matches. So maybe it's a bit 
Anglo-centric to 4ce the 4 on people. For example, "for" in Japanese, ための, 
sounds nothing at all like "4" in Japanese which to me sounds like "yum".

Similarly, I doubt the Chinese pet shop, "52 Pets" would internationalize very 
well.  By the way, does anyone know why 6 was afraid of 7? I suspect a lot of 
people don't, just like I had no idea why my Thai colleague kept texting me 
555... But FOSS4G is an established brand now and brands are hard to build and 
keep. So +1 for pressing forward with FOSS-yum-G...?


On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:24 AM Randal Hale 
> wrote:
I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. I will bring some fuel - diesel 
in honor of the largest car manufacturing plant near me (Volkswagen)

It would strengthen the brand of OSGEO with a conference named the same. There 
seems to be a fairly large disconnect right now with the FOSS4GNA conference 
and OSGEO. That needs to be much tighter.

Although I'm a bit of a stickler with Free and Open Source - I like the idea of 
going OSGeo - because that's what I do (at least in my case) - I use GIS and I 
do it with free and open source tools.

+11 on having to explain foss4g and then dragging osgeo into it.

Lets go one step further and talk to the Geo4all folks into saying osgeo4all.

Randy


On 10/06/2015 11:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:

Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
here goes...

Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?

Cons:

 1. FOSS4G is an established brand

 2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both.

Counters to those:

 1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.

 2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?

Pros:

 1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.

 2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
years ago, but not now :)

 3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.

 4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
becomes moot.

 5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
acronym to remember.

[I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
but that might be a bit too much :)]

So, this is the discuss list, discuss.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Dan Ames]

+1 4 this comment: "a cool thing 2 do ten years ago"

Actually from an international point of view - and as OSGeo grows - I would
think that the 4 in FOSS4G raises more questions than answers since the
number 4 and the word "for" are only homonyms in English as far as I know.
The German words für and vier don't sound much a like and neither do the
Dutch words  voor and vier. And those are probably the closest matches. So
maybe it's a bit Anglo-centric to 4ce the 4 on people. For example, "for"
in Japanese, ための, sounds nothing at all like "4" in Japanese which to me
sounds like "yum".

Similarly, I doubt the Chinese pet shop, "52 Pets" would internationalize
very well.  By the way, does anyone know why 6 was afraid of 7? I suspect a
lot of people don't, just like I had no idea why my Thai colleague kept
texting me 555... But FOSS4G is an established brand now and brands are
hard to build and keep. So +1 for pressing forward with FOSS-yum-G...?


On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:24 AM Randal Hale 
wrote:

> I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. I will bring some fuel -
> diesel in honor of the largest car manufacturing plant near me (Volkswagen)
>
> It would strengthen the brand of OSGEO with a conference named the same.
> There seems to be a fairly large disconnect right now with the FOSS4GNA
> conference and OSGEO. That needs to be much tighter.
>
> Although I'm a bit of a stickler with Free and Open Source - I like the
> idea of going OS*Geo - *because that's what I do (at least in my case) -
> I use GIS and I do it with free and open source tools.
>
> +11 on having to explain foss4g and then dragging osgeo into it.
>
> Lets go one step further and talk to the Geo4all folks into saying
> osgeo4all.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 10/06/2015 11:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
>
> Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> here goes...
>
> Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
>
> Cons:
>
>  1. FOSS4G is an established brand
>
>  2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both.
>
> Counters to those:
>
>  1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
> have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.
>
>  2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?
>
> Pros:
>
>  1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.
>
>  2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
> years ago, but not now :)
>
>  3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.
>
>  4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
> discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
> becomes moot.
>
>  5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
> geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
> acronym to remember.
>
> [I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
> Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
> but that might be a bit too much :)]
>
> So, this is the discuss list, discuss.
>
> Barry
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Alex M]

On 10/06/2015 08:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
> Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> here goes...
> 
> Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
> 
> Cons:
> 
>  1. FOSS4G is an established brand
> 
>  2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both.
> 
> Counters to those:
> 
>  1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
> have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.
> 
>  2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?
> 
> Pros:
> 
>  1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.
> 
>  2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
> years ago, but not now :)
> 
>  3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.
> 
>  4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
> discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
> becomes moot.
> 
>  5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
> geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
> acronym to remember.
> 
> [I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
> Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
> but that might be a bit too much :)]
> 
> So, this is the discuss list, discuss.
> 
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Branding things to resolve:
Is OSGeo just a conference?

Sure Foss4g is a little weird, but would the general community what
these mean if they aren't part of the community already?
SXSW, PyCon, OSCon, AGU, AAG, etc...

If we rename, then the conference must be front and side by side on the
homepage/1st page of everything OSGeo does. Probably should be as is
anyways.

Do we alienate sponsors, or do they get that OSGeo is just the
organizer? Goes back to question 1 above.

I'm sure there's lots of other pros/cons. Seems the other threads about
what should OSGeo be in the next few years should probably be worked out
first.

-Alex

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Michael Gerlek]

+1

-mpg


> On Oct 6, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Dan Ames  wrote:
> 
> +1 4 this comment: "a cool thing 2 do ten years ago"
> 

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Paul Ramsey]

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson
 wrote:
> Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> here goes...
>
> Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?

Get off my lawn.

https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2006-September/30.html

So weary,
P.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 6 October 2015 at 17:48, Gert-Jan van der Weijden  wrote:
> If FOSS4G is meant to be an event exclusively organized by OSGeo then a
> rebrand to to OSGeo conference makes perfect sense.

Folks,

I'd like to remind us history of FOSS4G and its name:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G

FOSS4G was not born by, but it FOSS4G started independently.

FOSS4G is not a new conference, and its name is well-established.

IMO, any confuson is artificial.

Best regards,
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Barry Rowlingson]

Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
here goes...

Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?

Cons:

 1. FOSS4G is an established brand

 2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both.

Counters to those:

 1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.

 2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?

Pros:

 1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.

 2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
years ago, but not now :)

 3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.

 4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
becomes moot.

 5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
acronym to remember.

[I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
but that might be a bit too much :)]

So, this is the discuss list, discuss.

Barry
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Gert-Jan van der Weijden]

If FOSS4G is meant to be an event exclusively organized by OSGeo then  
a rebrand to to OSGeo conference makes perfect sense.
If -just as with FOSS4G-NA 2015- the conference is going to be a  
co-productin with one more other organisations (such as LocationTech  
then I'd keep the FOSS4G name.
To me this discussion is closely related to the discusison about the  
relationship/overlap between OSGeo and LocationTech.
How about putting this on the new Board's strategic agenda for the  
forthcoming year?



Regards,

GJ





Randal Hale  schreef:

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. I will bring some fuel  
- diesel in honor of the largest car manufacturing plant near me  
(Volkswagen)


It would strengthen the brand of OSGEO with a conference named the  
same. There seems to be a fairly large disconnect right now with the  
FOSS4GNA conference and OSGEO. That needs to be much tighter.


Although I'm a bit of a stickler with Free and Open Source - I like  
the idea of going OS*Geo - *because that's what I do (at least in my  
case) - I use GIS and I do it with free and open source tools.


+11 on having to explain foss4g and then dragging osgeo into it.

Lets go one step further and talk to the Geo4all folks into saying osgeo4all.

Randy

On 10/06/2015 11:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:

Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
here goes...

Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?

Cons:

 1. FOSS4G is an established brand

 2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both.

Counters to those:

 1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.

 2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?

Pros:

 1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.

 2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
years ago, but not now :)

 3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.

 4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
becomes moot.

 5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
acronym to remember.

[I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
but that might be a bit too much :)]

So, this is the discuss list, discuss.

Barry
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