Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Daniel Morissette]

Okay, this whole thread did not make sense to me until I digged further 
in the Google search link that was in the first email.


I think the page in question is this one:

http://www.osgeo.org/sponsors/autodesk

It is safe to say that it should be removed today since Autodesk are no 
longer sponsors. It is probably not linked from anywhere on the 
osgeo.org website anyway.


Daniel


On 2015-10-14 10:37 AM, Sandro Santilli wrote:

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:28:36AM -0300, Jeff McKenna wrote:


Again I am trying to read your tone in your e-mail.  I believe you
are now not questioning the accuracy of the list of sponsors on
http://www.osgeo.org/content/sponsorship/sponsors.html but I believe
you are now questioning that we/OSGeo can accept funds from private
companies (am I correct in reading your message?).


No, you're misreading it.
I'm very happy with OSGeo accepting funds from private companies.
Even proprietary software vendors.
But I'm not happy with OSGeo website containing advertisement
of proprietary software solutions.

Btw, at the time in which I wrote the mail, the sponsors page
was *empty*. Now it is not empty anymore, and I don't see AutoDesk
among the list of sponsors. Is the page correct now ?
I'm not sure this works, but the MD5 sum of the page I'm looking
at now is 786126e032bf302cd0900a8b58e228fc  sponsors.html

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Jeff McKenna]

On 2015-10-14 10:49 AM, Sandro Santilli wrote:


The tone was "suprised" and "disappointed".

Does advertising proprietary software solutions
on OSGeo website count as "championing" for its cause ?
I wouldn't expect that from my Open Source Compass.

Or am I being misleaded by the lack of info on the net about
the software names found on that osgeo page ?

--strk;



Hi Sandro,

Again I am trying to read your tone in your e-mail.  I believe you are 
now not questioning the accuracy of the list of sponsors on 
http://www.osgeo.org/content/sponsorship/sponsors.html but I believe you 
are now questioning that we/OSGeo can accept funds from private 
companies (am I correct in reading your message?).


OSGeo and its yearly event FOSS4G does accept funding from proprietary 
software companies, yes you are correct.  In fact, this is not written 
anywhere or spoken of, but the OSGeo foundation was originally provided 
a large amount of funding from Autodesk back in 2006, to help create the 
foundation (I believe that funding was renewed for several years after 
2006 as well).  We/OSGeo actually owe a lot to the vision and 
helpfulness of Autodesk, from those early actions (quite similar to how 
the OGC was formed out of the GRASS foundation, in a way).


So, if you're looking to get into a big discussion on accepting money 
from proprietary software companies, we must first look into the mirror 
and realize where we came from.


Regarding your disappointed reaction, again I will say that you can dive 
in and help if you wish, help attracting sponsors for the OSGeo 
foundation (this is what I meant by "championing").


-jeff





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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 14 October 2015 at 16:20, Barry Rowlingson
 wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
>
>> The tone was "suprised" and "disappointed".
>>
>> Does advertising proprietary software solutions
>> on OSGeo website count as "championing" for its cause ?
>> I wouldn't expect that from my Open Source Compass.
>>
>> Or am I being misleaded by the lack of info on the net about
>> the software names found on that osgeo page ?
>
>  Proprietary software companies are big users of open source geo. Many
> of them give back in different ways - some by developing open source
> software alongside their proprietary code, some by patching and
> contributing to community projects, and some by throwing money at us
> [1].

Yes, indeed.

It may be also worth to observe the differences between FOSS vs OSS,
and that there is no mention of "Free" on the http://www.osgeo.org front page.
Please, notice there is OSI, not FSF, logo on
http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Daniel Morissette]

On 2015-10-14 11:34 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:



Thanks Daniel.  Also, you likely saw in your inbox this morning that
Mike/Treasurer was asking questions about how to manage the sponsors;
please if you have time can you answer him about that?  I think he's
trying to understand who is a current sponsor and who is not, and
looking for those records.  I hope we can inform the new OSGeo Board of
this tomorrow.



For the record, I have replied to this email off-list to Mike/Jeff with 
all the details and I believe they will discuss this with the new board 
to update/correct the sponsorship situation.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Sandro Santilli]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:28:36AM -0300, Jeff McKenna wrote:

> Again I am trying to read your tone in your e-mail.  I believe you
> are now not questioning the accuracy of the list of sponsors on
> http://www.osgeo.org/content/sponsorship/sponsors.html but I believe
> you are now questioning that we/OSGeo can accept funds from private
> companies (am I correct in reading your message?).

No, you're misreading it.
I'm very happy with OSGeo accepting funds from private companies.
Even proprietary software vendors.
But I'm not happy with OSGeo website containing advertisement
of proprietary software solutions.

Btw, at the time in which I wrote the mail, the sponsors page
was *empty*. Now it is not empty anymore, and I don't see AutoDesk
among the list of sponsors. Is the page correct now ?
I'm not sure this works, but the MD5 sum of the page I'm looking
at now is 786126e032bf302cd0900a8b58e228fc  sponsors.html

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Jeff McKenna]

On 2015-10-14 12:16 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote:

Okay, this whole thread did not make sense to me until I digged further
in the Google search link that was in the first email.

I think the page in question is this one:

http://www.osgeo.org/sponsors/autodesk

It is safe to say that it should be removed today since Autodesk are no
longer sponsors. It is probably not linked from anywhere on the
osgeo.org website anyway.

Daniel

Thanks Daniel.  Also, you likely saw in your inbox this morning that 
Mike/Treasurer was asking questions about how to manage the sponsors; 
please if you have time can you answer him about that?  I think he's 
trying to understand who is a current sponsor and who is not, and 
looking for those records.  I hope we can inform the new OSGeo Board of 
this tomorrow.


Merci!

-jeff






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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Sandro Santilli]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 03:20:43PM +0100, Barry Rowlingson wrote:

>  As long as they obey the license terms, I don't think OSGeo should
> worry about taking money from PropGeo Corp. OSGeo does not suffer from
> Stallmania, an uncontrollable urge to insist all software should be
> free.

I'm not worrying about taking money from AutoDesk.
On the contrary, I saw an empty sponsors page and a page
advertising proprietary software.

So, are they still paying ? And is it fine by OSGeo policy to
advertise (by means of linking to, from its website) proprietary
software ? Because I read from the "about" page [1] that one of the
goals is "to promote the use of open source software".

[1] http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Barry Rowlingson]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:

> The tone was "suprised" and "disappointed".
>
> Does advertising proprietary software solutions
> on OSGeo website count as "championing" for its cause ?
> I wouldn't expect that from my Open Source Compass.
>
> Or am I being misleaded by the lack of info on the net about
> the software names found on that osgeo page ?

 Proprietary software companies are big users of open source geo. Many
of them give back in different ways - some by developing open source
software alongside their proprietary code, some by patching and
contributing to community projects, and some by throwing money at us
[1].

 As long as they obey the license terms, I don't think OSGeo should
worry about taking money from PropGeo Corp. OSGeo does not suffer from
Stallmania, an uncontrollable urge to insist all software should be
free.

Barry

[1] and some (no names) by releasing code that needs their proprietary
code to work anyway, we call this "open-washing"...
http://opensource.com/business/14/12/openwashing-more-prevalent
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Andy Anderson]

Of course [1] is one reason why Stallman implemented the copyleft requirement:

http://opensource.org/faq#copyleft

— Andy

On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Barry Rowlingson  
wrote:

> As long as they obey the license terms, I don't think OSGeo should
> worry about taking money from PropGeo Corp. OSGeo does not suffer from
> Stallmania, an uncontrollable urge to insist all software should be
> free.
> 
> Barry
> 
> [1] and some (no names) by releasing code that needs their proprietary
> code to work anyway, we call this "open-washing"...
> http://opensource.com/business/14/12/openwashing-more-prevalent

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Alex Mandel]

On 10/14/2015 03:07 AM, Sandro Santilli wrote:
> Are there no more sponsors for OSGeo, or is the sponsors page broken ?
> http://www.osgeo.org/sponsors
> 
> If you ask google, it gives big visibility to AutoDesk as a sponsor:
> https://www.google.it/search?q=osgeo+sponsors
> Taking you to a page (hosted by osgeo) with many links back to proprietary
> software solutions (all links seem broken right now).
> 
> Is there a policy defined about which outgoing links are or aren't
> accepted on the OSGeo website ?
> 
> --strk; 


To clarify, part of the confusion appears to be that if you google
search: osgeo sponsors

The site links presented by google include 3 results under osgeo.org,
one of which is to http://www.osgeo.org/sponsors/autodesk

No other sponsor appears to get their own subpage on osgeo.org (only
links). Since it doesn't appear that Autodesk is a current sponsor
(someone feel free to correct me), and all sponsors should get similar
treatment, I have disabled the page in question from public viewing.
Hopefully it will vanish from google at some point.

Do we have a google analytics account? If so we have some control over
these sitelinks.
http://www.relishtraymedia.com/blog/bid/257788/SEO-Sitelinks-How-to-Get-Google-Subheadings-in-Search-Results

Forwarding to SAC to look into generating a more useful sitemap.xml and
tinkering with Sitelinks.

Thanks,
Alex


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[OSGeo-Discuss] GSoC 2016 announced!

[Margherita Di Leo]

Dear OSGeo Community,

we are pleased to inform you that Google has announced GSoC 2016 [1,2].
In case OSGeo gets accepted as mentoring organisation, we (madi[3])
are considering to admin also this year. If there are more volunteers, this
is the right time to show up and contact us, this list, or the dedicated
soc list [4] before February, 2016. See the timeline here [5].

Looking forward for another successful open geospatial GSoC!

Best regards,
Anne and Madi


[1]
http://google-opensource.blogspot.it/2015/10/dozen-of-one-half-dozen-of-other-6th_13.html
[2] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/
[3]
http://www.thirteen.org/files/2014/02/sherlock_season_3_episode_3_featured_512x288.jpg
[4] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/soc
[5] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Branding FOSS4G

[Dirk Frigne]

@board:

Maybe OSGeo should take action to protect it. It is not because OSGeo is
an open and inclusive organisation, where membership is free as all the
products, tools and libraries, that we shouldn't protect these valuable
assets.
It is better to protect and grant the use to other organisations, if
they subscribe the values OSGeo is promoting.

my 2c

Dirk



On 13-10-15 14:18, Andy Anderson wrote:
> Slightly different topic: brand names are usually protected by trademark; I 
> don’t see that FOSS4G is in the US trademark system:
> 
>   http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss=4801:p4nq75.1.1
> 
> Should it be? Could it be, or is there already too much non-OSGeo use? For 
> that matter, I don’t see OSGeo there, either.
> 
> If brands aren’t protected, they could be used / co-opted by other 
> organizations / corporations.
> 
> — Andy
> 
> On Oct 13, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Dirk Frigne  wrote:
> 
>> +1
>>
>> OSGeo is The organisation to support the collaborative development of
>> open source geospatial software, and promote its widespread use. [1]
>>
>> To promote its widespread use OSGeo started, amongst other things, to
>> organise a yearly conference. Today, there is the global conference, and
>> a lot of local conferences, almost every month, somewhere in the world.
>>
>> FOSS4G is the name of The OSGeo Conference.
>> FOSS4G is an *important* brand of OSGeo.
>> Local conferences have derived names like FOSS4G Europe, FOSS4G North
>> America, FOSS4G.be, FOSSGIS ...
>>
>> My 2c
>>
>> [1] http://www.osgeo.org/about
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FORMHub

[Franz-Josef Behr]

Dear Ravi,

what are the requirements for a website to host any successor for Fonhub?

Regards - Franz-Josef
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Jeff McKenna]

Hi Sandro,

I am trying to understand your tone of your e-mail, but I think you are 
asking if the sponsors page is accurate/uptodate.  This is a good 
question.  I will ask the OSGeo Treasurer for an accurate list of 
sponsors, and I will update that page.


On a bigger picture, OSGeo is always looking for champions, and if 
anyone is interested in contacting sponsors to help OSGeo grow please 
let us know.  It is a role that has never come naturally to OSGeo 
members since the start of the foundation, but one that is very important.


This is also a good topic for the new OSGeo Board, at our first meeting 
tomorrow.  Thanks for bringing this to our attention.


-jeff




On 2015-10-14 7:07 AM, Sandro Santilli wrote:

Are there no more sponsors for OSGeo, or is the sponsors page broken ?
http://www.osgeo.org/sponsors

If you ask google, it gives big visibility to AutoDesk as a sponsor:
https://www.google.it/search?q=osgeo+sponsors
Taking you to a page (hosted by osgeo) with many links back to proprietary
software solutions (all links seem broken right now).

Is there a policy defined about which outgoing links are or aren't
accepted on the OSGeo website ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Sandro Santilli]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 08:52:14AM -0300, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> Hi Sandro,
> 
> I am trying to understand your tone of your e-mail, but I think you
> are asking if the sponsors page is accurate/uptodate.  This is a
> good question.  I will ask the OSGeo Treasurer for an accurate list
> of sponsors, and I will update that page.

Thanks, that might help better understanding what's going on.

> On a bigger picture, OSGeo is always looking for champions, and if
> anyone is interested in contacting sponsors to help OSGeo grow
> please let us know.  It is a role that has never come naturally to
> OSGeo members since the start of the foundation, but one that is
> very important.

The tone was "suprised" and "disappointed".

Does advertising proprietary software solutions
on OSGeo website count as "championing" for its cause ?
I wouldn't expect that from my Open Source Compass.

Or am I being misleaded by the lack of info on the net about
the software names found on that osgeo page ?

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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Sandro Santilli]

Are there no more sponsors for OSGeo, or is the sponsors page broken ?
http://www.osgeo.org/sponsors

If you ask google, it gives big visibility to AutoDesk as a sponsor:
https://www.google.it/search?q=osgeo+sponsors
Taking you to a page (hosted by osgeo) with many links back to proprietary
software solutions (all links seem broken right now).

Is there a policy defined about which outgoing links are or aren't
accepted on the OSGeo website ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

[Vaclav Petras]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Mateusz Loskot  wrote:
>
> It may be also worth to observe the differences between FOSS vs OSS,
> and that there is no mention of "Free" on the http://www.osgeo.org front
page.
> Please, notice there is OSI, not FSF, logo on
> http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Andy Anderson 
wrote:
>
> Of course [1] is one reason why Stallman implemented the copyleft
requirement:
>
> http://opensource.org/faq#copyleft
>
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Barry Rowlingson <
b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > As long as they obey the license terms, I don't think OSGeo should
> > worry about taking money from PropGeo Corp. OSGeo does not suffer from
> > Stallmania, an uncontrollable urge to insist all software should be
> > free.
> >
> > [1] and some (no names) by releasing code that needs their proprietary
> > code to work anyway, we call this "open-washing"...
> > http://opensource.com/business/14/12/openwashing-more-prevalent

We are going little bit off topic here, but as I see it, it is a part of
the "being open source compass" to inform users about things such as what
open means, why proprietary software companies contribute, what copyleft
means for developers and what for users, why this open source based cloud
is not for free, and why this open source plugin to my open source software
needs this proprietary and paid software to actually work.

Vaclav
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